http://cdn.theatlantic.com/static/infocus/tat070512/s_t32_RTR31P4P.jpg
― Authorities don't know who shot the 50 Cent the goose. (forksclovetofu), Thursday, 5 July 2012 21:41 (eleven years ago) link
lol, not intended as a response to your post dan. just pretty amazing.
― Authorities don't know who shot the 50 Cent the goose. (forksclovetofu), Thursday, 5 July 2012 21:42 (eleven years ago) link
as i have often attempted to inhabit the mind of a southern plantation owner in my astral projections, i can say that 'olympic running away speed' is the last trait i would select for.
― Philip Nunez, Thursday, 5 July 2012 21:46 (eleven years ago) link
i am curious though if pol pot inadvertantly cured astigmatism for a generation.
― Philip Nunez, Thursday, 5 July 2012 21:47 (eleven years ago) link
I was about to take this conversation in a direction where I would have offended MYSELF
― I see you, Pineapple Teef (DJP), Thursday, 5 July 2012 21:48 (eleven years ago) link
The Michael Johnson quote is like exactly like what got Jimmy the Greek fired 25 years ago!
― some dude nights (Whiney G. Weingarten), Thursday, 5 July 2012 21:49 (eleven years ago) link
malcolm gladwell has a good rebuttal to the 'genetic advantage' argument. quandary!
― Philip Nunez, Thursday, 5 July 2012 21:56 (eleven years ago) link
Michael Johnson is presenting a documentary in the UK on this theory. It hasn't shown yet so not drawing any further conclusions but just to put it in context, that was why doubtless why he was asked about it, he didn't just come out with that reply out of nowhere.
― if, Thursday, 5 July 2012 22:09 (eleven years ago) link
it has shown now
link to gladwell's rebuttal?
― killer camel beej (cozen), Thursday, 5 July 2012 22:26 (eleven years ago) link
y'know, I wonder how the evolving field of epigenetics relates to michael johnson's theory
― now all my posts got ship in it (dayo), Thursday, 5 July 2012 22:37 (eleven years ago) link
http://www.gladwell.com/1997/1997_05_19_a_sports.htm
like most things gladwell, i think it's good in that it's likely true, and a breezy read.
― Philip Nunez, Thursday, 5 July 2012 22:39 (eleven years ago) link
breezy and headspinning both
― contenderizer, Thursday, 5 July 2012 23:15 (eleven years ago) link
bringing it all back to our "wwii re-enactor" friend:
http://brnewsblog.brandrepublic.com/2012/07/03/topshop-sells-t-shirt-featuring-nazi-ss-logo/
― goat news for people who love boat news (how's life), Friday, 6 July 2012 02:21 (eleven years ago) link
like most things gladwell, I found it self-contradictory, and sort of glib.
but yeah, the whole genetic athleticism thing is pretty widespread. i don't think it's racist (although it opens that door), but it sort of flies in the face of a fair amount of science, and i can see as a myth how it's sort of comforting and empowering in a certain way -- like dan sez, romantic. strength through adversity, etc.
― s.clover, Friday, 6 July 2012 02:24 (eleven years ago) link
xp I'm guessing that shirt arose when some design intern google image searched "skull and crossbones" and picked something cool-looking to trace in illustrator
― "Holy crap," I mutter, as he gently taps my area (silby), Friday, 6 July 2012 02:28 (eleven years ago) link
guys, gladwell is reductive and the points he makes are usually reasonable but never really supported scientifically by his "evidence". dude is an anecdote-seller and iirc took tobacco lobby cash at one point
― hot sauce delivery device (mh), Friday, 6 July 2012 04:03 (eleven years ago) link
none of that has much to do with this piece, though. which i think is interesting and a fairly engaging read. i like the way he leads you toward certain conclusions, then undercuts them, keeping his larger point in doubt.
― contenderizer, Friday, 6 July 2012 04:07 (eleven years ago) link
That TopShop SS thing made me think of that Mitchell and Webb skit. "are we... the BAD GUYS?"
