yeah, I knew 808s would be his lowest placing album to date, but I thought it'd be by a bigger margin (Graduation was only 1 spot higher last year). that album amassed a pretty large number of defenders.
― some dude, Wednesday, 21 January 2009 15:49 (fifteen years ago) link
any idea how many voted this time?
― Ioannis, Wednesday, 21 January 2009 16:07 (fifteen years ago) link
My favorite ballot so far (four Flipper albums!):
http://www.villagevoice.com/pazznjop/critics/2008/685463
I also think it's funny that the Top 40 albums includes bands called both Fleet Foxes and Frightened Rabbit (the latter of whom I swear I never heard of before, though I probably just wasn't paying attention.)
And Eddy Current Suppression Ring finished 73rd -- hey, that's pretty good! (Would have done even better if I'd voted for them, but still.)
― xhuxk, Wednesday, 21 January 2009 16:18 (fifteen years ago) link
woot Portishead!
― Barack You Like A Husseincane (HI DERE), Wednesday, 21 January 2009 16:20 (fifteen years ago) link
I'm so tired of people always saying "woot Portishead"
― some dude, Wednesday, 21 January 2009 16:24 (fifteen years ago) link
woot woot Portishead
― Pfunkboy Formerly Known As... (Herman G. Neuname), Wednesday, 21 January 2009 16:37 (fifteen years ago) link
see, there they go again
― some dude, Wednesday, 21 January 2009 16:38 (fifteen years ago) link
Another thing I had no idea of til now: That some people still care about the Walkmen (32nd!?) and the Black Keys (55th).
― xhuxk, Wednesday, 21 January 2009 16:41 (fifteen years ago) link
Did Jess Harvell and M. Matos just post their lists at idolator or on blogs because they did not vote in P & J
― curmudgeon, Wednesday, 21 January 2009 17:00 (fifteen years ago) link
so was that walkmen album any good after all? the third one was so blah i more or less gave up on 'em.
barely anyone voted for what i voted for, which i should be used to by now, but still bums me out.
― Beatrix Kiddo, Wednesday, 21 January 2009 17:02 (fifteen years ago) link
seriously, only seven people voted for Atlas Sound, including me? come the fuck on.
― Beatrix Kiddo, Wednesday, 21 January 2009 17:04 (fifteen years ago) link
only place i've seen Jess's top 10 is here: http://www.citypaper.com/special/story.asp?id=17187
― some dude, Wednesday, 21 January 2009 17:07 (fifteen years ago) link
matos' is there, too.
― Beatrix Kiddo, Wednesday, 21 January 2009 17:07 (fifteen years ago) link
Thanks. x-post
But the Deerhunter one got a bunch of votes. I read someone describe the Walkmen album as a comeback effort that should be heard, but I never got around to hearing it.
― curmudgeon, Wednesday, 21 January 2009 17:08 (fifteen years ago) link
I'm pretty sure both are considered persona non grata at New Times publications.
― The Reverend (rev), Wednesday, 21 January 2009 18:13 (fifteen years ago) link
I seriously doubt the New Times would force P&J reject their ballots, though, if they wanted to vote. (Though I could be wrong.)
― xhuxk, Wednesday, 21 January 2009 18:27 (fifteen years ago) link
I totally forgot this was still happening!
(But then, Vampire Weekend has more interesting rhythms than any hip-hop record I've heard these past several years.)
I know this has already been called out, but WOW.
― da croupier, Wednesday, 21 January 2009 18:36 (fifteen years ago) link
This ILM contributer also had a comment.
Btw: Is anyone else shocked Malkmus didn't place higher?
― Mordy, Wednesday, 21 January 2009 18:41 (fifteen years ago) link
Who else rendered a song about fucking that somehow evokes every accidental headbutt, elbow in the eye, broken bed, leg cramp, and belly fart of lovemaking like the sloppy finale, "Lover's Day"?
