2008 USP(G)ET pt. II: counting the days to 2012 primary thread 1

Palin says she'll bring accountability back to DC by putting the Congressional checkbook online.

Obama, uh, did that already.

>Rape Kits Should Be Free

if you dont know the story behind this on, it's a bit off-putting

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I like this photo(s):

http://d.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/ap/20080909/capt.c785d9beb8ae4c32b76fbcf80b474455.obama_2008_micc118.jpg?x=400&y=284&q=85&sig=.VUBw_GBoUeWOg7GtwQv7Q--

http://d.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/ap/20080909/capt.e1c7d550608243a19de036f333be9834.obama_2008_micc119.jpg?x=400&y=324&q=85&sig=j6WLGoEprD3MNwHqSAxk2g--

http://img401.imageshack.us/img401/2339/z37086955vo1.jpg

Also, I attended a "Military Families for Obama" event/talk/whatever tonight at the Obama HQ in SE portland, where they had Gen. Tony McPeak, one of the co-chairs of the national campaign, along with other Oregon & Portland Metro speakers. It was a very emotional night, to be sure, but one of the speakers pointed out that one of the very few things that can overcome all the fear bullshit being spread around now is anger.

It's my hope that anger is becomes one of the motivating factors(expressed or not) in getting folks out to do something in the next 40-odd days. We've been so betrayed by these jackholes who've let things get so, SO fucked, that hopefully those rumblings will carry forth.

meanwhile

[...]"Sen. McCain bragged about how as chairman of the Commerce Committee in the Senate, he had oversight of every part of the economy. Well, all I can say to Sen. McCain is, 'Nice job. Nice job,'" Obama said at a rally at a baseball stadium in Las Vegas. "Where is he getting these lines? The lobbyists running his campaign?"

Obama later added: "I'm not making this up, you can't make this up. It's like a 'Saturday Night Live' routine."

The feistier, more sarcastic tone came as worried Democrats urged Obama to get tougher and show more passion. Obama has tried to assure donors and voters that he's been schooled by Chicago politics.

"I'm skinny but I'm tough," he says...

The Drudge pull quote was OBAMA TELLS SUPPORTERS "GET ANGRY, GET IN THEIR FACES"

Why do people (I mean real people, not strawmen - people who chat with me) still believe tax breaks for the wealthy help stimulate the economy? Is there any evidence that this is true?

Basically:

hordes of lines from the Democrat-affiliated booths
completely empty Republican-affiliated booths
legions of Obama pins and t-shirts
fewer than 20 McCain pins and t-shirts
award-winning seed art featuring elephants shitting and pissing on the Constitution, elephants merrily dancing off of a cliff, Obama cleaning up piles of elephant shit
an award-winning scarecrow of W holding a sign that said "MISSION BUNGLED"
It was pretty overwhelming.

OK so this isn't presidential but this is some MN state fair award winning anti-GOP seed art

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3076/2801056162_946d42471b.jpg

Seriously, are we living in a didactic morality play? Are we really presented with the choice between a person whose identity is defined by his time as a bomber in an American war of imperial aggression and a guy with a “Muslim” name who wears centuries of America’s violent racial oppression on his skin? Are you fucking serious?

http://zunguzungu.wordpress.com/2008/09/15/death-and-american-spectacles-take-three/

I mean real people, not strawmen - people who chat with me

lol

Palin/MyCane in bloody MN today. WHAT?

Hey, the Powerline guys wanted their rapture, they'll get it.

Haha they are going to Blaine. Blaine, people.

http://www.ci.blaine.mn.us/

http://www.northerntool.com/images/stores/storeimages/Blaine_MN.jpg

This actually makes me very happy.

http://www.blainehistory.org/images/hyattweb1.jpg

Why do people (I mean real people, not strawmen - people who chat with me) still believe tax breaks for the wealthy help stimulate the economy? Is there any evidence that this is true?

i don't know that there is any evidence to this; if you think people are naturally good and not motivated by greed it seems like a sound philosophy. unfortunately the people that believe in this economic philosophy seem to be more motivated by greed than anything else so in practice it doesn't seem to work.

