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SAY GEIR

How do you feel about jazz? Early jazz, with its overall simplicity and focus on hummable melody? Is Hard Bop, with its gospel influences and complex harmonies, worthy? What about fusion, with its comparative harmonic simplicity and return to simpler pop melodies?

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Monday, 30 April 2007 22:10 (sixteen years ago) link

And I don't think my first question is nonsensical at all, given that many folks believe that Rite of Spring ended the "classical" era: Christ, all them people in Paris went batshit at its debut, since it didn't sound "melodic" and was primitivist and shit…

Well, fair enough - I just meant that it's weird to talk about melody vs. dissonance as they aren't opposites, and there was plenty of neo-classicism after Rite of Spring (e.g. from Stravinsky himself), and there were plenty of earlier works that emphasized things other than melody. But I see what you're saying.

St3ve Go1db3rg, Monday, 30 April 2007 22:13 (sixteen years ago) link

but he never seems to say anything substantial about theory or classical music

OTM. the predictably parroted opinions are never backed up.

blueski, Monday, 30 April 2007 22:16 (sixteen years ago) link

I second NYC Native's question.

Jeff Treppel, Monday, 30 April 2007 22:18 (sixteen years ago) link

has this turned into a lex thread yet?

That one guy that quit, Monday, 30 April 2007 22:19 (sixteen years ago) link

I expect he has one of these already.

Brigadier Lethbridge-Pfunkboy, Monday, 30 April 2007 22:21 (sixteen years ago) link

Lex has never heard of Geir Hongro.

xpost

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Monday, 30 April 2007 22:21 (sixteen years ago) link

But the real important question is What are NYC native and Jeff's top 10 funk albums? ;)

Brigadier Lethbridge-Pfunkboy, Monday, 30 April 2007 22:22 (sixteen years ago) link

geir: who has contributed more to the advancement of music:

1. brian wilson
2. paul mccartney

fact checking cuz, Monday, 30 April 2007 22:26 (sixteen years ago) link

geir: what is the best chord change?

fact checking cuz, Monday, 30 April 2007 22:26 (sixteen years ago) link

geir: how many chords should a song have?

fact checking cuz, Monday, 30 April 2007 22:26 (sixteen years ago) link

geir: which is the better instrument, bass or guitar?

fact checking cuz, Monday, 30 April 2007 22:27 (sixteen years ago) link

geir: kick drum or snare?

fact checking cuz, Monday, 30 April 2007 22:27 (sixteen years ago) link

geir: melody or harmony?

fact checking cuz, Monday, 30 April 2007 22:27 (sixteen years ago) link

geir: bass clef or treble clef?

fact checking cuz, Monday, 30 April 2007 22:28 (sixteen years ago) link

Well shit, it's not fair if only Geir gets to answer.

Paul McCartney, iim7b5 -> I, at least four, guitar, snare, melody, and none of the above (alto clef).

St3ve Go1db3rg, Monday, 30 April 2007 22:29 (sixteen years ago) link

geir: veronica moser or st3ve go1db3rg?

fact checking cuz, Monday, 30 April 2007 22:29 (sixteen years ago) link

Well, I will have a degree in music composition soon, so I'd like to think I know a little bit. I'm just saying that it's weird how people talk about Geir like he represents this sort of caricatured academic classical musician or something but he never seems to say anything substantial about theory or classical music.

Please feel free to start a "Ask Steve Goldberg" thread, Steve Goldberg.

Pleasant Plains, Monday, 30 April 2007 22:29 (sixteen years ago) link

veronica moser: st3ve go1db3rg or geir?

fact checking cuz, Monday, 30 April 2007 22:29 (sixteen years ago) link

st3ve go1db3rg: geir or veronica moser?

fact checking cuz, Monday, 30 April 2007 22:30 (sixteen years ago) link

xpost to Brigadier:

I'm pretty much the whitest person amongst me and my friends, and we're all pretty white. Funk just doesn't do that much for me. But I have been inquiring at my local used CD store about Parliament-funkadelic records, and they assure me that they're going to have a bunch out during their big sale on May 23, so give me a few weeks. Sheesh. (On a funny side note, when I asked the clerk about said records, he told me that George Clinton had come in a few weeks ago looking really old and worn out, and it took him a couple seconds to realize who it was. Apparently he smokes LOT of crack [George Clinton, not the clerk].)

Jeff Treppel, Monday, 30 April 2007 22:30 (sixteen years ago) link

xpost

But that would be improper!

fact checking: st3v3 goldb3rg or geir?

