~~~~~nutrition nazis 2012~~~~~

we have an (inadvertent) bag of chips in the house and it's just the best and the worst

anyway does anybody know what happens when you mix high GI and low GI foods? I read somewhere the overall effect is that of eating the equiv. of medium GI food. wondering if that's how asians avoid diabetes!

yeah i was talking to a friend last night who just got back from a couple of weeks visiting family and she said she'd forgotten how many people just have pantries stuffed with easy food like chips and crackers and granola bars, etc, food you don't have to do anything to, just take out of the bag/box and eat. i seriously have none of that food in my house (because nutrition nazi). unless fruit counts as easy food.

i totally had poutine and beer for dinner last night though.
everything in moderation!
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well, the rule i have learned is that if you're going to eat something like white rice, always eat it with protein, fat and fibre/vegetables. basically always eat carbs with protein at the very least, not alone. as a regular, non-athlete person.

yeah that makes sense. who eats white rice by itself? jeez

i think some people just eat it with vegetables, no protein or fat
or yknow, pasta with tomato sauce, toast with jam, etc

I've been experimenting with green smoothies in my Vitamix but every time I include celery (in most green smoothie recipes), I don't like the taste. Too, uh, 'green.'

Thinking about ditching celery for extra spinach/kale, unless I'm missing something special about celery?

celery has a punchy taste, I would ditch it and maybe add carrots instead?

okay that's not green, go with the extra spinach

Carrots would be good, I think. I'll try that next time.

been doing this lately:

bunch of spinach
green apple or pear
scoop of flax seeds
scoop of unflavored whey protein
cucumber
whatever else is around that sounds interesting

white (jasmine) rice is not even a little bad for you! i am chief of the brown rice patrol, but the health benefits of jasmine are basically equivalent to much of the brown that I eat, and it cooks more quickly and doesn't tend to overwhelm a lot of the delicate sauceys I make

I pretty much only eat brown rice now -- I didn't know that jasmine was as beneficial!

yeah wow that's great. doubly so because it is the best white rice, imo.

what's good about it? i'm making brown jasmine right now.

harbl, overachiever.

Super interesting series of 3 short videos from Dr. Michael Greger's excellent nutritionfacts.org site about bacterial endotoxins & saturated fat. Its been known for a couple of decades that meals with saturated fat cause arterial inflammation, leading to cholesterol plaque deposition and thence heart attacks and strokes. Turns out the main culprit may not be the fat itself, but cooking resistant bacterial toxins in the meat/cheese that are transported through the intestinal wall in the presence of saturated fats:

1: The Leaky Gut Theory of Why Animal Products Cause Inflammation
2: The Exogenous Endotoxin Theory
3: Dead Meat Bacteria Endotoxemia

http://opinionator.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/07/24/more-on-milk/
http://opinionator.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/07/07/got-milk-you-dont-need-it/

mr bittman is becoming more and more of a NN by day

I've already quit milk but thinking about totally quitting cheeses + ice cream + dairy creamer too now

(Worth noting: they’re far more easily digested as yogurt or cheese than as fluid milk.)

oh good, sometimes people look at me like I am crazy when I tell them liquid milk gives me heartburn but cheese is no big deal. Not crazy!

his argument for everyone reducing milk intake seems to be "some people are lactose intolerant".

i know there are serious arguments for everyone to reduce milk intake, but he doesn't make them. his argument is like saying we should stop telling people to walk to work because some people only have one leg.

hidden in there is what he's actually saying, and which all his own argument supports, which is "I do think that on the basis of what appears to be widespread experience anyone with chronic heartburn or any of the other ailments mentioned above would be missing an opportunity if he or she didn’t give a nondairy diet a shot."

ban milk

I know that i feel p shitty after having coffee with creamer, al though I do feel a different kind of shitty drinking black coffee on an empty stomach

but w/ the way milk is marketed in the US and how being lactose intolerant makes you feel like you have a green horn growing from your school Im glad somebody is stepping up to fight big dairy!

yeah it sounds like there are historical milk issues at play over there

"from your school" I meant 'from your head'

although it's not surprising that I associate milk w/ school, I was fed bags of milk from grades 1-12, it was the standard drink issued

although fwiw saying things like "1½ pounds by weight", which is *absolutely meaningless* but is clearly included to appal/shock, makes me think he's being deliberately misleading or doesn't know very much about nutrition

note: i like his recipes

http://i.imgur.com/kZFpV.jpg

I had only read 1/3 of the article when I posted before, the rest of the article was spot-on to my experience, except I hate going to doctors so I just googled & found that coffee with milk can be heartburny. I've noticed that milk with sugar added (I used to drink coffee with both) was what really got me. I switched to soy cream for my coffee and almond milk for smoothies and almost never get heartburn, unless I eat something REALLY cheesy or something like cheesecake/ice cream. But I avoid those 90% of the time.

