― MJ Hibbett, Thursday, 19 April 2001 00:00 (12 years ago) Permalink
― Tim, Thursday, 19 April 2001 00:00 (12 years ago) Permalink
― tha ill presidente, Friday, 20 April 2001 00:00 (12 years ago) Permalink
Next week its Destiny's Child - another useless front cover.
― DJ Martian, Friday, 20 April 2001 00:00 (12 years ago) Permalink
Destiny's Child - and the NYC issue for that matter - pretty much
confirm my original qn, i.e. the NME is on the right track currently.
Themed issues = good. Putting the people making exciting pop records
on the cover = good. The records Destiny's Child are making at the
moment are terrific - there shouldn't even be a question about them
being on the NME front cover.
― Tom, Friday, 20 April 2001 00:00 (12 years ago) Permalink
We didn't know where to put ourselves.
― mark s, Friday, 20 April 2001 00:00 (12 years ago) Permalink
However the NME should at least have a 1 page feature of Ulver.
and a significant album review - in the old MM circa late 80s- a band
released a significant and exceptional album then they would be
rewarded with a large review (column inches) regardless of size
I will be surprised if the NME review the Ulver album - as the NME
are ignorant bastards when it comes to non US/British bands.
For the curious Ulver - Perdition City
Ulver - Perdition City - is released April 23th on Jester Records
through Shellshock/Pinnancle in the UK.
There are also a number of important points on the NME current music
coverage - that I want to expand on. Later.
― the pinefox, Thursday, 26 April 2001 00:00 (12 years ago) Permalink
― norman fay, Thursday, 26 April 2001 00:00 (12 years ago) Permalink
― Marcello Carlin, Friday, 8 June 2001 00:00 (11 years ago) Permalink
― DG, Friday, 8 June 2001 00:00 (11 years ago) Permalink
― Nicole, Friday, 8 June 2001 00:00 (11 years ago) Permalink
― DG, Saturday, 9 June 2001 00:00 (11 years ago) Permalink
― David Raposa, Saturday, 9 June 2001 00:00 (11 years ago) Permalink
― gareth, Saturday, 9 June 2001 00:00 (11 years ago) Permalink
― the pinefox, Saturday, 9 June 2001 00:00 (11 years ago) Permalink
In what way are Travis the biggest band in Britain? Hear'say? Westlife? Destiny's Child? Atomic Kitten? How many number ones have Travis had? Their definition of "band" seems to still be confined to a) Not manufactured (Whatever that means) b) Play guitars (and only guitars - none of this electronic nonsense) c) Male. It's the equivalent of Fruit and Veg Magazine putting Greengrocer Of The Year on the cover and describing them as "THE GREATEST PERSON WHO EVER LIVED", provided by "person" they mean "greengrocer".
― Graham, Thursday, 21 June 2001 00:00 (11 years ago) Permalink
― Nick, Friday, 22 June 2001 00:00 (11 years ago) Permalink
But to get back to the subject...I think NME has changed for the
better this year, but basically there just isn't enough to read in it
Maybe it's trying to be all things to all people, when it will always
be synonymous with indie/leftfield music. Personally I don't mind
reading about Destiny's Child or Outkast as long as it's
interesting. But people are going to read Mix Mag, Hip Hop
Connection whatever, if they are really into the dance, hip-hop or
What was it that Matt from Sarah Records once said..."if you're a fan
of jangley guitars then you're narrow minded. If you're a hip-hop
fan then you are a specialist." or something like that.
― GD, Friday, 22 June 2001 00:00 (11 years ago) Permalink
to be heavily into hip-hop, understand the push/pull it enacts, you
can't be fascistic about it, which is why the holier than thou
attitude taken on by much of the uk hip-hop underground (trying to
put pop in a cage where it can be looked at but not touched) -
and, i suppose, that of our transatlantic counterparts as well - irks
― Izzie, Friday, 22 June 2001 00:00 (11 years ago) Permalink
― Patrick, Friday, 22 June 2001 00:00 (11 years ago) Permalink
― DG, Monday, 25 June 2001 00:00 (11 years ago) Permalink
― Tom, Tuesday, 26 June 2001 00:00 (11 years ago) Permalink
NME freelancers are being told to sign these horrible new agreements.