Was is the horns that evoked the belly fart?
― da croupier, Wednesday, 21 January 2009 18:47 (fifteen years ago) link
Was it, rather
Love that Kathleen Edwards placed before Laura Marling, Jenny Lewis, etc.
― Mordy, Wednesday, 21 January 2009 18:48 (fifteen years ago) link
It looks like the only NY Times writer to participate is Jon Caramanica. No Ann Powers from the LA Times.
― curmudgeon, Wednesday, 21 January 2009 19:02 (fifteen years ago) link
How many non-amurican writers participate(and do they have to write for American sites or publications)? I see Tim Finney.
― curmudgeon, Wednesday, 21 January 2009 19:06 (fifteen years ago) link
Anthony Easton is Canadian.
― dan, Wednesday, 21 January 2009 20:35 (fifteen years ago) link
Vampire Weekend make more amusing and thought-provoking play from the signifiers of wealth and exclusivity than any rapper I've heard these past several years. (But then, Vampire Weekend has more interesting rhythms than any hip-hop record I've heard these past several years.)
Even ignoring the latter part, surely Simey would recognize that the hiphopers' nouveau-riche anthems and VW's old-monied signifiers are coming from completely different places? Faulting an against-all-odds, self-made man for not exuding the trappings of wealth as properly as a priveledged trust-funder seems kind of asinine.
― The Reverend (rev), Wednesday, 21 January 2009 20:43 (fifteen years ago) link
I think he's entirely aware of that; I take it as him arguing that old-money japery of VW is more interesting than the new-money braggadocio of hip-hop. And given how utterly fucking boring and creatively bankrupt that side of hip-hop is at this point, I can only say that I don't like Vampire Weekend either.
― unperson, Wednesday, 21 January 2009 21:06 (fifteen years ago) link
This is the same Simon Reynolds who was bothered by M.I.A.'s music because it wasn't real enough, aka the Simon Reynolds I stopped paying attention to.
― Barack You Like A Husseincane (HI DERE), Wednesday, 21 January 2009 21:15 (fifteen years ago) link
plus she wasn't "exotic" enough (or some such) for him.
― Ioannis, Wednesday, 21 January 2009 21:18 (fifteen years ago) link
>This is the same Simon Reynolds who was bothered by M.I.A.'s music because it wasn't real enough, aka the Simon Reynolds I stopped paying attention to.
Yeah, it's important to have only one yardstick by which you measure every single artist.
― unperson, Wednesday, 21 January 2009 21:20 (fifteen years ago) link
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Ditto Phil Dellio, Barry Bruner, Ian Mathers, and probably a couple more I don't know. Jonathan Bradley is, like Tim, Australian. And Reynolds is, of course, British, though he lives in the US now.
― Bianca Jagger (jaymc), Wednesday, 21 January 2009 21:26 (fifteen years ago) link
the signifiers of wealth and exclusivity than any rapper I've heard these past several years.
so for us non-rock critics, this basically means dressing like "popular kid" extras in a john hughes movie?
― ie: BANGING (M@tt He1ges0n), Wednesday, 21 January 2009 21:31 (fifteen years ago) link
also i heard that record and it's pretty tame rhymically to me, esp considering how Nomo fucking BROUGHT it so hard with african influenced stuff on Ghost Rock...or other bands like Gang Gang Dance etc etc
― ie: BANGING (M@tt He1ges0n), Wednesday, 21 January 2009 21:32 (fifteen years ago) link
Q: what is it called when you at first really hated some indie critic's darling, but eventually reached a point where you just don't care enough to argue?
A: vamp ire, weakened
― tipsy mothra, Wednesday, 21 January 2009 21:36 (fifteen years ago) link
Ha
I like when VW quote Lil Jon
― curmudgeon, Wednesday, 21 January 2009 21:38 (fifteen years ago) link
Heh, apparently I'm from New York now. And the way the two pages are formatted, my comment is credited on a completely separate page, so it looks like my name is paired with Michael Barthel's comments.
