^ that post is like chum for clem i think
― balls, Thursday, 12 July 2012 02:13 (eleven years ago) link
actually it's surprising there isn't at least one more prominent example of ras neil out there
xpost and now my own unintentional avoidance of the name of this band is given weight
― da croupier, Thursday, 12 July 2012 02:13 (eleven years ago) link
It was the only "After the Garden" vote, yes...Outdoor Miner: let me know if you want your ballot posted.
― clemenza, Thursday, 12 July 2012 02:13 (eleven years ago) link
Another thing about CTK: in the old AMG review of Zuma, the writer mentioned that the song was the lone holdover from an abandoned concept album of historical-oriented songs. That is the only place I've heard of this concept lp. Total bullshit, or is there something to it?
― Don't Feel Like Santana, But Oye Como Va To Them (C. Grisso/McCain), Thursday, 12 July 2012 02:14 (eleven years ago) link
after This Note's For You the VV's critic wondered whether "Neil Sings Nelson Riddle!" was next. Why not "Neil Sings Lee 'Scratch' Perry"?
― a regina spektor is haunting europe (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 12 July 2012 02:15 (eleven years ago) link
Jah Rastafari Believe In You
― da croupier, Thursday, 12 July 2012 02:16 (eleven years ago) link
is le noise the closest thing to a neil young dub album we have? also: neil young + crazy horse in everybody's dubsteppin -> yes, sign me up
― balls, Thursday, 12 July 2012 02:22 (eleven years ago) link
the real Weld experience
this was intentional right? if so: ~knucks~
knucks anyway
― catbus otm (gbx), Thursday, 12 July 2012 02:26 (eleven years ago) link
can-knucks joke goes here
neil young + crazy horse in everybody's dubsteppin -> yes, sign me up
"kinda fonda wubwubwub"
― da croupier, Thursday, 12 July 2012 02:27 (eleven years ago) link
I know Neil has said that the real Weld experience was the long-form video/laser disc.
I'd hate to think the real Weld experience is close-ups of audience members singing along.
― Chuck? Chuck? It's me, your cousin, Marvin D (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Thursday, 12 July 2012 03:17 (eleven years ago) link
1. Powderfinger2. The Needle And The Damage Done3. Cortez the Killer4. Sugar Mountain5. Down By The River6. After the Gold Rush7. Alabama8. Pocahontas9. Revolution Blues10. South-ern Pac-i-fic11. Comes A Time12. The Loner13. Don't Be Denied14. Don't Let it Bring You Down15. Tonight's the Night16. Will To Love17. Cowgirl In The Sand18. Rap-id Tran-sit19. Harvest Moon20. Coupe De Ville21. Safeway Cart22. The Bridge23. Love To Burn24. For The Turnstiles25. Kinda Fonda Wanda26. My My, Hey Hey (Out Of The Blue)27. Homegrown28. Captain Kennedy29. Fuckin' Up30. Silver And Gold
Upper 10 = 15Middle 10 = 10Bottom 10 = 5
― exclusive to this pledge group - pleasure (weatheringdaleson), Thursday, 12 July 2012 03:19 (eleven years ago) link
Placed 20 of 30. Kind of surprised "Four Strong Winds" didn't make it.
― Neil Jung (WmC), Thursday, 12 July 2012 03:22 (eleven years ago) link
27 of 30 placed. Would have loved to see Flying on the Ground is Wrong make the list. That one's come on strong for me lately. Tyler had the Kendra Smith / Rainy Day cover posted earlier this year ... so good.
For 15 points each: Tell Me Why Down by the River Powderfinger Pocahontas Helpless Expecting to Fly On the Way Home Ohio The Old Laughing Lady Sedan DeliveryFor 10 points each: Out on the Weekend Long May You Run Comes a Time Winterlong Flying on the Ground is Wrong Nowadays Clancy Can't Even Sing Like a Hurricane Rockin' in the the Free World Cowgirl in the Sand Hey Hey, My MyFor 5 points each: See the Sky About to Rain Birds Till the Morning Comes Thrasher Dreamin' Man Cortez the Killer Only Love Can Break Your Heart Albuquerque Walk On After the Gold Rush
― that's not my post, Thursday, 12 July 2012 04:03 (eleven years ago) link
1.) Don't Be Denied - 242.) Tell Me Why - 203.) Keep On Rockin in the Free World - 154.) For the Turnstiles - 145.) Powderfinger - 14
12 points:Down by the RiverThrasherWinterlongAlbuquerque
10 points:Pardon My HeartI Believe in YouSedan DeliveryOn the BeachBirdsSleeps with Angels
7 points:Revolution BluesCinnamon GirlWorld on a StringHangin on a LimbSlip AwayTime Fades AwayLike a HurricanePocahontasThe Old HomesteadBarstool Blues
5 points:
Walk OnLADon't Let it Bring You DownFuckin UpHeart of GoldAmbulance BluesDrivebyCrime in the CityHitchhikerYonder Stands the Sinner
2 points:
Lookout JoeWelfare MothersSafeway CartComes a TimeHarvest
0 points ;_;
Coupe de VilleWords Between the Lines of AgeChange Your Mind
― t. s. idiot (loves laboured breathing), Thursday, 12 July 2012 04:34 (eleven years ago) link
I don't think complex readings of "Cortez" are wrong, exactly, but they also don't really obviate the problems with the noble savage imagery and all that. Even as allegory, it's pretty dicey. (And "Desolation Row" is a good analog, in that the last verse recontextualizes the song, but that's a particular trick that I think Dylan does a whole lot better.)