Say, for example, someone gets to do a feature with Destiny's Child.
The writer turns in a pretty good interview but has some material left
over. The LA Weekly or someone asks for that writer to file a piece on
same. Under the terms of the NME's new agreement, they wouldn't be able
to because the NME would own, forever, the TAPE of the interview and
any other out-takes.
Any freelance who doesn't sign does not get any more work from the
paper/website. They are paid something like 15p a word for work they
do, which is a lot less than you can get for selling interviews to the
American market or a British newspaper, and they have none of the
benefits of being on staff, usually no retainer even. It's patently
unfair to ask those without job security to agree to such terms, and 20
writers are looking into a potential case against IPC for restraint of
trade/intellectual property rights etc. If you want to know more, Tom,
ask Angus Batey to fill you in. I think he was the one who went to the
Guardian in the first place.
The best part of the story DG's quoting? 'Mr Sutherland was unavailable
for comment.' Now there's a great big fuckin' first!
― suzy, Tuesday, 26 June 2001 00:00 (11 years ago) Permalink
― Robin Carmody, Tuesday, 26 June 2001 00:00 (11 years ago) Permalink
― DG, Tuesday, 26 June 2001 00:00 (11 years ago) Permalink
Media Guardian Feb 2001
I would think that if the NME dropped below 50,000 a week then
questions would be asked about its future.
Sounds closed at around around 39,000 sales in 1991, Melody Maker
closed at 32,500 sales in Dec 2000.
However much I dislike NME's music direction in 2001 To lose 20,000
sales from Feb 2001 to the end of the year, is unlikely.
― DJ Martian, Tuesday, 26 June 2001 00:00 (11 years ago) Permalink
― Andrew L, Tuesday, 26 June 2001 00:00 (11 years ago) Permalink
When the Guardian went online it sent around a fait accompli letter to
anyone submitting freelance work that said The Guardian owned the
reprint rights on each piece submitted; notification of this fact
equalled an expectation of compliance. A lot of people stopped dealing
with them afterward because the freelance rate did not rise one jot.
What's going on at the NME is about a million times worse, and might be
one reason the thing appears to be written by monkeys and Muppets these
days - good writers often have annoying characteristics like principles
and the tendency to disagree with the logic of their 'superiors' at
I don't think the NME will go down the pan because the site gets a
gazillion hits every week. Brand manager is the perfect job for an
Oxbridge, sexist skinhead Muppet like Sutherland, the job can do
Do the freelancers laugh at the Travis, Stereophonics, The Strokes
and Linkin Park front covers ..like the rest of us?
Who decides on the NME front covers Sutherland or Knowles or 16 year
old work experience kids on a focus market research panel?
I want to identify blame.
Also I noticed that Mojo are seeking a new editor at the mo Advert
― masonic boom, Tuesday, 26 June 2001 00:00 (11 years ago) Permalink
But did you see the piece Keith Cameron wrote on Travis for the
Guardian Weekend? I found it frighteningly ambivalent, as though he
was just *describing* the situation where they have got so big, and
he just didn't seem motivated to speak out against it. Maybe age has
hit him where it hurts, but his pro-Oasis rhetoric wasn't what I
wanted to read from the NME *at all* in 1995.
Mark Sutherland - a pompey fan - well that is suprising.
Definitely the editor, after feedback in editorial meetings, with
pressure from upstairs. Yes, the freelancers do often laugh themselves
sick at the choices made by the above. I actually don't think they're
focus groupies at the NME (and anyway, no focus group I've ever been
privy to asks for specifics about content, more general areas or should
the spine be book-bound rather than stapled, yada yada). That's Emap's
department: a pal of mine who once edited one of their music mags was
rung on Boxing Day by the big cheese to be told if his cover choice
didn't pan out, heads would roll.
