IOC shot down proposal to hold 1 minute of silence for the Israeli victims of the 1972 Munich terror attacks. 40 year anniversary, 10th anniversary game-wise... The Olympic Committee makes a lot of stupid decision but there's a lot of people saying its antisemitism that's the real reason they won't do the minute of silence. Then again the people making this argument are saying it in articles like this and I'm not sure what to think:
http://www.tabletmag.com/jewish-news-and-politics/106409/jewish-blood-is-cheap
― Ring brother, ring for me! (Viceroy), Tuesday, 17 July 2012 23:21 (10 months ago) Permalink
can't say I really give a shit
― the alternate vision continues his vision quest! (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 17 July 2012 23:25 (10 months ago) Permalink
well thanks for posting then!
― Ring brother, ring for me! (Viceroy), Tuesday, 17 July 2012 23:30 (10 months ago) Permalink
I don't know if I'd say "antisemitism" but there's a good chance there's arab-israeli-euroleft politics in there and a smidgen of cravenness as well.
― Will Chave (Hurting 2), Tuesday, 17 July 2012 23:33 (10 months ago) Permalink
yeah, the salivating of both sides to jump on it as proof of their point is so depressing that i'm not even going to click a story on it.
― bnw, Wednesday, 18 July 2012 00:12 (10 months ago) Permalink
yeah the comment thread is quite the echo chamber of sanctimony and indignance, as you might expect. I think they should have the moment of silence though. I mean it has to be one of the scariest, worst, most tragic thing that ever happened to an olympic games. I mean what about making secondary that it was Israelis and remembering that olympic athletes were killed -- that's the kind of spirit the olympics ought to have, I would think.
― Will Chave (Hurting 2), Wednesday, 18 July 2012 00:44 (10 months ago) Permalink
Did they do anything in 1992 for the 20th?
― pplains, Wednesday, 18 July 2012 00:46 (10 months ago) Permalink
i don't really care, but even eurovision commemorated it when it was held in munich
― Mordy, Wednesday, 18 July 2012 00:47 (10 months ago) Permalink
I'm certainly aware that there's a contingent who is probably trying to make a flag pin out of this issue, as it were.
― Will Chave (Hurting 2), Wednesday, 18 July 2012 00:53 (10 months ago) Permalink
flag pin = the new shibboleth?
― Mordy, Wednesday, 18 July 2012 01:17 (10 months ago) Permalink
http://youngcontrarian.tumblr.com/post/14914351170/gore-vidal-and-the-jewish-question
― Mordy, Wednesday, 1 August 2012 15:25 (9 months ago) Permalink
In “Pink Triangle and Yellow Star” in particular, Vidal seems irked by the very notion of a conservatively-minded Jewish sensibility, or commentators who might advocate for interests not of immediate importance to isolationists like himself. Indeed, Vidal has long argued retrospectively against American involvement in the Second World War, in Europe or otherwise, and in the lead-up to the conflict was a supporter of Charles Lindbergh and the America First Committee.
when he was what, 14?
― goole, Wednesday, 1 August 2012 15:46 (9 months ago) Permalink
http://www.bostonphoenix.com/archive/books/99/08/05/SEXUALLY_SPEAKING.html
Gore Vidal's ideas about sex grow out of his ideas about himself: he is one of the last American aristocrats ("My family helped start [this country], and we've been in political life . . . since the 1690s, and I have a very possessive sense about this country"), and is angry at what new immigrants ("I think the Roman Catholic arrivals here have not been -- how shall I put this tactfully -- a great addition to our Republic") and the national security state have done to erode his patrimony. That patrimony includes a dignified tolerance that extends to sexual matters, and this is the principle that underlies his witty and entertaining polemics against the intolerant masses. But every cause that Vidal embraces has deeper and better bases for support than those he advances in Sexually Speaking. "All men are created equal" may not date back quite as far as the 1690s, but it is a better defense of liberty, sexual and otherwise, than the one presented here.
― goole, Wednesday, 1 August 2012 15:52 (9 months ago) Permalink
"how shall I put this tactfully"
Young Contrarian taking on Old and now Dead Contrarian in weak blog shocka.
― Ring brother, ring for me! (Viceroy), Wednesday, 1 August 2012 16:21 (9 months ago) Permalink
wtf http://www.algemeiner.com/2012/08/28/michigan-state-student-brutally-beaten-in-anti-semitic-attack/
― Mordy, Tuesday, 28 August 2012 23:51 (8 months ago) Permalink
http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/the_spectator/2012/08/_holocaust_obsessed_it_s_the_new_anti_semitic_slur_.html
― Mordy, Wednesday, 29 August 2012 19:16 (8 months ago) Permalink
missed that vidal piece from a few weeks back but GV got the same treatment from salon, slate, the new republic, and a few other places when he died -- paul berman's essay was especially dishonest and infuriating.
― (The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Wednesday, 29 August 2012 19:19 (8 months ago) Permalink
"...often used by Jews as an epithet to describe other Jews. "
So is the question whether a Jew can be an anti-semite?