― something of an astrological coup (tipsy mothra), Thursday, 12 July 2012 04:51 (eleven years ago) link
Anyway, I listened to "Powderfinger" in the car on the way home tonight, with the windows down, and it really seemed like a perfect song. It wasn't my number 1, but I'm happy it landed there. It's about so much -- war and loyalty, the confusion of being young, the drastic consequences of not knowing what you're doing. It's a Vietnam song dressed up as "Deliverance," but it's also about growing up and finding out that everything you've learned won't help, nothing will really protect you, you're on your own.
― something of an astrological coup (tipsy mothra), Thursday, 12 July 2012 05:00 (eleven years ago) link
I was out last night so missed the finale but thanks clemenza, this was a total delight from start to finish. I had Powderfinger as my #1 and Cortez at #3.
Songs from the bottom third of my ballot that didn't make it:
Everybody's AloneJourney Through the PastLove and WarWar SongBad Fog of LonelinessBurned
― Get wolves (DL), Thursday, 12 July 2012 09:16 (eleven years ago) link
My ballot (unranked):
Cowgirl In The Sand Don't Let It Bring You Down Ohio Cinnamon Girl Down By The River Oh, Lonesome Me Heart Of Gold Old Man The Needle And The Damage Done Walk On See The Sky About To Rain For The Turnstiles Tonight's The Night Come On Baby Let's Go Downtown Tell Me Why Tired Eyes Like A Hurricane Spirit Road No Hidden Path The Loner After The Goldrush Only Love Can Break Your Heart Till The Morning Comes Birds When You Dance I Can Really Love I Believe In You Cripple Creek Ferry Hey Hey, My My (Into The Black) Rockin' In The Free World Burned
was I the only voter for No Hidden Path and Spirit Road? Guess I rate Chrome Dreams II more highly than most.
― Volvo Twilight (p-dog), Thursday, 12 July 2012 10:13 (eleven years ago) link
Did you see the Chrome Dreams II tour? Great show but I remember resenting No Hidden Path for gibbling up 15-20 minutes of prime setlist real estate.
― Get wolves (DL), Thursday, 12 July 2012 10:15 (eleven years ago) link
i'm sorry cripple creek ferry didn't make it, always thought it would've been a perfect song for him to perform w/ the muppets (NOT a diss!)
― Ward Fowler, Thursday, 12 July 2012 10:24 (eleven years ago) link
Gobbling. I don't know what gibbling is but I'm sure I'd have resented that too.
― Get wolves (DL), Thursday, 12 July 2012 10:32 (eleven years ago) link
yes saw that tour, no resentment! found the 15-minute NHP pretty transcendent actually... also kind of enjoyed the fact that he was prepared to do that, it seemed a very "Neil Young" move.
― Volvo Twilight (p-dog), Thursday, 12 July 2012 11:12 (eleven years ago) link
"Dirty Old Man" is a good 'un.
― a regina spektor is haunting europe (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 12 July 2012 11:32 (eleven years ago) link
xp Yeah, it's true. It would be weird to go to a Neil Young concert and not have a few quixotic moments. It was still a tremendous set. Looking at other setlists from the 90s and 00s, that show had more of my favourites than any other - six songs out of this poll's Top 10 in fact. This whole process has made me desperate to see him again.
― Get wolves (DL), Thursday, 12 July 2012 12:54 (eleven years ago) link
I have tickets to see him in Philadelphia in November. Ridiculously excited even though I'm afraid half the set will be Americana and new unreleased stuff.
― cwkiii, Thursday, 12 July 2012 12:58 (eleven years ago) link
And "Philadelphia," I'm guessing.
― clemenza, Thursday, 12 July 2012 13:00 (eleven years ago) link
holy shit i just read (ok, skimmed) through most of this and while there are things i would like to respond to, here are the highlights for ease of digestion:
1) sorry i missed this, i had more interesting things to say than the tiny little craplets i wrote to EZ, but thank you for posting (and possibly reading) my craplets2) Yeah this song doesn't do anything for me. "I love Ohio (the place) even if it is super duper fucked up" kind of a weird reason for voting it #1?