― jon /via/ chi 2.0, Wednesday, 21 January 2009 21:39 (fifteen years ago) link
Is this directed towards me or towards Reynolds? I can't tell if you are sarcastically mocking me for not caring about what Reynolds had to say after he accused an artist who pretty much freely admitted that she was ripping off a whole bunch of world music styles to make Western club music of not being authentic enough or sarcastically mocking Reynolds for privileging "keeping it real" above all else.
― Barack You Like A Husseincane (HI DERE), Wednesday, 21 January 2009 21:41 (fifteen years ago) link
real links to your real ballots please. this thread could use some real laffs.
― Ioannis, Wednesday, 21 January 2009 21:46 (fifteen years ago) link
Laff away.
― jon /via/ chi 2.0, Wednesday, 21 January 2009 21:54 (fifteen years ago) link
http://www.villagevoice.com/pazznjop/critics/2008/686603
:/
― Mordy, Wednesday, 21 January 2009 21:56 (fifteen years ago) link
http://www.villagevoice.com/pazznjop/critics/2008/685749
― unperson, Wednesday, 21 January 2009 21:58 (fifteen years ago) link
yeah, i saw yours before...Coldplay was my only o_O moment there.
xxp
― Ioannis, Wednesday, 21 January 2009 21:58 (fifteen years ago) link
http://www.villagevoice.com/pazznjop/critics/2008/686367I honestly completely forgot about paper planes; thought it was 07!Probably would've cracked my top 10 if i had thought about it.
― i wanna roll stuff UP, i don't wanna NOT roll stuff up!!!! (forksclovetofu), Wednesday, 21 January 2009 22:17 (fifteen years ago) link
Royal Flush brethren: http://www.villagevoice.com/pazznjop/singles/2008/Um95YWwgRmx1c2g=
― i wanna roll stuff UP, i don't wanna NOT roll stuff up!!!! (forksclovetofu), Wednesday, 21 January 2009 22:18 (fifteen years ago) link
http://www.villagevoice.com/pazznjop/critics/2008/686287
― Alfred, Lord Sotosyn, Wednesday, 21 January 2009 22:23 (fifteen years ago) link
http://www.villagevoice.com/pazznjop/critics/2008/686145
― 8. Opeth - Watershed (Whiney G. Weingarten), Wednesday, 21 January 2009 22:24 (fifteen years ago) link
and here's the rest of the Yahhh Brigade
― Whiney G. Weingarten, Wednesday, 21 January 2009 22:26 (fifteen years ago) link
http://www.villagevoice.com/pazznjop/singles/2008/WWFoaGgh
me and ke1th harr15 had some great conversations about "yahhh" at rye playland and i'm very glad to see he is my yahhh brother.
― Whiney G. Weingarten, Wednesday, 21 January 2009 22:27 (fifteen years ago) link
http://www.villagevoice.com/pazznjop/critics/2008/686239
of the handful of things i voted for that no one else did, i'm only surprised by sprengjuhollin. would've thought it would scare up one or two more. (i suppose it would help if it were actually released, but it's on emusic, easy to get.)
― tipsy mothra, Wednesday, 21 January 2009 22:29 (fifteen years ago) link
JVC, your Badu blurb really stood out when I read through the comments earlier (and I didn't even know it was you). Nice work.
― Bianca Jagger (jaymc), Wednesday, 21 January 2009 22:40 (fifteen years ago) link
Sundar, he's not passing judgment on Vampire Weekend's rhythmic interest. He's saying that since so few of us understand rhythm in the first place (some of us even think it requires competency on the part of the musicians to appreciate its deft handling!) we shouldn't throw stones at those who claim to find it interesting.