Also, access is controlled by PR's who grant exclusives based on the
promise of A Cover ('my client will not get out of bed for less than
5000 words') and how arsey the paper's tone has been to the other
artists they represent. NME will generally be in the same queue for
coverage as Mixmag, The Face, Q, Mojo. Dazed and Confused. i-D and
Sleazenation choose who to cover based on sneakier means; getting early
access to photographs because one of their people, say Wolfgang
Tillmans or Juergen Teller or Corinne Day, has done a shoot
(photographers have much, much better phone books than most editors).
If style mags have the photos, then they have a powerful bargaining
tool with the PRs who represent the artiste. No PR company would get
angry at a 'cool' photographer for this kind of scoop, as they lend the
artiste cred and in many cases get commissions from the record company
Hate to be all insider/media ho' about this, but I think it's my duty,
after 10 years' experience of these matters, to put that to use
demystifying the media's methods.
That was the eye-opening thing inside books like _Powder_ - not the
"Oh my god, rock stars are perverted, and singer/songwriters are
ego-ridden gits" bit of it, but the insider (manager) information on
how things like "cover articles" get handed out.
Then again, I suppose knowing too much can really leave a distaste in
the mouth. If someone chose to do a Popstars style expose on how even
the "indie"s are completely mechanised, I think I would move to Alaska
with ProTools and never leave the house again.
BTW my first job in London was, you guessed it, NME freelancer. I ran
away to join the Riot Grrrls, as any sensible female would.
― gareth, Wednesday, 27 June 2001 00:00 (11 years ago) Permalink
I would be interested in hearing your experiences of Riot Grrl, and
whether you think it and its daughters have accomplished anything, but
that's probably another thread.
Funny thing about "The Press" is... most musicians are unable to
separate "The Press" (a faceless, corporate entity controlled by Brand
Directors in IPC Towers) from the individual, badly paid, often
cynical freelancers that are sent to review and/or interview them.
Remember that musicians have been as badly burned by the Suits
Upstairs as the freelancers have been, they just don't know it. (And
― masonic boom, Wednesday, 27 June 2001 00:00 (11 years ago) Permalink
― mark s, Wednesday, 27 June 2001 00:00 (11 years ago) Permalink
― Tom, Wednesday, 27 June 2001 00:00 (11 years ago) Permalink
Upmarket? Rolling Stone? What the blinkin' 'eck?
― masonic boom, Thursday, 28 June 2001 00:00 (11 years ago) Permalink
― suzy, Thursday, 28 June 2001 00:00 (11 years ago) Permalink
It's all games.
Anyone got anything on David Lister? Name = familiar. Every time I read that Zappa quote (always quoted by eeevil sold-out pea-
brains like Simon Hoggart) I find I despise FZ more.
― mark s, Thursday, 28 June 2001 00:00 (11 years ago) Permalink
― suzy, Thursday, 28 June 2001 00:00 (11 years ago) Permalink
I did suggest to mr S that there could be a fascinating book about the 'tribes' that inhabited NMEworld back in the day, and how they evolved/mutated. He seemed to srsly consider the idea, laffed even.
― Mark G, Wednesday, 7 March 2012 00:00 (1 year ago) Permalink
for those who, like me, didn't know the story:
U2/NME versus Sinker
is the full review anywhere online?
― ban this sick stunt (anagram), Wednesday, 7 March 2012 08:42 (1 year ago) Permalink
Pat Long was assistant editor at NME during the 2000s.
yyyyeeah, this doesn't sound more promising than re-reading the reminiscences in the 40th anniversary issue
― Θ ̨Θƪ (sic), Wednesday, 7 March 2012 13:51 (1 year ago) Permalink
Pat is a cool dude and a good writer iircimho
I also only skimmed it in aforementioned book chain but unless I totally missed it there was next to no coverage of the last 10-15 years
― Sylv_ebanks (DJ Mencap), Wednesday, 7 March 2012 14:16 (1 year ago) Permalink
Don't think anyone cares or wants to read anecdotes from The Killers about the Conor McNicholas era, even taking into account declining relevance of print media etc etc. My guess is it ends post-Britpop?
