His Cecil comments are some pretty embarrassing wrong-side-of-history shit, though.
― Chuck? Chuck? It's me, your cousin, Marvin D (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Thursday, 12 July 2012 17:34 (eleven years ago) link
nah
― 40oz of tears (Jordan), Thursday, 12 July 2012 17:44 (eleven years ago) link
money jungle sounded great again today. stomping. don't know why i was vaguely disappointed back when i had it on vinyl
― (REAL NAME) (m coleman), Thursday, 12 July 2012 17:54 (eleven years ago) link
Reading that bf test carefully it turns out that it was the critics who were drinking the coffee, not Mingus.
― My Elusive Memes (James Redd and the Blecchs), Thursday, 12 July 2012 18:20 (eleven years ago) link
"Now, Miles David wasn’t known for listening to just about anything – he was very selective in what he spent his time listening to, so he’s definitely got some opinions."
― 69, Thursday, 12 July 2012 18:30 (eleven years ago) link
interesting that he hated eric dolphy so much. wonder if he and coltrane ever discussed it.
― tylerw, Thursday, July 12, 2012 10:20 AM (3 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
Not to mention that he ended up playing w/ Herbie Hancock and Tony Williams, who played with Dolphy. Miles being Miles.
Funny stuff though.
"Money Jungle" is pretty great I think
― chr1sb3singer, Thursday, 12 July 2012 18:38 (eleven years ago) link
Yeah, I feel like some of those comments come from him understanding what makes a good record and some of them just come from his ears not being open to certain kinds of sounds at the time. I wonder if even a slightly later Miles Davis would have liked Eric Dolphy or Money Jungle more.
― Will Chave (Hurting 2), Thursday, 12 July 2012 18:56 (eleven years ago) link
If only Miles Davis had liked to listened to more records and had lived long enough to post on ILX.
― My Elusive Memes (James Redd and the Blecchs), Thursday, 12 July 2012 19:06 (eleven years ago) link
Had liked to listen to.
Ah forget it.
― My Elusive Memes (James Redd and the Blecchs), Thursday, 12 July 2012 19:07 (eleven years ago) link
In his autobio he tempered his view of Dolphy somewhat ("He could play; I just didn't like the way he played").
― Chuck? Chuck? It's me, your cousin, Marvin D (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Thursday, 12 July 2012 19:12 (eleven years ago) link
haha, fair enough!
― tylerw, Thursday, 12 July 2012 19:13 (eleven years ago) link
love this album. been a favorite for years and years. first heard it in the early 90s, then spent ages looking for a vinyl copy. had some old guy in a jazz store tell me that "kids" were always looking for it, which didn't really surprise me. it's funky. do agree that mingus gets out of hand occasionally, like where he just drills into a single note for long stretches on the title track, but for the most part they all work together beautifully. love "fleurette africaine", "wig wise" and "very special", great version of "caravan".
― contenderizer, Thursday, 12 July 2012 19:30 (eleven years ago) link
otm
michael cuscana in his money jungle sleevenotes sez: "it is hard to imagine that Duke was not aware of contemporary pianist/composers like Herbie Nichols and Cecil Taylor", which I wld like to believe, tho' in truth i think ellington was always a modernist, and the title track is more especially monkian
― Ward Fowler, Thursday, 12 July 2012 19:30 (eleven years ago) link
xp yeah the "caravan" is pretty rowdy, almost sounds like it could break into "haitian fight song" or something. also love duke's long solo intro to "solitude."
― tylerw, Thursday, 12 July 2012 19:31 (eleven years ago) link
i think ellington was always a modernist, and the title track is more especially monkian
Totally. Duke never really picked sides during the big debates (boppers vs. moldy figs; new-music proponents vs. critics like Feather), but he's played Monk pieces ("Monk's Dream" is on one of the Private Collection discs), and it's hard to imagine large chunks of The Far East Suite and The Afro-Eurasian Eclipse without the influence of the new music.