― da croupier, Tuesday, 27 January 2009 22:35 (fifteen years ago) link
it's 2009
― the gush of yesterday (omar little), Tuesday, 27 January 2009 22:37 (fifteen years ago) link
stop talking about this band
I think you have to wait for the follow-up for that to happen
― da croupier, Tuesday, 27 January 2009 22:38 (fifteen years ago) link
http://farm1.static.flickr.com/4/7151287_5d254b3944.jpg?v=0
― the gush of yesterday (omar little), Tuesday, 27 January 2009 22:39 (fifteen years ago) link
Nachtmystium, Assassins: Black Meddle Vol. 1: Melody and groove were once as taboo in black metal as smiling, group hugs, and subscriptions to Cat Fancy, but this Chicago battering ram harnesses both into moments of dirt-beneath-the-fingernails grandeur, harsh atmosphere and Pink Floyd–indebted sonic landscaping that add new hues to the genre's once monochromatic palate. The Euros have had black metal in a headlock since its inception, but these dudes begin to pry Scandinavia's clammy hands from around its throat.
Jason BracelinLas Vegas, NV
So I wonder if this metal band does exhibit "melody and groove"
― curmudgeon, Wednesday, 28 January 2009 02:33 (fifteen years ago) link
They're into the groove on this video-
― curmudgeon, Wednesday, 28 January 2009 02:37 (fifteen years ago) link
A vivid demonstration of Chuck's point about indie dominance: I just went through the top 100 looking up anybody I couldn't immediately hum something by, and it was uncanny how many had Fleet Foxes in their "listeners also bought" list. And uncanny how few I bought.
On the other hand, I've listened to "If Rap Gets Jealous" about 9 times now. Rather more charming in the original version, I think, so I don't know if that bodes well for the new album.
― glenn mcdonald, Wednesday, 28 January 2009 02:37 (fifteen years ago) link
i can't believe i ran and collated a couple of consensus polls before
― the gush of yesterday (omar little), Wednesday, 28 January 2009 02:40 (fifteen years ago) link
I've listened to "If Rap Gets Jealous" about 9 times now. Rather more charming in the original version, I think, so I don't know if that bodes well for the new album.
Haven't figured out which version (or which album, having just recently gotten the new one) I prefer yet, but I assume you know that Kirk Hammett plays on the new version, right? (Pretty sure I like it better than anything on last year's Metallica album.)
― xhuxk, Wednesday, 28 January 2009 02:45 (fifteen years ago) link
Yeah, not sure Kirk adds much, but I'll wait until I can hear a better-quality version of the new version before giving up on it.
― glenn mcdonald, Wednesday, 28 January 2009 02:55 (fifteen years ago) link
hey, they do get into the "Stranglehold" groove there (sort of), Steve. no lie.
xp
― Keep The Dogs Away (Ioannis), Wednesday, 28 January 2009 09:50 (fifteen years ago) link
Late to say something, but the whole Q-Tip album grows on you--I wish I'd thrown my points behind it instead of the usual non-placers. Oh, and I voted for four hip-hop albums. Didn't vote for The Dusty Foot Philosopher, but liked it.
― Pete Scholtes, Wednesday, 28 January 2009 15:08 (fifteen years ago) link
It's interesting that Pazz & Jop got 577 people to vote, while Continuum Press 33 1/3 series got 597 FULL PROPOSALS for books last month.
― Nate Carson, Thursday, 29 January 2009 00:31 (fifteen years ago) link
Fascinating.
― Mare Street tour guide (Dom Passantino), Thursday, 29 January 2009 00:35 (fifteen years ago) link
Well sure, but each proposal only had to come up with a single album, and it didn't even have to have made its "impact" this year...
― glenn mcdonald, Thursday, 29 January 2009 01:47 (fifteen years ago) link
This is beginning to feel like a dog's lost a bone.
― TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 28 November 2019 04:06 (four years ago) link
I don’t think you’d like it but “the 59 sound” is one of my favorite records ever
― k3vin k., Thursday, 28 November 2019 04:23 (four years ago) link