Come anticipate "The Dark Knight Rises" with *BATSPOILERS*

sorry i guess i could wiki but those are so goddam long for comic book shits

the pain mask thing was always part of it iirc and a reason he was so unstoppable

he didn't have the pain thing in the comics. He had pipes that injected "Venom" directly into his bloodstream which made him super strong. He's also super intelligent

Yeah, he had a super-roid but it had nothing to do with the mask

Also, I never cease to be amazed that someone looked at that cover and thought "yup, this is a great cover image, send it to press!"

this is embarrassing, but i think a missed a key plot point or simply didn't understand what Bane was saying but....can anyone tell me what Bane's whole idea was with not just blowing up Gotham right away?

He (and Talia) were self-indulgent and wanted to see Batman/Bruce Wayne and his city suffer?

The way he pitches it to Batman in prison is that it's all about fucking with Batman's head and confronting him with his failure and so on. (Should have put the TV behind Plexiglas, I guess.) Seems like a lot of trouble to go to, especially if he wasn't going to bother keeping closer tabs on the prison to see if it was all going according to plan. It's odd, anyway, since R'as himself didn't feel the need to drag out Gotham's suffering so much, and their whole MO seems to be just to pick up where he left off.

Well, and Talia pretty much says that she wanted to finish her father's quest AND take revenge on Batman for killing him.

sorry i guess i could wiki but those are so goddam long for comic book shits

― goole, Wednesday, July 25, 2012 2:22 PM (19 minutes ago) Bookmark

theres a really comprehensive link like 5 posts above u

oh ok. yeah i kinda get it as basically a ploy to show how Gotham isn't worth redeeming because they'll just lay down to Bane?

bane is the guy on the beach kicking sand in weakling batman's face

talia is the hot girl who chooses him over batman

i read the wiki anyway :/ :)

ok yeah yeah not a mask but a super-roid, though i thought it made him able to ignore pain berserker-style?

assuming Alfred isn't hallucinating/dreaming.

Ha - that was what I wondered too after seeing it the first time. Just seen it again and this time I caught the thing with Fox finding out that Bruce fixed the autopilot so woo, that's how Batman escapes.

Liked it as much on second viewing. Particularly like the way it's not clear what's best when it comes to "letting the truth have its day". I like that it's Bane who gets to be the one who reads Commissioner Gordon's speech about Two-Face. And I like that by the end, as Bane looks up at Bruce like a wounded Caliban, the whole League of Shadows seems pretty noble.

that's a nice read on it. it's funny how one emergent theme of the whole series seems to be Batman constantly dissembling in order for Gotham to hold itself together--even his need to be an inspirational Symbol by faking his death. it's a dark idea.

it's a weird idea, and one of the things i disliked most about TDK

i think there's a nihilistic strain to Nolan's movies. The Prestige, TDK, and Memento at least since to hint at something unbearably empty--"the world is miserable, solid all the way though" or something like that is said in The Prestige. it's like there's this mocking minor key in the Batman movies that Batman himself is a bit of a phony, someone who can't or won't face the truth.

it's kinda always what's compelling about a lot of superhero movies...especially these. The villains are always so much more aesthetically pure and Batman is always compromised.

to what extent does Nolan endorse the nihilism?

it's funny how one emergent theme of the whole series seems to be Batman constantly dissembling in order for Gotham to hold itself together--even his need to be an inspirational Symbol by faking his death. it's a dark idea.

Yes. The viewer is led to identify with Alfred's "stop trying to outsmart the truth" (and maybe Blake castigating Gordon too) and think that's going to be the lesson of the film, but then, well the truth never does really have its day.

Thinking about The Tempest, Miranda and Caliban on the island is not altogether unlike Miranda and Bane in the pit.

Memento's totally not nihilist, lol

It's been a while since I've seen it! I just remember him "choosing" the lie he'd constructed for himself at the end.

Memento is a movie about a guy who becomes a serial killer to deal with the fact his memoryless life has no purpose. He just programs himself to "avenge" his wife, no other goals.