― pplains, Wednesday, 29 August 2012 19:21 (8 months ago) Permalink
272,000 google hits is nothing, basically
― max, Wednesday, 29 August 2012 19:24 (8 months ago) Permalink
we prefer the term self-hating Jew thank you very much
― chicago rap twitter luminary (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 29 August 2012 19:25 (8 months ago) Permalink
"obsessed with gawker"About 974 results (0.42 seconds)
― Nilmar Honorato da Silva, Wednesday, 29 August 2012 19:26 (8 months ago) Permalink
ugh, fuck ron rosenbaum
― max, Wednesday, 29 August 2012 19:26 (8 months ago) Permalink
can he write an article without being a dick about hannah arendt
― max, Wednesday, 29 August 2012 19:27 (8 months ago) Permalink
whoah waht yeah that's a dealbreaker for me
― chicago rap twitter luminary (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 29 August 2012 19:29 (8 months ago) Permalink
lol i haven't even read it yet
― Mordy, Wednesday, 29 August 2012 19:30 (8 months ago) Permalink
does he call her a nazi groupie?
I didn't get this far but max otm
One thing the new evidence has done is re-enforce a perception I’ve had that Hannah Arendt’s “banality of evil” description of Eichmann—the concept of “banality of evil” itself—is now looking ever more foolish. I’ve argued that Arendt arrogantly and ignorantly bought into Eichmann’s defense that he was “just following orders” in a way that absolved him from the “radical evil” that she, Arendt, once believed in.
― chicago rap twitter luminary (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 29 August 2012 19:31 (8 months ago) Permalink
A little more info about the jewish mouth stapling bizarro crime above:
http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/nationworld/2019017260_apuscollegestudentattacked.html
― Fig On A Plate Cart (Alex in SF), Wednesday, 29 August 2012 20:06 (8 months ago) Permalink
tbh i instantly check out when a writer feels the need to remind us that he's 'already argued' something in the past.
― (The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Wednesday, 29 August 2012 20:08 (8 months ago) Permalink
xpWhich if you listen to the police basically = kid got beat up for some nonsense and then made up ridiculous anti-semitic fantasy which his parents are now running with...
― Fig On A Plate Cart (Alex in SF), Wednesday, 29 August 2012 20:09 (8 months ago) Permalink
way to not get it, ron
― goole, Wednesday, 29 August 2012 20:12 (8 months ago) Permalink
I’ve argued that Arendt arrogantly and ignorantly bought into Eichmann’s defense
no, fuck you
― i know your nuts hurt! who's laughing? (contenderizer), Wednesday, 29 August 2012 20:28 (8 months ago) Permalink
he had a long terrible thing last year about arendt that was similarly and more insistently wrong, i mean almost a complete misreading
― max, Wednesday, 29 August 2012 20:40 (8 months ago) Permalink
Hannah Arendt: too nuanced, insufficiently vengeful
― just one little Tayto (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 29 August 2012 20:41 (8 months ago) Permalink
― Mordy, Wednesday, 29 August 2012 19:16 (1 hour ago) Permalink
this article is complete crap and I couldn't finish it
― look at this quarterstaff (Hurting 2), Wednesday, 29 August 2012 20:56 (8 months ago) Permalink
kid got beat up for some nonsense and then made up ridiculous anti-semitic fantasy which his parents are now running with...
this was my suspicion tbh. getting yr mouth stapled shut is such a WTF method of assault there was no way that was real
― chicago rap twitter luminary (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 29 August 2012 20:59 (8 months ago) Permalink
xp lol i haven't even read it yet
― Mordy, Wednesday, 29 August 2012 21:01 (8 months ago) Permalink
I really think there might be a little more to what Arendt meant by "the banality of evil" than Rosenbaum is giving credit for
― look at this quarterstaff (Hurting 2), Wednesday, 29 August 2012 21:04 (8 months ago) Permalink
Nope that's it, that's why she's arrogant and ignorant, right?
― Fig On A Plate Cart (Alex in SF), Wednesday, 29 August 2012 21:11 (8 months ago) Permalink
there's the whole sleeping w/ a nazi thing too
― Mordy, Wednesday, 29 August 2012 21:12 (8 months ago) Permalink
(nb i really like arendt's writing and i mean any digs itt in jest)
― Mordy, Wednesday, 29 August 2012 21:13 (8 months ago) Permalink
if you HAD to pick one nazi to bone...
― goole, Wednesday, 29 August 2012 21:15 (8 months ago) Permalink
iirc the last rosenbaum column on arendt leaned really heavily on her relationship w/ heidegger as a reason to dismiss her
― max, Wednesday, 29 August 2012 21:15 (8 months ago) Permalink
while we're chatting about arendt, this is my fave book of hers
also, since it is the anti-semitism thread, i've never read origins of totalitarianism but i've always been curious about
― Mordy, Wednesday, 29 August 2012 21:22 (8 months ago) Permalink
every rosenbaum article reads exactly like this one. pissy, long, and full of pompous references to himself and how smart he is.
― (The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Wednesday, 29 August 2012 21:35 (8 months ago) Permalink
http://m.forward.com/articles/162511
― Mordy, Sunday, 9 September 2012 16:07 (8 months ago) Permalink
I would answer in the affirmative, in regards to the thread title.
― pplains, Sunday, 9 September 2012 16:44 (8 months ago) Permalink
ok, just checking
― Mordy, Sunday, 9 September 2012 16:51 (8 months ago) Permalink
i know we've got a thread for circumcision somewhere (or did we discuss those bizarro anti-circumcision comics here?): http://www.nytimes.com/2012/09/20/world/europe/circumcision-debate-in-europe-reflects-deeper-tensions.html
ppl obsessed w/ banning circumcision are among humanity's greatest weirdos imho.
― Mordy, Thursday, 20 September 2012 12:50 (8 months ago) Permalink