The Melvins def aren't shy with that stuff tho
http://www.popsike.eu/pix/20081202/150313668169.jpg
― some dude nights (Whiney G. Weingarten), Friday, 6 July 2012 18:43 (eleven years ago) link
http://i.imgur.com/jHNgZ.jpg
xp
― Temporarily Famous In The Czech Republic (ShariVari), Friday, 6 July 2012 18:44 (eleven years ago) link
oh Melvinspaws
― I see you, Pineapple Teef (DJP), Friday, 6 July 2012 18:46 (eleven years ago) link
this is the page you want for the SS totenkopf
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/3rd_SS_Division_Totenkopf
― contenderizer, Friday, 6 July 2012 18:46 (eleven years ago) link
one diff between Slayer's use of fascist iconography & Death In June's is that Slayer's interest probably ends at the water's edge, so to speak. Images that are associated with widespread death & cruelty & horrific human behavior are badass; they have the ability to elicit a reaction just by being there, and that reaction is one of fear & revulsion, and that's wicked. That is a sort of metal mindset. Death In June have an almost identical position backed up by a lot of intellectual foofaraw about symbols & iconography & the distance between artist & narrator, some of which has some pith to it but much of which ends up at "there is something totally wicked about fascist iconography"
imo
― perry en concrète (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Friday, 6 July 2012 18:46 (eleven years ago) link
but most dudes who pretend the resonance they're copping from these symbols isn't largely or wholly due to the symbols having been adopted by the nazis, those dudes are posing. sure boyd, it's just that you find the swastika interesting, has nothing to do with hitler
― perry en concrète (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Friday, 6 July 2012 18:48 (eleven years ago) link
"they're the good swastikas"
― some dude nights (Whiney G. Weingarten), Friday, 6 July 2012 18:49 (eleven years ago) link
love you, melvins, but a giant fucking swastika ranks high among the things i do not want on my turntable
― contenderizer, Friday, 6 July 2012 18:49 (eleven years ago) link
people finding something interesting/controversial in transgression? well, I never!
― hot sauce delivery device (mh), Friday, 6 July 2012 18:50 (eleven years ago) link
xpost picture discs sound like shit anyway
― some dude nights (Whiney G. Weingarten), Friday, 6 July 2012 18:50 (eleven years ago) link
I have a couple of swastika cufflinks that I found in a theatre drawer. Don't think I would ever wear them, obv.
― windborne grey frogs (dowd), Friday, 6 July 2012 18:51 (eleven years ago) link
The distinction between a "Nazi band" and a "band that has consistently, unapologetically used Nazi themes in their artwork and lyrics because they think it's cool" is sufficiently small for me not to waste much time thinking about.
― Temporarily Famous In The Czech Republic (ShariVari), Friday, 6 July 2012 19:02 (eleven years ago) link
Not that i have ever bought the idea that's where Slayer's interest in the far-right ends.
― Temporarily Famous In The Czech Republic (ShariVari), Friday, 6 July 2012 19:05 (eleven years ago) link
when i was a young stoner, i had a picture of ron asheton in a nazi uniform on my wall -
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_cEScrKlFg24/SWa9--f-4tI/AAAAAAAAALk/RYqQn4i33YM/s400/229715159_l.jpg
- yeah, that one, and an SS totenkopf sticker on my (homemade) bong. the asheton picture came from a copy of metallic K.O. and the sticker came from i dunno where. someone gave it to me, i think. i didn't even know what it meant. can only imagine what people thought...
― contenderizer, Friday, 6 July 2012 19:07 (eleven years ago) link
― Temporarily Famous In The Czech Republic (ShariVari), Friday, July 6, 2012 3:02 PM (5 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
Yeah there's no difference between Quentin Tarantino and Leni Riefenstahl either
― some dude nights (Whiney G. Weingarten), Friday, 6 July 2012 19:09 (eleven years ago) link
You don't think spending an entire career doing it puts them on the Riefenstahl end of the spectrum?
― Temporarily Famous In The Czech Republic (ShariVari), Friday, 6 July 2012 19:11 (eleven years ago) link
thoughts on lemmy?