― Homosexual Satan Wasp (Matt DC), Wednesday, 7 March 2012 14:22 (1 year ago) Permalink
I did suggest to mr S that there could be a fascinating book about the 'tribes' that inhabited NMEworld back in the day, and how they evolved/mutated. He seemed to srsly consider the idea, laffed even
I would definitely read that book.
I don't the NME has been relevant for a long time, so it makes sense that coverage would end about 10-15 years ago.
― Respectfully, Tyrese Gibson (Nicole), Wednesday, 7 March 2012 15:30 (1 year ago) Permalink
Pat's a sound guy, a great writer and I think it's reasonable to end the book at the start of the internet age.
There are severe problems with proofing, subbing though...
― Conan The Asshander (Doran), Wednesday, 7 March 2012 19:40 (1 year ago) Permalink
despite the fact i am no longer target audience, every time i have flicked through the nme recently have been impressed with the changes krissi has brought in :
of course, if an ilm'r steps up ..
― mark e, Thursday, 12 April 2012 11:01 (1 year ago) Permalink
Yeah she made a decent job of it, it seemed a much less blinkered and, well, condescending publication over the last few years. Conor McNicholas tended to treat his readership like idiots who could only focus on three bands at once.
― Homosexual Satan Wasp (Matt DC), Thursday, 12 April 2012 11:04 (1 year ago) Permalink
Co-signed. Sadly McNicholas had already wrecked that ship by the time she took over.
― Scary Move 4 (dog latin), Thursday, 12 April 2012 11:57 (1 year ago) Permalink
I'd be perfectly happy to send in my CV but unfortunately I am at least twice the age of whoever they're looking for.
― Here he is with the classic "Poème Électronique." Good track (Marcello Carlin), Thursday, 12 April 2012 12:49 (1 year ago) Permalink
It's a decent paper once again, even if not for me thesedays, yes.
― Mark G, Friday, 13 April 2012 00:47 (1 year ago) Permalink
oh well looks like marcello, didn't get the job.
from CMJ mailout :
IPC yesterday announced the promotion of NME's Deputy Editor Mike Williams to the role of Editor. Williams, of course, replaces Krissi Murrison, who announced this year that she was moving on to become Features Editor of The Sunday Times Magazine.
Williams joined NME in 2010, prior to which he founded and was editor of Kruger magazine for six years. Initially freelancing for the music weekly, he then took on the role of Features Editor before moving up to become Murison's deputy.
Upon the announcement, Williams told CMU: "I'm super excited to be the new editor of NME. As far as dream positions go, it really doesn't get any better than this. Krissi Murison has done an amazing job as my predecessor, and I'm totally honoured to pick up the baton from her. My challenge is to make NME magazine and the wider NME brand even sharper, our message more coherent and to engage even more with NME's audience of passionate music fans. With the brilliant team we've got in place, I can't wait to get started!"
Meanwhile IPC's Publishing Director Emily Hutchings added: "After an extensive recruitment process, I am absolutely thrilled to announce Mike Williams as the next editor of NME. He brings with him a wealth of editorial experience as well as knowledge in managing multiplatform brand extensions. Mike demonstrated a clear strategic vision and passion for NME that will help take the brand on to even greater success".
The NME print publication, of course, is in terminal decline despite gallant efforts by Murison to overhaul the magazine, though the wider NME brand remains as strong as ever, with future potential almost certainly locked to online and digital innovations
― mark e, Friday, 1 June 2012 10:39 (11 months ago) Permalink
I've known the dude for years - nice guy - no real idea what he'll be like editing the NME but it's cool by me
― cissémanwhore (DJ Mencap), Friday, 1 June 2012 10:45 (11 months ago) Permalink
I didn't apply.
― Here he is with the classic "Poème Électronique." Good track (Marcello Carlin), Thursday, 7 June 2012 11:29 (11 months ago) Permalink