Dizzee Rascal: Boy In Da Corner

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grrr

James Blount (James Blount), Thursday, 5 June 2003 16:49 (twenty years ago) link

being a "professional rock critic" is worth exactly jack shit right about now

jess (dubplatestyle), Thursday, 5 June 2003 16:51 (twenty years ago) link

i agree chris, muscially and lyrically, it gets better with every listen. only the hip-opera one gets worse :)

a good thing about this album is it will establish him as an amazing producer.

everyone knows I Luv U but it was made about two years ago. people slate it because it sounds raw [ except that's why i like it...] but the LP will surprise people, musically.

and there's such insane lyrics & slang on it. anyone know what 'dis one strictly for pitneys' is about?

martin (martin), Thursday, 5 June 2003 16:57 (twenty years ago) link

strictly for pitneys

James Blount (James Blount), Thursday, 5 June 2003 17:02 (twenty years ago) link

oh. i see. i wonder where the buddy holly lyric went then... ;)

martin (martin), Thursday, 5 June 2003 17:14 (twenty years ago) link

yeah, uh well it's all about the WILEY album huh guys! wait til that shit drops! yeah

Chip Morningstar (bob), Thursday, 5 June 2003 17:38 (twenty years ago) link

there's some vocal riddim by wiley on Rinse recently that blows me away. his production is less varied than Dizzee's but it's all Detroity and deep. can't wait for the LP...

martin (martin), Thursday, 5 June 2003 17:57 (twenty years ago) link

"everyone knows I Luv U but it was made about two years ago. people slate it because it sounds raw [ except that's why i like it...] but the LP will surprise people, musically."

i'm not sure. it will and it won't. the metal-on-metal bass sounds and D's voice on i luv you are the general constants. i think what will surprise people though is the depth of the production and breadth of the lyrics. and i don't mean that in an asian dub foundation we-must-now-write a bad song about ASYLUM "issues" way. i mean in the sense that there's far more going on in his head than the single and the stuff on p2p suggest. he's not a thug rapper. he is a thug rapper. he goes on about beating and robbing people BUT the tracks that bookend it are so fucking sad, complete conor oberst emo-boy pathos but without the bad hair and lame guitars (phew). like the bit where he goes on about wanting to go to sleep and never wake up again b/c he's so miserable with his life - after almost an hour of going on about how great he is. i'm simplifying, and it's a bit protest too much, but it's so refreshing to get that vulnerability from a rapper who also sounds so fresh and makes such awesome noises. the only upsetting thing about it is that the track i downloaded that had the "i ain't gonna lie / i ain't got a six pack / i got a bad temper and a baseball bat" line on it didn't get an update.

and he was born in 1985. even as someone born in the 80s, this makes me sick.

Chris Houghton (chrish), Thursday, 5 June 2003 18:01 (twenty years ago) link

"i think what will surprise people though is the depth of the production "

yes. that was my point.

and i also agree, he is a mass of contradictions. a reaction between his environment and his inner self. not that that's exclusive to dizzee obviously, but he's such a mess of tensions it's so entralling.

i love it when he parodies people parodying him. "that dizzee rascal's so rude..." he goes, in some soft cockney accent, not the usual harsh tone he uses.

the highlights definitely include the sad stuff. jezebel, sitting here and brand new day. heartwrenching.

martin (martin), Thursday, 5 June 2003 18:10 (twenty years ago) link

yeah sorry, i wasn't deliberately misinterpreting you, but i reckon while there are tracks that obviously take it funkier ("2 for"), further (track 4), or just more audacious and obvious (but make it work) ("fix up look sharp") you can definitely see the links between the single and the album, and how and why "i luv you" actually makes all the i ain't uk garage so get used to it talk look like less of a pose without the album. and that obviously demolishes the is-he/isn't-he dynamic.

i think we should shut up now martin. it must be like dangling chocolate from people's mouths and then pulling it away. i'm interviewing him on monday, though. can't fucking wait.

oh, and if anyone wants a copy....

no, no. sorry. no.

Chris Houghton (chrish), Thursday, 5 June 2003 18:23 (twenty years ago) link

support british undergrown talent... don't up/download dizzee...

martin (martin), Thursday, 5 June 2003 18:39 (twenty years ago) link

ha

Jordan (Jordan), Thursday, 5 June 2003 19:31 (twenty years ago) link

i am betting now that 'fix up look sharp' is the best track on the record by a zlillion miles

Chip Morningstar (bob), Thursday, 5 June 2003 21:42 (twenty years ago) link

Please, someone put this album on Soulseek and I promise I'll buy it if it's as good as I think it's going to be (and maybe if it isn't too)

Chewshabadoo (Chewshabadoo), Thursday, 5 June 2003 21:47 (twenty years ago) link

On a side note - those of you fortunate enough to be able to deal with anti-leech may head to
http://ukgmp3s.cjb.net/
in the mp3s section there are four MC versions of Wiley's Ice Rink riddim (which in itself is so sparse and raw it's silly, though perhaps "Igloo" even trumps it in that respect), including the one with Dizzee riding it.

