Spotify - anyone heard of it?

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Think there's still a waiting list though.

<3 this service btw.

Beloved lightbulb (Neil S), Tuesday, 20 January 2009 14:50 (6 years ago) Permalink

Got in straight away with the link I posted.

Chewshabadoo, Tuesday, 20 January 2009 15:08 (6 years ago) Permalink

Aha they've obviously opened it up!

Beloved lightbulb (Neil S), Tuesday, 20 January 2009 15:23 (6 years ago) Permalink

Downside is loads more ads (I've heard two during the same album), but you can hear them coming after a while and tune out. Still great.

chord simple (j.o.n.a), Tuesday, 20 January 2009 15:51 (6 years ago) Permalink

thanks Chewshabadoo but I need an invitation code.

Please!

kaiser, Tuesday, 20 January 2009 19:55 (6 years ago) Permalink

If i hear gareth jones from cardiff reciting pi again i'll scream

Pfunkboy Formerly Known As... (Herman G. Neuname), Tuesday, 20 January 2009 19:56 (6 years ago) Permalink

(advert)

Pfunkboy Formerly Known As... (Herman G. Neuname), Tuesday, 20 January 2009 19:57 (6 years ago) Permalink

And I'm not buying that White Lies record either.

Beloved lightbulb (Neil S), Tuesday, 20 January 2009 20:15 (6 years ago) Permalink

At least it doesn't scrobble the adverts

Pfunkboy Formerly Known As... (Herman G. Neuname), Tuesday, 20 January 2009 20:19 (6 years ago) Permalink

jonathan from spotify sounds remarkably like Michael Vaughan

Pfunkboy Formerly Known As... (Herman G. Neuname), Tuesday, 20 January 2009 20:41 (6 years ago) Permalink

wtf 2 adverts in a row (the 2nd was for that White Lies album)

Pfunkboy Formerly Known As... (Herman G. Neuname), Tuesday, 20 January 2009 20:41 (6 years ago) Permalink

See what I mean about them? The Killers meet Editors big wowz!

Beloved lightbulb (Neil S), Tuesday, 20 January 2009 20:44 (6 years ago) Permalink

can i get a spotify invite

dugong.jpg (jabba hands), Tuesday, 20 January 2009 23:03 (6 years ago) Permalink

thanks Chewshabadoo but I need an invitation code.

Please!

― kaiser, Tuesday, January 20, 2009 7:55 PM (3 hours ago) Bookmark

can i get a spotify invite

― dugong.jpg (jabba hands), Tuesday, January 20, 2009 11:03 PM (19 minutes ago) Bookmark

Have any of you actually tried the link posted? Quite a few of my friends in the UK have used the link and joined today. Maybe it doesn't work in other countries...

\o.0/

Chewshabadoo, Tuesday, 20 January 2009 23:25 (6 years ago) Permalink

I'm in the US and that link asks for one of two things:

1)an invite code

or

2)your email address so they can notify you when it goes "public"

I wonder what their excuse is. Don't they want more people to hear their stupid ads?

I am a vampire, therefore I take garlic pills (Bimble), Tuesday, 20 January 2009 23:28 (6 years ago) Permalink

is it UK only?

Pfunkboy Formerly Known As... (Herman G. Neuname), Tuesday, 20 January 2009 23:28 (6 years ago) Permalink

mr bimble check your email

Pfunkboy Formerly Known As... (Herman G. Neuname), Tuesday, 20 January 2009 23:30 (6 years ago) Permalink

It's odd and a fucking pain how Spotify often doesn't specify that tracks are remixes in any way.

Glansel & Gretel (Raw Patrick), Tuesday, 20 January 2009 23:32 (6 years ago) Permalink

i'm in the US and unless something changed in the last few days, we can't use spotify and all the workarounds have been blocked

miss precious perfect (musically), Wednesday, 21 January 2009 00:22 (6 years ago) Permalink

2)your email address so they can notify you when it goes "public"

I selected this a couple of weeks ago, and got an invite from them within the same day. May not be the case now, of course.

anatol_merklich, Friday, 23 January 2009 06:25 (6 years ago) Permalink

https://www.spotify.com/en/get-started/ gets you straight in without an invite.

mike t-diva, Friday, 23 January 2009 07:08 (6 years ago) Permalink

I went in on that link above, no trouble at all. I'm in the UK tho - maybe there's a problem with the US, I dunno.