Then again, he supposedly told the members of Chicago that they were the new standard-bearers, so...
― Chuck? Chuck? It's me, your cousin, Marvin D (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Thursday, 12 July 2012 20:17 (eleven years ago) link
Ellington: "Chicago, you are the new standard bearers ... [under his breath] of bulllllllshit."
― tylerw, Thursday, 12 July 2012 20:19 (eleven years ago) link
Found the quote. It's far worse than I remembered:
Back in the early '70's, Ellington had asked to have Chicago appear on his TV special, Duke Ellington: We Love You Madly, along with such august company as Ella Fitzgerald, Sarah Vaughan, Ray Charles, Peggy Lee, and Count Basie. After the show, Parazaider and Pankow went to meet Ellington, who was near the end of his illustrious career. "I said, "Mr. Ellington, it really was an honour to be asked to be on your show," Parazaider recalls, "and he looked at Jimmy and me, and he said , 'On the contrary young men, the honour is all mine because you're the next Duke Ellington's.'
― Chuck? Chuck? It's me, your cousin, Marvin D (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Thursday, 12 July 2012 20:26 (eleven years ago) link
xp hahaha, read that in Ellington's voice.
Isn't there another Chicago quote from Hendrix supposedly? "I can play a little guitar but this guy blows me away"
― My Elusive Memes (James Redd and the Blecchs), Thursday, 12 July 2012 20:34 (eleven years ago) link
terry kath could shred. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Zjqh5TQTEochicago's songs are still pretty horrible though.
― tylerw, Thursday, 12 July 2012 20:38 (eleven years ago) link
http://wp-images.emusic.com/blogs/3/files/2011/01/kenny-g-and-miles-davis.jpg
― (REAL NAME) (m coleman), Thursday, 12 July 2012 20:41 (eleven years ago) link
As for Kenny G, he could read a newspaper and sound good! I’ll give that one five stars.
― tylerw, Thursday, 12 July 2012 20:42 (eleven years ago) link
duke was just glad to see white kids playing horns is my guess.
― (REAL NAME) (m coleman), Thursday, 12 July 2012 20:44 (eleven years ago) link
kenny g reading the newspaper is the best he ever sounded in fact
― Will Chave (Hurting 2), Thursday, 12 July 2012 20:48 (eleven years ago) link
dude does a killer sports section
― tylerw, Thursday, 12 July 2012 20:49 (eleven years ago) link
haha I totally have to put that terry kath thing on one of the blind mixes I exchange with a friend of mine and see what noise guy he guesses it is
― Will Chave (Hurting 2), Thursday, 12 July 2012 20:52 (eleven years ago) link
lol yeah i can see doing that. "rhys chatham! no, is thurston!?"
― tylerw, Thursday, 12 July 2012 20:55 (eleven years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ucgZQGPZOpk
― My Elusive Memes (James Redd and the Blecchs), Thursday, 12 July 2012 21:03 (eleven years ago) link
bing-bing-bing-bing-bing
― give life back to usic (The Reverend), Wednesday, 5 June 2013 21:05 (ten years ago) link
bing-bing-bing
bing-bing-bing-bing-bing-bing-bing
BYOW-BYOW-BYOW-BYOWWWWWW!
― i don't even have an internet (Hurting 2), Wednesday, 5 June 2013 21:06 (ten years ago) link
― give life back to usic (The Reverend), Wednesday, 5 June 2013 22:48 (ten years ago) link
This is one of the all-time jazz trio greats, fucking awesome album.
― xelab, Thursday, 12 February 2015 21:47 (nine years ago) link
ditto The Max Roach Trio featuring the Legendary Hasaan.
― xelab, Thursday, 12 February 2015 22:39 (nine years ago) link
that one is soooo good too
― walid foster dulles (man alive), Thursday, 12 February 2015 23:27 (nine years ago) link