― Pureed Moods (Trayce), Friday, 6 July 2012 04:55 (eleven years ago) link
Seems entirely in-keeping with Slayer's aesthetic - to the point where i'm wondering whether it's not a reproduction of one of their own designs. Topshop are idiots for carrying anything connected to the daft Nazi fetishists in the first place.
― Temporarily Famous In The Czech Republic (ShariVari), Friday, 6 July 2012 05:27 (eleven years ago) link
yah tbh i would have had no idea it was explicitly the SS skull and crossbones (as opposed to, like, every other cliched S&C?)
― Pureed Moods (Trayce), Friday, 6 July 2012 07:06 (eleven years ago) link
i have an old fuct johnny cash t shirt i bought over a decade ago with that skull on it... the wwii re-enactor i sometimes work with pointed out the source with glee and i don't wear it anymore.
― Call Surgeon General C. Everett Koop. Poo-poo-pa-doop. (stevie), Friday, 6 July 2012 07:12 (eleven years ago) link
http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51VwebD70TL._SL500_AA300_.jpg
Different company sells the same design as a computer skin.
― Temporarily Famous In The Czech Republic (ShariVari), Friday, 6 July 2012 07:34 (eleven years ago) link
That's the exact same image that Death in June used on a lot of their stuff and no-one ever accused them of being nazis oh wait
― gonna send him to outer space, to hug another face (NickB), Friday, 6 July 2012 08:00 (eleven years ago) link
sorry,, I thought it would be apparent to many here that Slayer is a band who have been known to have troubling problem with nazi iconography. The weird thing to me is that the article doesn't make any mention of the band Slayer.
― goat news for people who love boat news (how's life), Friday, 6 July 2012 08:22 (eleven years ago) link
To everyone involved here, Slayer is just "a design", "a motif".
― goat news for people who love boat news (how's life), Friday, 6 July 2012 08:24 (eleven years ago) link
I'd be pretty surprised if anyone putting a Slayer logo on a shirt didn't know about their consistent use of Nazi imagery, tbh. The management might not have but the designers of the shirt surely would.
― Temporarily Famous In The Czech Republic (ShariVari), Friday, 6 July 2012 08:31 (eleven years ago) link
always felt like that skull was a little too cuet to be effective SS iconography
its expression says it just wants everyone to be cool
― if you are a false nine don't entry (DJ Mencap), Friday, 6 July 2012 08:48 (eleven years ago) link
heh, now that you mention it, it kinda reminds me of
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YdvAuzIheFU
― goat news for people who love boat news (how's life), Friday, 6 July 2012 09:00 (eleven years ago) link
Wal-Mart got in trouble a few years back for selling Totenkopf shirts. It was one of the reasons I quit reading The Consumerist. It felt like their day was- Totenkopf shirt at Alexandria, Virginia Wal-Mart (122nd Wal-Mart found to sell shirt)- Cell phone pic shows clearance price tag with a three cent discount- Best Buy asked me to check my receipt when I left the store with a swimming pool-sized TV- Cell phone pic showing a three-pack of peanut butter with a higher per unit price than a single jar of peanut butter- Totenkopf shirt at Lesotho, Ohio Wal-Mart (123rd Wal-Mart found to sell shirt)- Best Buy tried to sell me a bad warranty
― chupacabra seeds (Abbbottt), Friday, 6 July 2012 17:43 (eleven years ago) link
the wiki page for totenkopf is worth a read
― dis civilization and its contents (nakhchivan), Friday, 6 July 2012 17:44 (eleven years ago) link
btw, Death in June have definitely dealt with a good deal of controversy over their use of Nazi imagery: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_in_June#Controversy . and that's only the tip of the iceberg.
― Sophomore subs are the new Smith lesbians. (the table is the table), Friday, 6 July 2012 17:47 (eleven years ago) link
I think you missed the "oh wait" at the end of NickB's post
― I see you, Pineapple Teef (DJP), Friday, 6 July 2012 17:52 (eleven years ago) link
ah so! sorry nickb, i am overly caffeinated.