It's awesome, btw. Nearest thing to the "universal jukebox" I've seen for a long time.

NotEnough, Friday, 23 January 2009 08:50 (6 years ago) Permalink

I think it's staggering. At least 95% of my track/artist searches to date have returned results. And I like the concept of shared playlists.

mike t-diva, Friday, 23 January 2009 09:01 (6 years ago) Permalink

Spotify Premium is available in Estonia, Finland, France, Germany, Italy, The Netherlands, Norway, Poland, Portugal, Sweden, Spain and the UK. The Free version is only available in Sweden, Norway, Finland, the UK, France and Spain.

It amuses me to see the adverts briefly appear in last.fm (and permanently in your Spotify history).

chord simple (j.o.n.a), Friday, 23 January 2009 09:09 (6 years ago) Permalink

This is impressive. There's a lot more weird, small stuff on than I thought there would be, thopugh also mystifying gaps too.

Someone should set up a shared ILX playlist for Jan (then we can move to Feb etc to stop it getting unwieldy). I'll do it tonight if no-one else does.

Glansel & Gretel (Raw Patrick), Friday, 23 January 2009 09:13 (6 years ago) Permalink

Excellent idea. I was thinking of doing one for the Pazz & Jop Top 50 singles, and maybe the Rocktimists poll tracks as well. But it'll have to wait until tonight.

mike t-diva, Friday, 23 January 2009 09:31 (6 years ago) Permalink

Gaps spotted so far: no King Crimson, very little UK Funky, no Aeroplane mix of Grace Jones "Williams Blood" (although their mix of Friendly Fires "Paris" is on there). Remixes are generally well represented, though.

mike t-diva, Friday, 23 January 2009 09:36 (6 years ago) Permalink

Remixes are generally well represented, though.

But not always listed as remixes, I've found. And they don't scrobble as remixes (sorry, I'll take that to the last.fm thread)

chord simple (j.o.n.a), Friday, 23 January 2009 09:41 (6 years ago) Permalink

I also like the non-bloatiness: the software was running at around 14,000k on my home PC last night - so I could close iTunes for once, and benefit from the faster performance.

mike t-diva, Friday, 23 January 2009 09:45 (6 years ago) Permalink

I hope this thing a) goes global so the US can use it b) they make a mobile/iphone app c) ushers in a new era of music use.

I confidently predict big 4 will put a stop to it.

NotEnough, Friday, 23 January 2009 09:51 (6 years ago) Permalink

All the majors have signed up in europe, though. I suppose it's whether the US ones are far-sighted enough.

It's also notable that most of the big digital music holdout bands aren't represented- no Beatles, Metallica, AC/DC.

Beloved lightbulb (Neil S), Friday, 23 January 2009 09:59 (6 years ago) Permalink

Every Stones album is there though, yay!

Another thing I've noticed is that the service avoids any queueing problems, as you occasionally get on, say, last.fm.

Beloved lightbulb (Neil S), Friday, 23 January 2009 10:01 (6 years ago) Permalink

Last.fm is screwed unless they can come up with something as wide ranging as this.

Billy Dods, Friday, 23 January 2009 10:45 (6 years ago) Permalink

The DJ Khaled selection is spotty and Denim aren't on there either.

I do like the way that you get to see all the crummy compilation albums that bands appear on. If you pick someone like The Sweet it takes about 5 mins to scroll through them all.

Glansel & Gretel (Raw Patrick), Friday, 23 January 2009 10:49 (6 years ago) Permalink

How on earth are they going to make any money out of this model? I can only imagine that once they've got a critical mass of people using it, they're going to radically increase the amount of advertising.

Zelda Zonk, Friday, 23 January 2009 12:29 (6 years ago) Permalink

That and premium subs I guess.

zero learnt from nero (Neil S), Friday, 23 January 2009 12:42 (6 years ago) Permalink

At the moment, the advertising is pretty unobtrusive so I can't see why anyone would want to be a paying subscriber. Which is why I'm guessing they'll up the advertising once they get enough people hooked.