― Philip Nunez, Friday, 6 July 2012 19:13 (eleven years ago) link
i'd say that it's worth making a considered allowance for bands - like, say, laibach - who consistently and unapologetically use nazi themes in their artwork in order to make interesting art
― contenderizer, Friday, 6 July 2012 19:14 (eleven years ago) link
Absolutely, but Laibach parody authoritarianism, they don't fetishise it.
― Temporarily Famous In The Czech Republic (ShariVari), Friday, 6 July 2012 19:15 (eleven years ago) link
"laibach and think of slovenia"10 results (0.07 seconds)
― dis civilization and its contents (nakhchivan), Friday, 6 July 2012 19:16 (eleven years ago) link
lol
― contenderizer, Friday, 6 July 2012 19:16 (eleven years ago) link
Detractors have accused Death in June of harboring neo-Nazi sympathies. Pearce has said, "At the start of the eighties, Tony and I were involved in radical left politics and beneath it history students. In search of a political view for the future we came across National Bolshevism which is closely connected with the Sturmabteilung hierarchy. People like Gregor Strasser and Ernst Röhm who were later known as 'second revolutionaries' attracted our attention."[11] The Sturmabteilung (Stormtroopers) were a paramilitary unit of the Nazi Party (NSDAP), and Strasser and Röhm were Nazi leaders who vyed for Adolf Hitler's power.
Protests have been staged and some performances have been cancelled due to these accusations.[12] Justification for the cancellations stem from strong aversions to the Nazi inspired symbolism of Death in June coupled with an interpretation of select lyrics as containing deliberate Third Reich-era imagery and tropes. When questioned about his interest in the Third Reich, Pearce responded:"I've an interest in all aspects of the Third Reich. It has had such a huge influence on the world, who could fail to be intrigued by it? However, I've still read more pages of Das Kapital than Mein Kampf!"[13]
lol, paging jonah goldberg
― goole, Friday, 6 July 2012 19:21 (eleven years ago) link
Nazis ruined swastikas for everybody too
You'll still find swastikas in Asia
― Love Max Ophüls of us all (Michael White), Friday, 6 July 2012 19:30 (eleven years ago) link
Is there a thread where anybody's posting about how butthurt ppl got by Chris Rock's tweet on July 4th?
― Love Max Ophüls of us all (Michael White), Friday, 6 July 2012 19:31 (eleven years ago) link
what did he say?
― I see you, Pineapple Teef (DJP), Friday, 6 July 2012 19:32 (eleven years ago) link
卍
― puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Friday, 6 July 2012 19:33 (eleven years ago) link
http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/entertainment/2012/07/chris-rock-fires-up-controversy-with-fourth-of-july-tweet/
Chris Rock’s July Fourth tweet has some people in a decidedly un-celebratory mood. On Wednesday, the comedian tweeted, “Happy white peoples independence day the slaves weren’t free but I’m sure they enjoyed fireworks.”
hahahahahahahaha
― I see you, Pineapple Teef (DJP), Friday, 6 July 2012 19:33 (eleven years ago) link
http://cbsnewyork.files.wordpress.com/2012/07/chris-rock-tweet.jpg%3Fw%3D420%26h%3D316people being easily wound up there
I wonder when @chrisrock became so mean-spirited? Or has he always been and I’ve just not noticed. Color means NOTHING to me.”
― Authorities don't know who shot the 50 Cent the goose. (forksclovetofu), Friday, 6 July 2012 19:34 (eleven years ago) link
chris rock otm
― contenderizer, Friday, 6 July 2012 19:36 (eleven years ago) link
i mean, i know i enjoyed the fireworks
On what grounds are people taking offence? That seems like a pretty straight statement of fact.