― Sophomore subs are the new Smith lesbians. (the table is the table), Friday, 6 July 2012 18:01 (eleven years ago) link
Totenkopfs predate the Nazis, though, right? Weren't they worn by some Prussian cavalry unit back in Frederick the Great's time?
― Love Max Ophüls of us all (Michael White), Friday, 6 July 2012 18:15 (eleven years ago) link
Nazis ruined swastikas for everybody too
― "Holy crap," I mutter, as he gently taps my area (silby), Friday, 6 July 2012 18:25 (eleven years ago) link
xp, yes but i think the one Slayer use is specifically an SS variation on the theme.
― Temporarily Famous In The Czech Republic (ShariVari), Friday, 6 July 2012 18:36 (eleven years ago) link
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Totenkopf
the Wikipedia page specifically mentions Death In June, Laibach and The Melvins, but nothing about Slayer
― I see you, Pineapple Teef (DJP), Friday, 6 July 2012 18:41 (eleven years ago) link
The Melvins def aren't shy with that stuff tho
http://www.popsike.eu/pix/20081202/150313668169.jpg
― some dude nights (Whiney G. Weingarten), Friday, 6 July 2012 18:43 (eleven years ago) link
http://i.imgur.com/jHNgZ.jpg
xp
― Temporarily Famous In The Czech Republic (ShariVari), Friday, 6 July 2012 18:44 (eleven years ago) link
oh Melvinspaws
― I see you, Pineapple Teef (DJP), Friday, 6 July 2012 18:46 (eleven years ago) link
this is the page you want for the SS totenkopf
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/3rd_SS_Division_Totenkopf
― contenderizer, Friday, 6 July 2012 18:46 (eleven years ago) link
one diff between Slayer's use of fascist iconography & Death In June's is that Slayer's interest probably ends at the water's edge, so to speak. Images that are associated with widespread death & cruelty & horrific human behavior are badass; they have the ability to elicit a reaction just by being there, and that reaction is one of fear & revulsion, and that's wicked. That is a sort of metal mindset. Death In June have an almost identical position backed up by a lot of intellectual foofaraw about symbols & iconography & the distance between artist & narrator, some of which has some pith to it but much of which ends up at "there is something totally wicked about fascist iconography"
imo
― perry en concrète (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Friday, 6 July 2012 18:46 (eleven years ago) link
but most dudes who pretend the resonance they're copping from these symbols isn't largely or wholly due to the symbols having been adopted by the nazis, those dudes are posing. sure boyd, it's just that you find the swastika interesting, has nothing to do with hitler
― perry en concrète (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Friday, 6 July 2012 18:48 (eleven years ago) link
"they're the good swastikas"
― some dude nights (Whiney G. Weingarten), Friday, 6 July 2012 18:49 (eleven years ago) link
love you, melvins, but a giant fucking swastika ranks high among the things i do not want on my turntable
― contenderizer, Friday, 6 July 2012 18:49 (eleven years ago) link
people finding something interesting/controversial in transgression? well, I never!
― hot sauce delivery device (mh), Friday, 6 July 2012 18:50 (eleven years ago) link
xpost picture discs sound like shit anyway
― some dude nights (Whiney G. Weingarten), Friday, 6 July 2012 18:50 (eleven years ago) link
I have a couple of swastika cufflinks that I found in a theatre drawer. Don't think I would ever wear them, obv.
― windborne grey frogs (dowd), Friday, 6 July 2012 18:51 (eleven years ago) link
The distinction between a "Nazi band" and a "band that has consistently, unapologetically used Nazi themes in their artwork and lyrics because they think it's cool" is sufficiently small for me not to waste much time thinking about.
― Temporarily Famous In The Czech Republic (ShariVari), Friday, 6 July 2012 19:02 (eleven years ago) link
Not that i have ever bought the idea that's where Slayer's interest in the far-right ends.
― Temporarily Famous In The Czech Republic (ShariVari), Friday, 6 July 2012 19:05 (eleven years ago) link