Mind Taker, Thursday, 5 June 2003 22:17 (twenty years ago) link

Did the "I Luv You" video get alot of airplay in the UK? cuz I saw it on Mtv just now

James Blount (James Blount), Saturday, 7 June 2003 05:06 (twenty years ago) link

no it didnt get much radio airplay at all.

he's had loads of magazine coverage tho'

martin (martin), Saturday, 7 June 2003 09:03 (twenty years ago) link

some from yourself or are you a different Martin?


Is this on soulseek yet?

Ronan (Ronan), Saturday, 7 June 2003 10:51 (twenty years ago) link

tracklist please?

Paul (scifisoul), Saturday, 7 June 2003 18:38 (twenty years ago) link

sittin' here; stop dat; i luv you; brand new day; 2 for (feat wiley); fix up, look sharp; cut 'em off; hold ya mouf (feat god's gift); round we go; jus' a rascal; wot u on; jezebel; seems 2 be; live o; do it.

Chris Houghton (chrish), Sunday, 8 June 2003 09:56 (twenty years ago) link

no 'we aint havin it'?

stevem (blueski), Sunday, 8 June 2003 10:49 (twenty years ago) link

from above:

the only upsetting thing about it is that the track i downloaded that had the "i ain't gonna lie / i ain't got a six pack / i got a bad temper and a baseball bat" line on it didn't get an update

addendum: or an inclusion.

Chris Houghton (chrish), Sunday, 8 June 2003 10:51 (twenty years ago) link

'Brand New Day' is the best track so far for me, it sums up the gangster/thinker comparison Chris Houghton made upthread perfectly and it has a such an infectious rhythm. This should be a single definitely.

ss, Sunday, 8 June 2003 13:03 (twenty years ago) link

Seriously... This song is amazing. The music is really dreamy and disjointed with a melody that sounds like water dripping in a cave, and there's no bass line just strange kind of vibraphone bounces or something. It's quite sad. And Dizzee is talking about how y'know, it's a brand new day, he's gonna stop fucking around and do something - "pay money pay respect/don't insult my intellect". Fuck.

ss, Sunday, 8 June 2003 13:17 (twenty years ago) link

It's all the things everyone has said on this board and more, but I aint gonna use say too much here coz I have to write about it and don't want to use up everything I have to say here. The one thing that I've been really disappointed in with the press I've seen is that he's being painted as a kinda bad bwoy, scally MC but there is an immense amount of fragility and vulnerability (big up, whoever said this further up list) in his flows - there's a real sense of that adolescent duality: being a man, but not quite, finding your feet in the world but not knowing quite where they'll lead you, dreams and fears, arrogance and humility... that's what's so interesting about this record: yah he's fuckin' precociously talented and not afraid to say it, but scratch the surface and there's a lot of uncertainty and frailty beneath all the lyrical flexing...

and there's such insane lyrics & slang on it. anyone know what 'dis one strictly for pitneys' is about?

Martin, I can't remember this lyric offhand and can't find my CD inlay right now, but I'd hazard a guess that it's not "Pitney" as in Gene, but "pickney" as in Jamaican slang for child ;-) Asin "for the kids"...

Dave Stelfox (Dave Stelfox), Sunday, 8 June 2003 13:57 (twenty years ago) link

But he goes on to rhyme it with "Witney" (as in Houston) and "Christie" (as in Xtina) so "Pitney" makes more sense.

ss, Sunday, 8 June 2003 14:06 (twenty years ago) link

i'd still read it as a corruption of pickney or a half-rhyme in the first place, which he does quite a lot of... phuck knows what a Pitney is if it's anything different to this...

Dave Stelfox (Dave Stelfox), Sunday, 8 June 2003 14:14 (twenty years ago) link

How come all the hats he's wearin' in the "I Love You" video represent Los Angeles teams? Weird.

J0hn Darn1elle (J0hn Darn1elle), Sunday, 8 June 2003 14:17 (twenty years ago) link

Well he's said that 'In Utero' is his favourite ever album, so the chances of him being a Gene Pitney fan aren't that far fetched..

ss, Sunday, 8 June 2003 14:18 (twenty years ago) link

Don't get me wrong i'm overjoyed at the prospect of him including lines about Gene Pitney, but I just don't think it's likely and believe my theory to be more than likely correct! Anyway, I have to interview him in the next week, so I'll be able to get an answer from the horse's mouth and settle this once and for all...

Dave Stelfox (Dave Stelfox), Sunday, 8 June 2003 14:30 (twenty years ago) link

"There's a coupla rock tings... heavy rock n roll reggae ting... to prove i aint garage get me?"