It's called supply-side or Reaganomics, and it tends to fail every single time they try it.

yeah I know what it is. I'm just saying I understand, on one level, the reason why people would think it would work. sadly corporations are more interested in amassing wealth for themselves then helping out workers. it would be nice if this could be changed in some way.

anyway, with this new bailout proposed ("hundreds of billions of dollars") doesn't this mean that the bush tax cuts HAVE to go away? how the fuck are they going to pay for anything? this negates McCain's policies, doesn't it?

WAHT WHY ARE PALIN/MCBANE TALKING TO BLAINE THE MONO

LOL

The idea isn't that corporations will voluntarily share their largesse in the form of higher salaries or charitable donations or public works. The idea is literally that lower taxes equals more tax revenue for the government. The weird logic is that lower taxes on corporations leads to higher economic growth, which leads to corporations making lots more money than they would have otherwise, which leads to more money for the government even at the lower rate. I don't know if there's any evidence that this actually works, or has ever worked in the past. It might if there were no tax loopholes?

LOL curve

^^ high concept, i like it

http://politicalwire.com/archives/2008/09/19/ia_poll_obama_leads_in_colorado_mccain_ahead_in_virginia.html
http://politicalwire.com/archives/2008/09/19/arg_poll_mccain_ahead_in_indiana.html

or should i say i LAFFed

xp

Haha they are going to Blaine. Blaine, people.

― suzy, Friday, September 19, 2008 9:17 AM (35 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

If you mix up the letters in the word "Blaine," mix 'em around, eventually, you'll come up with Nebali. Nebali. The name of a planet in a galaxy way, way, way... way far away.

omg blaine is real?

omg!

for a moment I thought he'd returned:

http://www.gutenberg.org/files/13955/13955-h/images/006.jpg

apropos of nothing, I was surprised to learn that my in-law in the secret service (served in Bosnia, spent several years doing security detail for Condi and other state dept officials, currently serving a volunteered tour of duty in Iraq) is for Obama. He was very excited when Obama visited Iraq and he got to be on his security team.

and not only that but he had "been a big fan of his since he was in the state senate"

get that man on television!

The idea is literally that lower taxes equals more tax revenue for the government.

That should be the idea, but the focus tends to be on the idea that higher tax equals less revenue for everybody everywhere, which is hysterical. Supply-siders tend to always talk about tax like it's nailed at the 100% end of the curve, when in fact the tax rate is almost always lower than even Mr. Laffer would recommend as optimal. But he was wrong, anyway. People don't stop working and innovating and driving the economy because you tax them. They only to that if you oppress them.

yeah, yeah, I know... Americans don't know the difference.

http://politicalwire.com/archives/2008/09/19/marist_ohio_tied_obama_leads_in_michigan_pennsylvania.html

The news that Republican vice presidential candidate Sarah Palin will finally give her first television interview since John McCain tapped her as his running mate over a week ago has prompted many to ask, "What questions would you ask Sarah Palin?"

I would ask Gov. Palin, "Exactly how will you work across party lines and with our global allies to address the growing MILF problem?"

I would then ask her if she knows that the Moro Islamic Liberation Front (MILF) is the largest Muslim rebel group in the southern Philippines and that members of the MILF help train Indonesians connected to Jema'ah Islamiah (JI), the group accused of carrying out the 2002 Bali bombing.

And that over 1,000 US troops are currently in the southern Philippines for military exercises.

I have never believed MI would go for McCain. xp

IN THE BAG!

Ok buying a t-shirt on the internet is lame, I know this, but still.

http://us.st12.yimg.com/us.st.yimg.com/I/stylinonline_2017_199542751

who the hell is that?

airbrushed at the fulton mall?

That's Obama if he were part of the JLA and drawn by Alex Ross.

I like the black velvet painting vibe. Though it's still not as good as

http://slog.thestranger.com/files/2008/05/obama420.jpg

that football poll matches what I predicted as the final popular vote

trackers
Gallup - 49-44
R2000 - 49-42
Rasmussen - 48-48

http://politicalwire.com/archives/2008/09/19/palins_favorability_ratings_tumble.html