St3ve Go1db3rg, Monday, 30 April 2007 22:30 (sixteen years ago) link

Paul McCartney, iim7b5 -> I, at least four, guitar, snare, melody, and none of the above (alto clef).

effort much appreciated. unfortunately, in this thread the only person who can grade your answers is geir. i will be of no use here.

fact checking cuz, Monday, 30 April 2007 22:31 (sixteen years ago) link

the only person who can grade your answers is geir

I hope he doesn't give me an F minor.

St3ve Go1db3rg, Monday, 30 April 2007 22:32 (sixteen years ago) link

(This is the greatest threat in the history of ever that I've looked at today)

Jeff Treppel, Monday, 30 April 2007 22:33 (sixteen years ago) link

(thread, not threat. But I supposed threat works too)

Jeff Treppel, Monday, 30 April 2007 22:33 (sixteen years ago) link

I used to get very frustrated by the rigidity of Geir's opinions and then trife was like "he just likes what he likes, why is everybody on ILM so uptite about that" and he was right - he doesn't hate hiphop, he's not an ignoramus. He just has very narrow tastes, which is no crime and is not even an aesthetic crime!

One could take him to task for the way he construes musical history in a rather uninteresting way (rise of melody - golden age of melody - decline of melody & onset of musical decadence: this is faulty model for describing the movements of culture, albeit a very popular one) but I no longer find his tastes offensive nor even particularly strange

Hans Rott, Monday, 30 April 2007 22:36 (sixteen years ago) link

aww man, i don't think he's playing ball…

Please contribute more to this thread, Msieu Hongro.

Veronica Moser, Monday, 30 April 2007 22:40 (sixteen years ago) link

Geir doesn't bother me. I'm honestly curious what his top 10 heavy metal albums are!

Jeff Treppel, Monday, 30 April 2007 22:41 (sixteen years ago) link

of course he's not playing ball - you're being incredibly condescending to him

Hans Rott, Monday, 30 April 2007 22:46 (sixteen years ago) link

Geir has been getting condescended to on the internet for over a decade now, and he remains very much in the game!

nabisco, Monday, 30 April 2007 22:50 (sixteen years ago) link

I have never had an issue with Geir. My question is an honest one that I could ask anyone who has gone on the record of having musical taste completely opposite of my own.

NYCNative, Monday, 30 April 2007 22:53 (sixteen years ago) link

nabisco you have a point!

Hans Rott, Monday, 30 April 2007 22:56 (sixteen years ago) link

you might even say he's......OTM!

M@tt He1ges0n, Monday, 30 April 2007 22:59 (sixteen years ago) link

it's 1 am in norway, i havent had time to put every ilm thread in a different safari tab and check through them all for geir activity but dude is probably asleeps

A B C, Monday, 30 April 2007 22:59 (sixteen years ago) link

So what is it that you don't like about his music/influence?

Minimalism, repetitiveness, way too few chords, way too little melody. And this goes for the early stuff too, although to a smaller extent.

However, the worst thing about James Brown isn't his music, but the fact that he is to blame for rap.

Geir: Name the top ten heavy metal albums of all time, please.

Depends on your definition, but if you count Van Halen, Def Leppard, Black Sabbath, Led Zeppeling and Deep Pruple as heavy metal, it would be fairly easy :)

what is the best chord change?

The more surprising, the better

how many chords should a song have?

The more the better, as long as they keep it tonal. Filthy dylan mentioned "Bohemian Rhapsody" and it's enormous number of chords, and that one's my favourite single ever. :)

which is the better instrument, bass or guitar?

Guitar is more useful. But keyboards beats both. :)

kick drum or snare?

I think I take a 4/4 disco beat rather than a Eurodance beat. So snare, then :)

geir: melody or harmony?

They belong together, but I'd pick melody if I have to choose.

What are your favorite Nickelback lyrics?

Probably none of them

Geir Hongro, Monday, 30 April 2007 23:14 (sixteen years ago) link

Geir: Name the top ten heavy metal albums of all time, please.
Depends on your definition, but if you count Van Halen, Def Leppard, Black Sabbath, Led Zeppeling and Deep Pruple as heavy metal, it would be fairly easy :)
In the grand Chuck Eddy tradition, metal is what you make of it. So bearing that in mind, what are the Top Ten Metal albums of all time according to your definition of what is metal and what is not?

NYCNative, Monday, 30 April 2007 23:16 (sixteen years ago) link

"Geir has been getting condescended to on the internet for over a decade now, and he remains very much in the game!"

Precisely! he could have not answered at all, given that my cards 'o condescension were on the table up top. But he did. I'm also geniunely interested as to any answers he might offer.

I find it remarkable that he is always utterly unaffected (as far as one can tell over the netweb) and oddly polite, given the hostility, sarcasm, and, yup, condescension directed towards him here.

Veronica Moser, Monday, 30 April 2007 23:19 (sixteen years ago) link

Geir, what is your job?