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thank you for saving coffee

Newly minted doctors in the U.S. typicaly don't get even the 25 hours of nutrition training recommended by the National Academy of Sciences, and what they do get is focused on acute deficiency syndromes. Ie, any curious layperson can learn more about nutrition than their physician's formal training with only a few weeks of study, much as any curious layperson can learn more about their particular disease than non-specialist physician might know with modest effort.

So its not terribly surprising that few people with potentially dairy related disorders don't receive the simple advice of trying a dairy-free diet for a few weeks.

This video lecture by John McDougall runs a bit long, but its a nice introduction to some of the health issues associated with dairy consumption. Nutritionfacts.org has 50+ better referenced short videos on current/recent research related to dairy.

my mom works at a hospital (not as a doctor) but hangs out with doctor friends. when she told them she had stopped drinking milk on my advice they looked at her as if she had a third eye

how many eyes does she have?

Ahem. ^^ ... few people with potentially dairy related disorders receive the simple advice ...

two, actually

I took a science-oriented nutrition 101 course when I was in community college. It met the criteria for one of my science credits, along with bio 101. When I tried to transfer that course to another school, I received a reply to the effect of "this institution does not accept transfers of weight-loss or physical education classes for course credit".

http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b01lxyzc/Horizon_20122013_Eat_Fast_and_Live_Longer/

lots of nn relevant stuff

at the suggestion of a coworker (who is very sarcastic and said "it changed my life") i read why we get fat by gary taubes. it says eat less carbs. now i don't know what to eat for breakfast because i am not eating bacon and eggs every day. really i am eating bacon on no days. guess i'll keep eating carbs. i need to buy a new blender so i can make kale drinks.

I'm dubious that "its the carbs". One need only look at early photography to recognize that a 50%-70% starch diet wasn't causing much obesity (the 19th century American diet was largely porridge, potatoes, whiskey, and bread). The same can be said of many developing nations.

Not the first or last time I've recommended this, but Robert.Lustig's Suger the bitter truth lecture really makes a compelling case that it's not the carbs, but the fructose.

ok

harbl why dont u eat some slow carbs in the morning like oatmeal u will feel full all morning without riding bloodsugar roller coaster

but check how u feel after???????????? but r u carb sensitive? do u digest oatmeal okay?>

nocarb mornings are easy to get used to after about a week. protein+fat has more options than bacon and eggs too dude;

also there are recipes for no grain oatmeal that are basically a mush of nuts + flax + cashew butter + almonds other nuts too pumpkin seeds. good replacement if u can't eat oats. NO GRAIN LIFESTYLE ONLY GRASS I EAT IS GRASSFED CATTLE.

this week i have been eating one container of plain 2% greek yogurt, a serving of fruit, and a small handful of walnuts. i feel like it's been a huge improvement, i wasn't telling all my coworkers it was lunchtime at 11:20 like i usually do. i was still working after they started eating lunch! i was eating uncooked oatmeal, milk, fruit, and walnuts before.

actually i didn't get so hungry on the oats but i had to eat a lot. before that i would usually have either whole grain toast and a yogurt or 10-grain cereal and being hungry way before lunch was a thing all the time. i didn't eat any grains monday or tuesday but then i had some pita bread at dinner last night after some beers. i think i can get into the no grain lifestyle though.

I read some complicated article about why a lot of ppl get so hungry so quickly after breakfast, and why it's ok to not eat breakfast, but it was to do with hormones and insulin and I don't even know if it's reliable. But it made me feel better about not being a breakfast eater.

i never eat breakfast during the work week

there's a variation on intermittent fasting that skips breakfast and pushes lunch late - so that if you have dinner by 8PM and lunch at 1PM, you're fasting 17 hours but sleeping for (presumably) almost half that.

right that brand of IF is identified with that leangains guy nowadays at least with strength conditioning messageboard people

cool program because it's just so simple to follow and you immediately remove thinkijng about feeding yourself from most of the day's thoughtprocessing. but i think a lot of what he has to say might qualify as "broscience" and most of the benefit is just hard to eat calories over maint in a small window especially on lowcarb whole foods

coconut milk, yea or nay? it's obv fatty, but my research is conflicted about whether even a reduced fat version is good/bad.