Zelda Zonk, Friday, 23 January 2009 12:47 (6 years ago) Permalink

Indeed, at the moment the advertising is infrequent enough not to annoy but I'm sur it'll increase in frequency. Service is good but not quite thorough enough, some bizarre gaps in artist's discographies e.g most of Sparks 70's output and their most recent work but little from the 80s/90s. Once they can plug those gaps, get on board the digital refuseniks and most importantly provide a mobile service then £10 a month would be very tempting.

Billy Dods, Friday, 23 January 2009 12:57 (6 years ago) Permalink

Getting enough people hooked should mean they don't have to up the advertising - advertisers will simply pay more for a bigger audience.

Maybe if they get enough people hooked they'll be able to offer ad-free for £4.99 instead of £9.99.

I wonder how much artists are paid through this. We could have weekly campaigns where we all play obscure tracks from some almost forgotten band so they get surprise royalty cheques.

I do like the way that you get to see all the crummy compilation albums that bands appear on

So true - the other night I found myself marvelling at how many "a tribute to" albums Sigue Sigue Sputnik have appeared on (from memory: NiN, Soft Cell, Smashing Pumpkins, Madonna, KMFDM, Prince...) - who keeps asking them?

onimo, Friday, 23 January 2009 12:59 (6 years ago) Permalink

We could have weekly campaigns where we all play obscure tracks from some almost forgotten band so they get surprise royalty cheques.

Or those bands could just set up a computer with their songs on repeat!

Glansel & Gretel (Raw Patrick), Friday, 23 January 2009 13:15 (6 years ago) Permalink

I wonder how much artists are paid through this

Maybe, John D could answer. Hopefully I made him a few cents when I listened to 'Palmcorder Yajna' earlier this week.

Billy Dods, Friday, 23 January 2009 13:54 (6 years ago) Permalink

Well last.fm's royalty rate is $0.0005 per play, and presumably something similar in Europe too.

zero learnt from nero (Neil S), Friday, 23 January 2009 14:08 (6 years ago) Permalink

So a million plays required for a measly $500? I don't think mobilising the ILM masses will be enough to get J0hn D that rockstar mansion.

onimo, Friday, 23 January 2009 14:13 (6 years ago) Permalink

I didn't think that the artist would get much from each play but $0.0005 is shockingly low.

Billy Dods, Friday, 23 January 2009 14:48 (6 years ago) Permalink

My guess is that record company gets half a cent and the artist get 10%.

NotEnough, Friday, 23 January 2009 15:16 (6 years ago) Permalink

Here's a collaborative ILX playlist. just click on the link to get it going. I've called it ILX Feb 09 coz January is nearly over. Have at it.

Glansel & Gretel (Raw Patrick), Friday, 23 January 2009 19:26 (6 years ago) Permalink

Here's the Pazz & Jop Top 100 singles list. Only 10 tracks are missing.

mike t-diva, Saturday, 24 January 2009 18:03 (6 years ago) Permalink

both those links give me "playlist not found" ;_;

talk me down off the (ledge), Saturday, 24 January 2009 18:07 (6 years ago) Permalink

Me too any chance of a re-up?

zero learnt from nero (Neil S), Saturday, 24 January 2009 18:07 (6 years ago) Permalink

I've just re-checked, and both links are valid; indeed, I picked up Patrick's ILX playlist earlier today and added to it, and someone else has added to it since.

You have already got Spotify installed, yes?

mike t-diva, Saturday, 24 January 2009 18:20 (6 years ago) Permalink

There's a very basic error early in that piece, in that Aloe Blacc's vaunted (anti-vaunted) $4000 was from Pandora, not Spotify. The Spotify royalties from that volume of streams would have been somewhere around $1,200,000. At this point "Wake Me Up" has generated 370m streams on Spotify, for over $2.5m in royalties. From just one streaming service. That's a pretty qualitative difference.