― boxall, Wednesday, July 11, 2012 11:55 AM (Yesterday) Bookmark
I can explain. First, I'm from Northeast Ohio. Not just from there, but have a complicated and many-tentacled relationship with the politics of the place. This poll happened to coincide with (as I have mentioned elsewhere) my sorting and scanning of a huge box of old photos. When I realized that a bunch of them were related to politics, I made a tumblr for them. Most of them are 70s, but I threw the 80s on the url in case I found more. http://campaigners70sand80s.tumblr.com/
In sum, NEOH is super duper fucked up but I love it in spite of that, which is one of my ways of loving things. I feel like Neil Young understands how poignant and painful this kind of love is. Not that "Ohio" the song exemplifies it, but I know he understands. This may or may not explain my reasoning, but my reasoning may or may not make sense and that alone is emblematic of the feelings (lol feelings) I have about NEOH.
Thank you clemenza and ilxors for the opportunity to yap about my favorite NY songs -- I'm not sure any one person would have been able to handle this conversation alone because it would have been very very boring.
― nicest bitch of poster (La Lechera), Thursday, 12 July 2012 13:27 (eleven years ago) link
This button, an overstuffed suitcase with "JAR" on the tag referred to James A Rhodes, the governor at the time of the Kent State shootings.
From wiki
During a press conference at the Kent firehouse, an emotional Governor Rhodes pounded on the desk[17] and called the student protesters un-American, referring to them as revolutionaries set on destroying higher education in Ohio. "We've seen here at the city of Kent especially, probably the most vicious form of campus oriented violence yet perpetrated by dissident groups. They make definite plans of burning, destroying, and throwing rocks at police, and at the National Guard and the Highway Patrol. This is when we're going to use every part of the law enforcement agency of Ohio to drive them out of Kent. We are going to eradicate the problem. We're not going to treat the symptoms. And these people just move from one campus to the other and terrorize the community. They're worse than the brown shirts and the communist element and also the night riders and the vigilantes", Rhodes said. "They're the worst type of people that we harbor in America. Now I want to say this. They are not going to take over [the] campus. I think that we're up against the strongest, well-trained, militant, revolutionary group that has ever assembled in America."[18] Rhodes can be heard in the recording of his speech yelling and pounding his fists on the desk.[19][20]
http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m6ab8dtCxJ1rzge1ho1_500.jpg
― nicest bitch of poster (La Lechera), Thursday, 12 July 2012 13:34 (eleven years ago) link
love the photos (and their rudimentary captions)
― Ismael Klata, Thursday, 12 July 2012 13:34 (eleven years ago) link
thanks!
― nicest bitch of poster (La Lechera), Thursday, 12 July 2012 13:35 (eleven years ago) link
'they're worse than the brown shirts' - what does this mean?
― Ismael Klata, Thursday, 12 July 2012 13:36 (eleven years ago) link
nazis
― nicest bitch of poster (La Lechera), Thursday, 12 July 2012 13:38 (eleven years ago) link
classy guy, huh? the pin was a reference to the frequent call for Rhodes to "pack [your] bags"
― nicest bitch of poster (La Lechera), Thursday, 12 July 2012 13:41 (eleven years ago) link
Fantastic photos, La Lechera--and yes, the man-sits-in-chair captions. Are these family photos, or did you come by them some other way?
― clemenza, Thursday, 12 July 2012 13:42 (eleven years ago) link
Assuming that there's very little cross-pollination between googlers interested in Ohio politics and this thread, the former. There's more to say but I don't really want to put it here. I kind of like to keep it "here are some fun and happy political people from Ohio in the 70s" neutral.
― nicest bitch of poster (La Lechera), Thursday, 12 July 2012 13:45 (eleven years ago) link
Not to worry--even Liza Minnelli made an appearance in this thread. (Oh wait, that was my doing...)
― clemenza, Thursday, 12 July 2012 13:53 (eleven years ago) link
Welcome back La Lechera! I didn't post your ballot if you want it on here for posterity.