― Temporarily Famous In The Czech Republic (ShariVari), Friday, 6 July 2012 19:37 (eleven years ago) link
who is the deeply stupid person who said this
xp: people are taking offense because they are racists, basically
― I see you, Pineapple Teef (DJP), Friday, 6 July 2012 19:38 (eleven years ago) link
we should just stop now this will only end in an explainer letting us know exactly when fireworks became synonymous with independence day
― lag∞n, Friday, 6 July 2012 19:39 (eleven years ago) link
but say if you did want to see some more racist tweets i cant stop you from clicking on this link http://www.egotripland.com/chris-rock-4th-july-twitter
wouldve been a better joke imho if he just left it at 'happy white peoples independence day'
― lag∞n, Friday, 6 July 2012 19:40 (eleven years ago) link
aren't you white
― puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Friday, 6 July 2012 19:41 (eleven years ago) link
several religious groups straight up replaced the swastika with different symbols iirc (which makes it extremely annoying when dumb teenagers get it tattooed on themselves bc OPEN YOUR MIND MAN IT HAS A TOTALLY DIFFERENT MEANING MAN)
― of family bonds and individual triumph. Narrated by Tim Allen, (zachlyon), Friday, 6 July 2012 19:42 (eleven years ago) link
teenagers all talk like 70s stoners imo
color means nothing to me xp
― lag∞n, Friday, 6 July 2012 19:42 (eleven years ago) link
buddhism has def not abandoned the swastika
― lag∞n, Friday, 6 July 2012 19:45 (eleven years ago) link
On what grounds are people taking offence?
When you see the pious, reverential way that Bachmann et al treat the 'founding fathers', largely as a way to 'prove' the providential nature of this republic, you'll understand that anything less than wholehaearted hagiographic treatment of the revoltionary period and its actors is 'hating America' regardless of the fact that the American Revolution was a disaster for Blacks and Indians and it certainly doesn't help that Jefferson's hugest blunder in the Declaration of Independence was accusing the Crown of:
He has excited domestic insurrections amongst us, and has endeavoured to bring on the inhabitants of our frontiers, the merciless Indian Savages whose known rule of warfare, is an undistinguished destruction of all ages, sexes and conditions.
But, nonetheless, God was guiding our deist forefather (who, incidentally defaced the New Testament).
― Love Max Ophüls of us all (Michael White), Friday, 6 July 2012 19:45 (eleven years ago) link
@chrisrockEli Whitney invented the cotton gin so we didn’t need your lazy asses anymore.Still don’t.
what
― of family bonds and individual triumph. Narrated by Tim Allen, (zachlyon), Friday, 6 July 2012 19:47 (eleven years ago) link
I kind of respect Buddhists for not replacing the swastika. It's a calm way of saying that Hitler doesn't get to win.
― Love Max Ophüls of us all (Michael White), Friday, 6 July 2012 19:47 (eleven years ago) link
@chrisrockEli Whitney invented the cotton gin so we didn’t need your lazy asses anymore.
Obv someone who dozed through his HS history class. If anything, the cotton gin made slavery more lucrative.
― Love Max Ophüls of us all (Michael White), Friday, 6 July 2012 19:48 (eleven years ago) link
you dipshits have a whole month!
Are we sure some of those aren't just straight-up, adolescent wind-up trolling?
― Love Max Ophüls of us all (Michael White), Friday, 6 July 2012 19:50 (eleven years ago) link
are we sure we need to repost these here?
― I see you, Pineapple Teef (DJP), Friday, 6 July 2012 19:51 (eleven years ago) link
― Love Max Ophüls of us all (Michael White), Friday, July 6, 2012 3:47 PM (40 seconds ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
hindus too
hitler, nazis, etc just didnt have as big an impact in asia and arent nearly the cultural touchstone they are in the west is a big part of it imho - but also ya these symbols arent something its considered that you just go changing all willy nilly
― lag∞n, Friday, 6 July 2012 19:51 (eleven years ago) link
I can't quite bring myself to admire the Swastika Laundry of Ballsbridge, Dublin for not abandoning the name /logo until the 1980s though.
http://i.imgur.com/3AiyP.jpg
― Temporarily Famous In The Czech Republic (ShariVari), Friday, 6 July 2012 19:51 (eleven years ago) link
yeah I don't really want to read these (xposts)
can we just terminate every multicellular life form and start anew?
― mississippi joan hart (crüt), Friday, 6 July 2012 19:51 (eleven years ago) link
Not at all, but I genuinely get confused sometimes when I read stupid shit on the net and wonder and it is the thread...
― Love Max Ophüls of us all (Michael White), Friday, 6 July 2012 19:52 (eleven years ago) link