But the longer the piece goes on, the more balanced it becomes. Worth reading to the end.

glenn mcdonald, Tuesday, 28 July 2015 00:45 (14 hours ago) Permalink

you're right that the 4k number comes from pandora, but it was also aloe blacc's share of the songwriting royalties (split by three people) for "Wake Me Up." Your $2.5m number is based on the estimated mechanical royalty rate to performers. according to this: http://thetrichordist.com/2014/11/12/the-streaming-price-bible-spotify-youtube-and-what-1-million-plays-means-to-you/ the songwriting royalty rate is closer to 0.000521, but just as you're using .006 for the mechanical, we'll bump it up to .0006 for the songwriting.

370m streams = $222,000 in songwriting royalties
222,000/3 = $74,000

still a qualitative difference from the 4k but not nearly as extreme as 4k to 2.5m

da croupier, Tuesday, 28 July 2015 01:12 (14 hours ago) Permalink

xposts p sure ol' neil pulling streams had approx zero impact on gross plays per user (why because #whodafuqisneilyoung?)

resulting post (rogermexico.), Tuesday, 28 July 2015 01:16 (14 hours ago) Permalink

Whoops, "mechanical" royalty is meant to describe the songwriting royalty not the performer. Not that it changes the issue (songwriters still get the smaller rate) but I didn't mean to confuse things further

da croupier, Tuesday, 28 July 2015 01:24 (13 hours ago) Permalink

Spotify's published .006-.0084 range (which I usually simplify to .007 for estimation purposes) is for total royalties, of which 21% goes to the songwriters (publishing) and 79% to the performers (mechanical), by US regulation. So that's $544,000 songwriting royalties and about $2m performer royalties for 370m streams. Blacc sang on "Wake Me Up", as well as co-writing it, so I would assume he gets some share of both parts, but that depends on his deal.

glenn mcdonald, Tuesday, 28 July 2015 02:26 (12 hours ago) Permalink

do you have a link to somewhere re the 21/79 split? i can't seem to find that number anywhere

da croupier, Tuesday, 28 July 2015 02:38 (12 hours ago) Permalink

ha, missed this - 19 Entertainment is suing spotify re: its alleged equity stake in spotify

http://www.billboard.com/articles/business/6605841/sonys-spotify-equity-artist-royalties-lawsuit-breakage

part of why i find it so frustrating when the streaming side describes that lump perofmer royalty as going to the "rights holders" and then acting like it's up the label what happens next, is that they're ignoring the large advances (and alleged equity stakes) given to the major labels. while it's true spotify/apple/etc didn't invent the byzantine accounting that leads to major label artists seeing so little of that amount, they're not being transparent about how they've aided the major labels in making money artists can never hope to see a dime of.

da croupier, Tuesday, 28 July 2015 02:44 (12 hours ago) Permalink

gah typos. 19 Entertainment is suing SONY re equity. and spotify is acting like its up to the label what happens next

da croupier, Tuesday, 28 July 2015 02:45 (12 hours ago) Permalink

from the suit by 19 ent

"Each of the major record labels also own an interest in Spotify," states the amended complaint. "On information and belief, those other record labels have engaged in the same self-dealing as Sony with respect to the diversion of payments to them, and the below market streaming royalty rates to artists. Together, and individually, Sony and the other major record labels therefore have significant power to exert control over Spotify in order to not only dictate how revenue will be paid, but wrongfully and in bad faith divert money from royalties that must be shared to other forms of revenue that they can keep for themselves."

i definitely understand why spotify execs have gotten defensive about "middlemen" fucking up the relationship between them and artists - companies like sony extracted favored nation deals and just shrug innocently when its biggest artists complain or even back out - but it's still facetious to act like spotify is looking out FOR the artists when they give those deals

da croupier, Tuesday, 28 July 2015 02:56 (12 hours ago) Permalink

21% comes from http://www.spotifyartists.com/spotify-explained/#royalties-in-detail

But I said it wrong. Correct is "In the United States, for example, statutes dictate that publishers receive ~21% the amount that master recording owners receive." Not 21% of the whole.

So 5:1, not 4:1, and $.007 would break down into about .0058 for performers and .0012 for writers. 370m streams produces about $2.1m for performers and $450k for writers. Still, that publishing rate is approximately 20x the rate Blacc attributes to Pandora.

glenn mcdonald, Tuesday, 28 July 2015 02:58 (12 hours ago) Permalink


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