― EZ Snappin, Thursday, 12 July 2012 13:53 (eleven years ago) link
Here it is if anyone cares/for posterity
1 Ohio2 Helpless3 Lotta Love (Neil's version, not Nicolette's)4 Cowgirl in the Sand5 Expecting to Fly6 Don't Cry No Tears7 Danger Bird8 Cortez the Killer 9 Powderfinger10 Albuquerque
11 Running Dry12 Harvest Moon13 Tired Eyes14 Old Man15 Heart of Gold16 Like a Hurricane17 Rockin in the Free World18 Wrecking Ball19 Harvest20 Bad Fog of Loneliness
21 When Your Lonely Heart Breaks22 Mellow My Mind23 Barstool Blues24 Slip Away25 Revolution Blues26 Pocahontas27 On the Beach28 Down by the River29 Don't Let it Bring You Down30 When You Dance I Can Really Love
31 Razor Love32 A Man Needs a Maid33 Pardon My Heart34 See the Sky About to Rain35 Loose Change36 Prisoners of Rock and Roll
― nicest bitch of poster (La Lechera), Thursday, 12 July 2012 13:55 (eleven years ago) link
Emperor of Wyoming dope choice buzza
― Euler, Thursday, 12 July 2012 14:28 (eleven years ago) link
That is a very cool set of photos and explanation, not that you owed me/us one - thanks. xps
― boxall, Thursday, 12 July 2012 14:29 (eleven years ago) link
xposting I'd be shocked if "Americana" played much of a part of the upcoming Crazy Horse tour. But maybe the unreleased (maybe never to be released?) other album will. Per Young, " [the tour] is going to be [songs from] the past, the present and the future."
― Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 12 July 2012 14:50 (eleven years ago) link
I wouldn't mind a few songs from Americana but if he busts out the unreleased 20+ minute jam and it doesn't deliver I'm gonna be bummed!
― cwkiii, Thursday, 12 July 2012 16:43 (eleven years ago) link
Pretty obsessed with Jesus' Chariot on Americana. I wish this was the version of She'll Be Coming Round the Mountain that comes out of my daughter's toy 20 times a day.
― Get wolves (DL), Thursday, 12 July 2012 16:45 (eleven years ago) link
Here's my ballot:
Mr. Soul (Mono) - Archives Vol. 1Everbody Knows This Is Nowhere - Everybody's Knows this Is NowwhereDown by the River - LIve at the FillmoreCowgirl in the Sand - LIve at the FilmoreOn the Way Home - Live at Massey HallI'm the Ocean - Mirror BallDreamin' Man - Harvest MoonRockin' the Free World - FreedomToo Far Gone - Chrome Dreams version (unreleased)Comes a Time - Comes a TimeWill to Love - American Stars n Bars/Chrome DreamsWinterlong - DecadeTonights' the Night - Tonight's the NightCome on Baby Let's Go Downtown - Tonight's the NightAlbuquerque - Tonight's the NightMellow My Mind - Tonight's the NIghtTired Eyes - Tonight's the NightDon't Cry No Tears - ZumaBarstool Blues - ZumaCortez the Killer - ZumaRevolution Blues - On the BeachFor the Turnstiles - On the BeachOut on the Weekend - HarvestHeart of Gold - HarvestOld Man - HarvestMansion on the Hill - Ragged GloryMy My Hey Hey - Into the Black - Rust Never SleepsThrasher - Rust Never SleepsPocohontas - Rust Never SleepsPowderfinger - Rust Never SleepsSedan Delivery - Rust Never SleepsPushed it Over the End - Citizen Kane Junior BluesHippie Dream - Landing on WaterTransformer Man - TransTime Fades Away - Time Fades AwayHelpless - DecadeLike a Hurricane - American Stars n BarsI've Loved Her So Long - ArchivesShots - Re Ac TorWorld on A String - Tonights't the Night
― wack nerd zinging in the dead of night (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 12 July 2012 17:08 (eleven years ago) link
Yeah "Jesus' Chariot" is the best song on that record
xpost
― cwkiii, Thursday, 12 July 2012 17:11 (eleven years ago) link
glad to see too far gone showing up on some ballots. kind of a perfect song imo. otm about the chrome dreams version being superior. the 76 live renditions are great toohttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZJ9AV7C7EX8
― tylerw, Thursday, 12 July 2012 17:14 (eleven years ago) link
I would have voted for Clementine from Americana if I knew about it. That is absolutely killer.
― kornrulez6969, Thursday, 12 July 2012 17:25 (eleven years ago) link
^^My last cut.
― Don't Feel Like Santana, But Oye Como Va To Them (C. Grisso/McCain), Thursday, 12 July 2012 17:29 (eleven years ago) link
really did not expect quite so much Thrasher love but i've always been into that one. In 1981 i spent tenth grade in Israel on a kibbutz and a few classmates were Canadians and Neil was our classes' go-to fave for singalongs and late night listening. I useda listen to RNS all the time for awhile there and Thrasher in particular always meant a lot on account of the fact that the lyrics, while kinda obtuse or impenetrable maybe, def seemed Zionistic considering our circumstances. i'm no Zionist these days but Neil still rules....
― making plans for nyquil (outdoor_miner), Thursday, 12 July 2012 20:38 (eleven years ago) link