Spotify - anyone heard of it?

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Downside is loads more ads (I've heard two during the same album), but you can hear them coming after a while and tune out. Still great.

chord simple (j.o.n.a), Tuesday, 20 January 2009 15:51 (6 years ago) Permalink

thanks Chewshabadoo but I need an invitation code.

Please!

kaiser, Tuesday, 20 January 2009 19:55 (6 years ago) Permalink

If i hear gareth jones from cardiff reciting pi again i'll scream

Pfunkboy Formerly Known As... (Herman G. Neuname), Tuesday, 20 January 2009 19:56 (6 years ago) Permalink

(advert)

Pfunkboy Formerly Known As... (Herman G. Neuname), Tuesday, 20 January 2009 19:57 (6 years ago) Permalink

And I'm not buying that White Lies record either.

Beloved lightbulb (Neil S), Tuesday, 20 January 2009 20:15 (6 years ago) Permalink

At least it doesn't scrobble the adverts

Pfunkboy Formerly Known As... (Herman G. Neuname), Tuesday, 20 January 2009 20:19 (6 years ago) Permalink

jonathan from spotify sounds remarkably like Michael Vaughan

Pfunkboy Formerly Known As... (Herman G. Neuname), Tuesday, 20 January 2009 20:41 (6 years ago) Permalink

wtf 2 adverts in a row (the 2nd was for that White Lies album)

Pfunkboy Formerly Known As... (Herman G. Neuname), Tuesday, 20 January 2009 20:41 (6 years ago) Permalink

See what I mean about them? The Killers meet Editors big wowz!

Beloved lightbulb (Neil S), Tuesday, 20 January 2009 20:44 (6 years ago) Permalink

can i get a spotify invite

dugong.jpg (jabba hands), Tuesday, 20 January 2009 23:03 (6 years ago) Permalink

thanks Chewshabadoo but I need an invitation code.

Please!

― kaiser, Tuesday, January 20, 2009 7:55 PM (3 hours ago) Bookmark

can i get a spotify invite

― dugong.jpg (jabba hands), Tuesday, January 20, 2009 11:03 PM (19 minutes ago) Bookmark

Have any of you actually tried the link posted? Quite a few of my friends in the UK have used the link and joined today. Maybe it doesn't work in other countries...

\o.0/

Chewshabadoo, Tuesday, 20 January 2009 23:25 (6 years ago) Permalink

I'm in the US and that link asks for one of two things:

1)an invite code

or

2)your email address so they can notify you when it goes "public"

I wonder what their excuse is. Don't they want more people to hear their stupid ads?

I am a vampire, therefore I take garlic pills (Bimble), Tuesday, 20 January 2009 23:28 (6 years ago) Permalink

is it UK only?

Pfunkboy Formerly Known As... (Herman G. Neuname), Tuesday, 20 January 2009 23:28 (6 years ago) Permalink

mr bimble check your email

Pfunkboy Formerly Known As... (Herman G. Neuname), Tuesday, 20 January 2009 23:30 (6 years ago) Permalink

It's odd and a fucking pain how Spotify often doesn't specify that tracks are remixes in any way.

Glansel & Gretel (Raw Patrick), Tuesday, 20 January 2009 23:32 (6 years ago) Permalink

i'm in the US and unless something changed in the last few days, we can't use spotify and all the workarounds have been blocked

miss precious perfect (musically), Wednesday, 21 January 2009 00:22 (6 years ago) Permalink

2)your email address so they can notify you when it goes "public"

I selected this a couple of weeks ago, and got an invite from them within the same day. May not be the case now, of course.

anatol_merklich, Friday, 23 January 2009 06:25 (6 years ago) Permalink

https://www.spotify.com/en/get-started/ gets you straight in without an invite.

mike t-diva, Friday, 23 January 2009 07:08 (6 years ago) Permalink

I went in on that link above, no trouble at all. I'm in the UK tho - maybe there's a problem with the US, I dunno.

It's awesome, btw. Nearest thing to the "universal jukebox" I've seen for a long time.