I'd like to see someone review the 1st two Burton Batman's with Nolan-esque airmchair psychology/internet philosophizing.

internet philosophizing > nolan's philosophizing

That campy tone would be out of place for the new series. I've heard about other villians, not Riddler. Can't recall their names now. . . Dark Mask, maybe? Something about a mask melted onto the villian's face.

― Daniel, Esq., Friday, 24 July 2009 19:59 (3 years ago) Bookmark

I love the way this reads now. You want Batman to pop up and say "I'll look into it".

Nothing campy about a grown man dressed as a bat.

I did a great job avoiding anything written about this, including this thread. Saw it tonight, though it a slack slog, borderline incoherent at times, all portent and no purpose. I barely have the energy to complain, but my biggest problems were its totally chaotic sense of geography, Joseph Gordon Levitt as more impossibly ubiquitous than Batman, the fact that it telegraphed every last Chekhov's gun twist and turn so that the whole movie felt redundant in real time, and ... eh, why bother. I may have even enjoyed "Inception" more than this. Now that Nolan has got this out of his system and the franchise will move on to some hack like Len Wiseman, Louis Leterrier or McG, I hope he never makes another action movie again.

Things I liked: this may be the only action movie other than "True Lies" to actually detonate a nuclear bomb, though of course that movie went on a good 20 minutes more afterwards. I also liked the I recognized like 50 actors in this, including a bunch of walk-on day players. They really went all out putting the b-listers to work.

Shit, after reading this thread maybe we can all agree on Nolan being a genius just for getting people that hate his films to pay and see every single one he makes.

lol

I've loved all his non-action flicks, and I liked "The Dark Knight" a lot.

That wasn't aimed at you in particular, Josh, just seems like so many people itt have really strong negative reactions to his films, but keep on seeing the new ones. Granted, more than a few in here get paid to do so, but not that many.

tbf, I don't remembering getting any real negative "Nolan!!!!!" vibes until after "Inception."

Something I've always wanted to know: actors makes a big deal about bulking up for roles, going on these crazy weight gain and exercise regiments. But how long does it take someone like Hardy to deflate again for normal roles after they've bulked up? Do they just do nothing and let nature take its course?

That wasn't aimed at you in particular, Josh, just seems like so many people itt have really strong negative reactions to his films, but keep on seeing the new ones. Granted, more than a few in here get paid to do so, but not that many.

i keep thinking things'll be different, also TDK had some bright spots, etc, also it is one of the two biggest movies of the year and everyone in the world will be talking about it, also general curiosity/nolan's movies look pretty and have impressive explosions, also f u

xp I would guess so, just because the intense regimen it takes to keep up that body probably conflicts with work schedules that don't require the build

atom bombs get exploded in hard target, sucker punch, aliens...

Anyway, you know you wanted it

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RqJDLzIXDps

is it brostep?

Well, Aliens was a reactor going critical - so, yknow, kind've like a bomb but not exactly.

aliens = an explosion at a nuclear plant, I thought?

Woah woah, woah, you're right. The whole station was basically a nuclear reactor, right? So you're talking about a thermonuclear explosion and "Adios, Muchachos."

I also liked the I recognized like 50 actors in this, including a bunch of walk-on day players. They really went all out putting the b-listers to work.

― Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, July 25, 2012 11:40 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark

one thing i do love about nolan is that he fills his movies with 80s has-beens just because he can

There's a nuke in "Hard Target?" Or "Broken Arrow?"

I should say, then, that it features a bomb going off in a population center set in the ostensibly real world. Regardless, I find it the most glaring of excesses. There are entire movies built around the aftermath of nuclear explosions. In this movie, it's just another thing that blows up. Then life goes on, la la la.

xpost I even recognized the Asian antagonist from "Drag Me to Hell" in a one-liner.

Mayor from The Wire, I recognized the cop who brought cat woman to jail, the villain who made the dudes walk across the ice ...

broken arrow's entire plot is about a rogue nuke

Yeah, but does it blow up?