JW, Monday, 30 April 2007 23:23 (sixteen years ago) link

Do you have a girlfriend/wife/boyfriend?

JW, Monday, 30 April 2007 23:23 (sixteen years ago) link

what is the best chord change?

The more surprising, the better


Surely you don't mean that literally, Geir? Especially considering your next answer comes with the qualifier "as long as they keep it tonal" - which is kind of a loaded statement in itself.

St3ve Go1db3rg, Monday, 30 April 2007 23:26 (sixteen years ago) link

Dear Geir,

Is it normal for a 25 yr old guy to only want to make love to me twice a week (every three days) . We have been married for two years and everytime i hint about it, he tells me he doesnt have bullets... its like he feels dry.... does anybody else have the same problem, or should i be lucky?

Z S, Monday, 30 April 2007 23:29 (sixteen years ago) link

So bearing that in mind, what are the Top Ten Metal albums of all time according to your definition of what is metal and what is not?

1. Van Halen
2. Hysteria
3. 2012
4. Pyromania
5. Caress Of Steel
6. 1984
7. Fly By Night
8. Deep Purple In Rock
9. Adrenalize
10.Led Zeppelin (4)

Surely you don't mean that literally, Geir? Especially considering your next answer comes with the qualifier "as long as they keep it tonal"

As long as every single one of the chords themselves are tonal, I stand by that.

Is it normal for a 25 yr old guy to only want to make love to me twice a week (every three days) . We have been married for two years and everytime i hint about it, he tells me he doesnt have bullets... its like he feels dry.... does anybody else have the same problem, or should i be lucky?

I guess you should ask as sexologist. :)

Geir Hongro, Monday, 30 April 2007 23:30 (sixteen years ago) link

a even

Geir Hongro, Monday, 30 April 2007 23:30 (sixteen years ago) link

As long as every single one of the chords themselves are tonal, I stand by that.

Chords can't be tonal, though - only chunks of music can be, and the notion of tonality itself is a little bit ambiguous. And by definition if you exceed seven chords you're not playing in just one key (like most classical music), and I know some of the stuff you like gets a little chromatic (60s pop and such), so I was wondering what you meant by those comments. Surely the "most surprising" chord change would be something totally non-diatonic and weird, and if all chord changes were really surprising you'd basically get atonality.

St3ve Go1db3rg, Monday, 30 April 2007 23:34 (sixteen years ago) link

Geir: Splendid! Taking it a step further are there any Black Metal bands you like? While it seems unlikely you would like any Death Metal, some of the Black Metal stuff might have enough melody in it to at least pique your interest, yes?

NYCNative, Monday, 30 April 2007 23:37 (sixteen years ago) link

Chords can't be tonal, though

OK, but not too dissonant then. Obviously, if you play 2-3 dissonant chords in a row it may be neccessary to follow them with a less dissonant one to keep the feeling of tonality.

But really, the chord changes I like best are more about modulations to surprising keys. My all-time favourite chord-change is the sudden and unprepared change from C-major to F-major at the start of the middle-eight in "From Me To You".

Geir Hongro, Monday, 30 April 2007 23:37 (sixteen years ago) link

Taking it a step further are there any Black Metal bands you like?

No. Unless you count Metallica as black metal ("Metallica" probably should have been in the list), but in their "fast" 80s they were more thrash/speed metal than black metal.

Geir Hongro, Monday, 30 April 2007 23:38 (sixteen years ago) link

I would imagine you were aware of the black metal/church burning/Mayhem/Count Grishnackh feud in the early '90s, GH. What were/are your impressions of that scandal? It would seem you wouldn't dig much of the music that came from that scene, but what do you think of Emperor?

Veronica Moser, Monday, 30 April 2007 23:39 (sixteen years ago) link

which is the better instrument, bass or guitar?
Guitar is more useful. But keyboards beats both. :)


do you ever wonder why brian wilson and paul mccartney -- hey you haven't answered that question yet, btw!!! -- both chose to play bass in their bands? (yes, i know they both play other instruments including your treasured keybs, but what do you make of their gravitating toward the bass?)

fact checking cuz, Monday, 30 April 2007 23:39 (sixteen years ago) link

he posted a few days ago!

fit and working again, Wednesday, 30 April 2014 06:17 (nine years ago) link

Where? I missed that!

Josefa, Wednesday, 30 April 2014 07:08 (nine years ago) link

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The GeirBot (Geir Hongro) wrote this on thread Britpop : Time For Reevaluation? on board I Love Music on Apr 26, 2014

fit and working again, Wednesday, 30 April 2014 07:11 (nine years ago) link

Ah, the Britpop thread. No wonder I didn't see it. Wasn't there any fanfare about his sudden return?