NotEnough, Friday, 23 January 2009 08:50 (6 years ago) Permalink

I think it's staggering. At least 95% of my track/artist searches to date have returned results. And I like the concept of shared playlists.

mike t-diva, Friday, 23 January 2009 09:01 (6 years ago) Permalink

Spotify Premium is available in Estonia, Finland, France, Germany, Italy, The Netherlands, Norway, Poland, Portugal, Sweden, Spain and the UK. The Free version is only available in Sweden, Norway, Finland, the UK, France and Spain.

It amuses me to see the adverts briefly appear in last.fm (and permanently in your Spotify history).

chord simple (j.o.n.a), Friday, 23 January 2009 09:09 (6 years ago) Permalink

This is impressive. There's a lot more weird, small stuff on than I thought there would be, thopugh also mystifying gaps too.

Someone should set up a shared ILX playlist for Jan (then we can move to Feb etc to stop it getting unwieldy). I'll do it tonight if no-one else does.

Glansel & Gretel (Raw Patrick), Friday, 23 January 2009 09:13 (6 years ago) Permalink

Excellent idea. I was thinking of doing one for the Pazz & Jop Top 50 singles, and maybe the Rocktimists poll tracks as well. But it'll have to wait until tonight.

mike t-diva, Friday, 23 January 2009 09:31 (6 years ago) Permalink

Gaps spotted so far: no King Crimson, very little UK Funky, no Aeroplane mix of Grace Jones "Williams Blood" (although their mix of Friendly Fires "Paris" is on there). Remixes are generally well represented, though.

mike t-diva, Friday, 23 January 2009 09:36 (6 years ago) Permalink

Remixes are generally well represented, though.

But not always listed as remixes, I've found. And they don't scrobble as remixes (sorry, I'll take that to the last.fm thread)

chord simple (j.o.n.a), Friday, 23 January 2009 09:41 (6 years ago) Permalink

I also like the non-bloatiness: the software was running at around 14,000k on my home PC last night - so I could close iTunes for once, and benefit from the faster performance.

mike t-diva, Friday, 23 January 2009 09:45 (6 years ago) Permalink

I hope this thing a) goes global so the US can use it b) they make a mobile/iphone app c) ushers in a new era of music use.

I confidently predict big 4 will put a stop to it.

NotEnough, Friday, 23 January 2009 09:51 (6 years ago) Permalink

All the majors have signed up in europe, though. I suppose it's whether the US ones are far-sighted enough.

It's also notable that most of the big digital music holdout bands aren't represented- no Beatles, Metallica, AC/DC.

Beloved lightbulb (Neil S), Friday, 23 January 2009 09:59 (6 years ago) Permalink

Every Stones album is there though, yay!

Another thing I've noticed is that the service avoids any queueing problems, as you occasionally get on, say, last.fm.

Beloved lightbulb (Neil S), Friday, 23 January 2009 10:01 (6 years ago) Permalink

Last.fm is screwed unless they can come up with something as wide ranging as this.

Billy Dods, Friday, 23 January 2009 10:45 (6 years ago) Permalink

The DJ Khaled selection is spotty and Denim aren't on there either.

I do like the way that you get to see all the crummy compilation albums that bands appear on. If you pick someone like The Sweet it takes about 5 mins to scroll through them all.

Glansel & Gretel (Raw Patrick), Friday, 23 January 2009 10:49 (6 years ago) Permalink

How on earth are they going to make any money out of this model? I can only imagine that once they've got a critical mass of people using it, they're going to radically increase the amount of advertising.

Zelda Zonk, Friday, 23 January 2009 12:29 (6 years ago) Permalink

That and premium subs I guess.

zero learnt from nero (Neil S), Friday, 23 January 2009 12:42 (6 years ago) Permalink

At the moment, the advertising is pretty unobtrusive so I can't see why anyone would want to be a paying subscriber. Which is why I'm guessing they'll up the advertising once they get enough people hooked.