Josefa, Wednesday, 30 April 2014 07:12 (nine years ago) link

one year passes...

what are your favorite US/UK hit songs of the past 3 (or so) years? in your opinion, is the chartpop of 2010-2015 better or worse than the chartpop of 2005-2009?

scarlett bohansson (unregistered), Monday, 12 October 2015 18:53 (eight years ago) link

are there a lot of 9/11 truthers in Norway?

scarlett bohansson (unregistered), Monday, 12 October 2015 18:54 (eight years ago) link

I stopped posting on ILX for like five years, and within days of coming back I see this. It's almost touching!

J, Monday, 12 October 2015 19:05 (eight years ago) link

what are your favorite US/UK hit songs of the past 3 (or so) years? in your opinion, is the chartpop of 2010-2015 better or worse than the chartpop of 2005-2009?

The last first, I probably prefer 2005-2009 chartpop. Preferring electropop to that annoying put-your-hands-in-the-air-EDM

Been checking out chartpop way too little the past years, except noticing very much all that Avicii etc. stuff. The easy option would be "Where Are We Now?" by Bowie which was very, very, very good and also became a hit of sorts, but I guess picking old Bowie would almost be cheating. :)
That Daft Punk song is of course hard not to like, Lorde's "Royals" is sort of sticking. I always like whatever Coldplay put out, but they were still better in the 00s. Stretching it back to 2012 would also include Adele's "Skyfall". But kinda hard.

Would have been easier had "Flying in the Face of Love" by Neil Finn or "The Best Jewel Thief in the World" by Prefab Sprout had been chart hits. Which of course they weren't. :P

Obviously not the most famous Norwegian ones. The Nico & Vinz one was OK, I guess, but Kygo is quite annoying.

<i>are there a lot of 9/11 truthers in Norway?</i>

Probably not, but they are on the Net 24/7 discussing on Facebook whenever they are not "studiying" watching 4 hour-long home made videos on YouTube which "prove" Queen Elizabeth is secrectly a Jewish Catholic alien reptile from Naboo's Freemason society. Annoying people.

<i>Geir, why don't you like the more avant-garde end of prog like King Crimson, Van der Graaf Generator and Henry Cow?</i>

Too dissonant, you know.

Geir Do you think this band would interest you?

<i>Swedish band Ginger Trees is influenced by Porcupine Tree to Uriah Heep, Kula Shaker and Pink Floyd. Great melodies, especially in the vocals</i>

Could be. I largely use the "related acts" feature on Spotify to discover new music these days.

<i>geir you're in a large courtyard. to your left is a castle surrounded by a moat. a path leads north towards mountains. a fountain in the centre of the courtyard contains a skeleton. what do you do?</i>

Kill the goblin

<i>Geir, which part of "Good Vibrations" do you prefer: choruses or verses?</i>

Chorus and bridge.

<i>Geir, have you seen this movie?:</i>

No. Probably horrible like all movies directed by Wam & Vennerød. :P

<i>Geir, what is the earliest song or album that you would classify as Britpop?</i>

Probably the La's, give that The Stone Roses were really not, not entirely.

As for earliest proto-Britpop song, "Please Please Me"

The GeirBot (Geir Hongro), Tuesday, 13 October 2015 00:06 (eight years ago) link

good to see you back, geir

Rainham area Rilke (nakhchivan), Tuesday, 13 October 2015 00:25 (eight years ago) link

Been a while. Didn't remember the formatting even. :P

The GeirBot (Geir Hongro), Tuesday, 13 October 2015 00:26 (eight years ago) link

do conspiracy theorists in norway have any theories related to anders breivik?

Rainham area Rilke (nakhchivan), Tuesday, 13 October 2015 00:27 (eight years ago) link

do conspiracy theorists in norway have any theories related to anders breivik?

There are a few who tend to believe that Mossad was behind. One needs to be an extreme mentalist to actually blame the Labour Party, but there are a few crackpost there as well.

Those people who believe there was no camp at all I think don't exist at all in Norway. I know they exist in the US (I mean, I used to spend every summer at that exact camp for the entire 90s)

The GeirBot (Geir Hongro), Tuesday, 13 October 2015 00:36 (eight years ago) link

Hi Geir—

What is your favorite Curtis Mayfield song?

austinato (Austin), Tuesday, 13 October 2015 00:42 (eight years ago) link

What is your favorite Curtis Mayfield song?

I probably don't really know more than, say, 3-4. :) Out of those, probably "Move on Up", but I mean... Not my thing. :)

The GeirBot (Geir Hongro), Tuesday, 13 October 2015 00:47 (eight years ago) link

geir, do you have any thoughts about progressive rock finally getting its own chart?

progressive rock finally gets its own chart

reggie (qualmsley), Tuesday, 13 October 2015 02:32 (eight years ago) link


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