Zelda Zonk, Friday, 23 January 2009 12:47 (6 years ago) Permalink

Indeed, at the moment the advertising is infrequent enough not to annoy but I'm sur it'll increase in frequency. Service is good but not quite thorough enough, some bizarre gaps in artist's discographies e.g most of Sparks 70's output and their most recent work but little from the 80s/90s. Once they can plug those gaps, get on board the digital refuseniks and most importantly provide a mobile service then £10 a month would be very tempting.

Billy Dods, Friday, 23 January 2009 12:57 (6 years ago) Permalink

Getting enough people hooked should mean they don't have to up the advertising - advertisers will simply pay more for a bigger audience.

Maybe if they get enough people hooked they'll be able to offer ad-free for £4.99 instead of £9.99.

I wonder how much artists are paid through this. We could have weekly campaigns where we all play obscure tracks from some almost forgotten band so they get surprise royalty cheques.

I do like the way that you get to see all the crummy compilation albums that bands appear on

So true - the other night I found myself marvelling at how many "a tribute to" albums Sigue Sigue Sputnik have appeared on (from memory: NiN, Soft Cell, Smashing Pumpkins, Madonna, KMFDM, Prince...) - who keeps asking them?

onimo, Friday, 23 January 2009 12:59 (6 years ago) Permalink

We could have weekly campaigns where we all play obscure tracks from some almost forgotten band so they get surprise royalty cheques.

Or those bands could just set up a computer with their songs on repeat!

Glansel & Gretel (Raw Patrick), Friday, 23 January 2009 13:15 (6 years ago) Permalink

I wonder how much artists are paid through this

Maybe, John D could answer. Hopefully I made him a few cents when I listened to 'Palmcorder Yajna' earlier this week.

Billy Dods, Friday, 23 January 2009 13:54 (6 years ago) Permalink

Well last.fm's royalty rate is $0.0005 per play, and presumably something similar in Europe too.

zero learnt from nero (Neil S), Friday, 23 January 2009 14:08 (6 years ago) Permalink

So a million plays required for a measly $500? I don't think mobilising the ILM masses will be enough to get J0hn D that rockstar mansion.

onimo, Friday, 23 January 2009 14:13 (6 years ago) Permalink

I didn't think that the artist would get much from each play but $0.0005 is shockingly low.

Billy Dods, Friday, 23 January 2009 14:48 (6 years ago) Permalink

My guess is that record company gets half a cent and the artist get 10%.

NotEnough, Friday, 23 January 2009 15:16 (6 years ago) Permalink

Here's a collaborative ILX playlist. just click on the link to get it going. I've called it ILX Feb 09 coz January is nearly over. Have at it.

Glansel & Gretel (Raw Patrick), Friday, 23 January 2009 19:26 (6 years ago) Permalink

Here's the Pazz & Jop Top 100 singles list. Only 10 tracks are missing.

mike t-diva, Saturday, 24 January 2009 18:03 (6 years ago) Permalink

both those links give me "playlist not found" ;_;

talk me down off the (ledge), Saturday, 24 January 2009 18:07 (6 years ago) Permalink

Me too any chance of a re-up?

zero learnt from nero (Neil S), Saturday, 24 January 2009 18:07 (6 years ago) Permalink

I've just re-checked, and both links are valid; indeed, I picked up Patrick's ILX playlist earlier today and added to it, and someone else has added to it since.

You have already got Spotify installed, yes?

mike t-diva, Saturday, 24 January 2009 18:20 (6 years ago) Permalink

no King Crimson

Eh? The first album I listened to on it was In The Court of the Crimson King!

Special topics: Disco, The Common Market (grimly fiendish), Saturday, 24 January 2009 18:21 (6 years ago) Permalink

x-post yeah all that's fine, it says "playlist not found" when the link prompts the software. Ah well.

zero learnt from nero (Neil S), Saturday, 24 January 2009 18:23 (6 years ago) Permalink

Yeh, I tried the Pazz and Job playlist just there and got "Playlist not found", too. (And, er, yes: I think most of us posting on the Spotify thread about how we use Spotify etc have got Spotify installed ;)

Special topics: Disco, The Common Market (grimly fiendish), Saturday, 24 January 2009 18:23 (6 years ago) Permalink

Should there be a dedicated thread for Apple music? This one feels dirty with all my spotify complaining.

Jeff, Tuesday, 30 June 2015 15:33 (1 week ago) Permalink

Jon you should start a separate thread for the Universal watermarks, you have been a great source of info on that

sleeve, Tuesday, 30 June 2015 15:35 (1 week ago) Permalink

also, yes to a separate Apple Music thread

sleeve, Tuesday, 30 June 2015 15:36 (1 week ago) Permalink

Apple Music

Jeff, Tuesday, 30 June 2015 15:57 (1 week ago) Permalink

official streaming versions are marred by universal music group watermarks. E.g. The steely dan catalog

wait what is this? I have never heard of this

― WE WANT FET WAP (Stevie D(eux)), Tuesday, June 30, 2015 11:31 AM (1 hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

in a nutshell because I have trouble typing much these days due to repetitive stress injury:

everything supplied to the digital domain (itunes, spotify, emusic, HDTracks, Amazon, etc) by all UMG labels (Decca, ECM, Motown, Arista, Geffen, etc) had this 'watermarking' in it which was supposed to be benign and inaudible but in fact was horribly audible especially on cymbals, acoustic guitars, pianos and backing vocals. Not sure of the exact mechanism but it sounds like a notch on a specific frequency that oscillates on and off. Basically makes certain vulnerable timbres sound underwatery. The tech was supposed to let UMG be able to tell where illegally shared files were originally purchased from. Laughably, the only place you could buy undistorted files was from UMG's own digital store.

Where UMG supplied lossless source files to the digital vendors (some of them work this way, I know emusic would get lossless files from UMG and then encode them), the watermarks were in those lossless files already.

Starting sometime in mid-2013, to my ear anyway, they either stopped this practice or switched to a new setting which really is inaudible. I have not heard the distortion on any UMG stuff added to the digital domain since about june 2013. (This includes new reissue/box set configurations of stuff they'd already put up in the watermark era)

That leaves an immense immense amount of catalog still sounding like shit, though. I have not done a relisten to things like Steely Dan in a while to see if maybe UMG did a mass reup of unwatermarked files. I guess I assumed they have not since it would be such a big task, but I should check.

Anyways, this has never been officially acknowledged by UMG or any digital vendor (I have to think the vendors were really angry), but AFAIC it's a fact. It was driving me crazy just by ear for about a year until I searched around online and found people with better tech skills than me who'd been hearing the same thing who'd figured it out.

demonic mnevice (Jon Lewis), Tuesday, 30 June 2015 17:24 (1 week ago) Permalink

just did a relisten to three UMG tracks which were definitely awful last time.

Steely Dan - Countdown to Ecstasy - My Old School - it's still evident on the backing vox and saxes when they have longer notes. Doesn't sound quite as hideous as I remember but it's there. Reminiscent of 128kbps mp3 compression. Unable to stop myself, I compared all the versions of this song on spotify. The ones from the Show Biz Kids and Definitive Steely Dan comps are the same. BUT the Citizen Steely Dan one sounds not watermarked to me...??? Maybe UMG only added the Citizen box set to the digital marketplace in the last 2 years? Moving on to "Your Gold Teeth II" with its exposed piano writing, the Citizen version sounds good, the Katy Lied version sounds horrible, really bad fluttering in the piano decay. I guess Citizen is the way to go for your steely dan needs on spotify!

James Newton Howard - King Kong film score - first track - unbelievably distorted. Sounds like it's being performed through a fan. As bad as I remembered.

Martha Argerich - Schumann: Kinderszenen and Kreisleriana - first track of Kreisleriana - unlistenably fluttery just like before, dear god shut it off please

Conclusion based on tiny sample size: most of the watermarked shit has not been re-upped, maybe none of it (but the Citizen Steely Dan case intrigues -- I need to figure out when it was brought to the digital domain)

demonic mnevice (Jon Lewis), Tuesday, 30 June 2015 18:27 (1 week ago) Permalink

it's this kind of confusion that makes me miss the old mp3 days

calstars, Wednesday, 1 July 2015 01:16 (6 days ago) Permalink


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