(Excerpt from 1Xtra interview with Ace & Vis)

Can any advance copy heads explain please?

ss, Sunday, 8 June 2003 14:31 (twenty years ago) link

Actually everyone should check this link out... there's some cool freestyling over a few hip hop instrumentals as well

http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio/aod/1xtra_aod.shtml?1xtra_av_dizzee

ss, Sunday, 8 June 2003 14:34 (twenty years ago) link

Anyone know where i can get an "I Luv You" 12" here in the states online? I can't find it anywhere.

Cub, Sunday, 8 June 2003 15:51 (twenty years ago) link

Try the KRS distro

ss, Sunday, 8 June 2003 15:53 (twenty years ago) link

I saw it on Mtv again today

James Blount (James Blount), Sunday, 8 June 2003 16:49 (twenty years ago) link

And it ain't like I watch Mtv that much

James Blount (James Blount), Sunday, 8 June 2003 16:49 (twenty years ago) link

this is ridiculous. was it just in regular rotation?

jess (dubplatestyle), Sunday, 8 June 2003 16:52 (twenty years ago) link

i think i jumped the shark by reviewing the single & not waiting to review the album.

jess (dubplatestyle), Sunday, 8 June 2003 16:53 (twenty years ago) link

it's not listed as being in mtv's rotation or mtv2's rotation either so there's a very possible fluke factor to my seeing it twice (I've seen the "Danger! High Voltage" video a few times too and it ain't listed either). The video's nothing to get too excited about either, beyond the 'ohmigod dizzee rascal on mtv' factor - it looks like your standard mid-90s hip-hop video crossed with the 'macarena' video.

James Blount (James Blount), Sunday, 8 June 2003 17:11 (twenty years ago) link

also (mtv website related), this is sorta fun to scan through the years in a "I remember sixth grade" kinda way

James Blount (James Blount), Sunday, 8 June 2003 17:19 (twenty years ago) link

I'm trying to think of who in the states might possibly want a pice on dizzee... anyone got any ideas?

Dave Stelfox (Dave Stelfox), Sunday, 8 June 2003 17:23 (twenty years ago) link

it looks like your standard mid-90s hip-hop video crossed with the 'macarena' video.

How is this nothing to get excited about?!

ss, Sunday, 8 June 2003 17:26 (twenty years ago) link

if anyone wants to try to flood the zone, stuff the ballot box, etc, here's the place to do it.

James Blount (James Blount), Sunday, 8 June 2003 17:34 (twenty years ago) link

dave, i've already reviewed the single in the voice. one of the hiphop magazines should run something on him, at least once we see how the album does on release.

jess (dubplatestyle), Sunday, 8 June 2003 18:08 (twenty years ago) link

then again, i flipped through the source in the grocery store yesterday and they devoted 18 pages to pharrell and naked-girlies-who-wouldnt-touch-his-tube-sock-wearin-ass-if-he-wasnt-famous in brazil or wherever, so who knows

jess (dubplatestyle), Sunday, 8 June 2003 18:09 (twenty years ago) link

vibe's probably a better bet than the source or xxl

James Blount (James Blount), Sunday, 8 June 2003 18:11 (twenty years ago) link

pharrell really is the smartest man in showbiz but that doesnt mean i ever want to see him ever again

ever

jess (dubplatestyle), Sunday, 8 June 2003 18:14 (twenty years ago) link

I'm waiting to see if either side blinks and 50 Cent ends up on the cover. Right now he has/appears on three singles in the Rap top ten (which is not that different from the pop top ten), with another hovering just outside it.

James Blount (James Blount), Sunday, 8 June 2003 18:17 (twenty years ago) link

I don't know about anyone else in the UK but US hip hop as considerably paled in significance to me over the past 6 months or so.

So anyway, 'Brand New Day' let's talk about heart fuckingly awesome it is.

ss, Sunday, 8 June 2003 18:19 (twenty years ago) link

i don't know about anyone else in the us but us hiphop has considerably paled in signifigance to me over the past 6 months or so.

is this fucking thing on slsk yet or what?

jess (dubplatestyle), Sunday, 8 June 2003 18:22 (twenty years ago) link

same, i lost track after that.

sam jax sax jam (Jordan), Thursday, 26 May 2016 14:19 (seven years ago) link

ditto. I haven't even heard "the fifth" although this track from it is pretty nifty. is the album worth checking out?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AlzgDVLtU6g

Neptune Bingo (Michael B), Thursday, 26 May 2016 14:32 (seven years ago) link

Put it on 15 minutes. Yep, I think this album still has it.

Chewshabadoo, Thursday, 26 May 2016 14:38 (seven years ago) link

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QMzx-OzYICs

Dizzee's verse on this from 2014 is good

paolo, Thursday, 26 May 2016 18:01 (seven years ago) link

saw skepta on his recent 'pop-up' UK tour & when the DJ on beforehand played tht^, the crowd went nuts. (also went mental for desiigner's panda).

skepta record isn't even as good as JME's from last year.

||||||||, Thursday, 26 May 2016 20:08 (seven years ago) link

its not like he just fell off after BIDC, then suddenly popped up on daytime radio 1 with bonkers.

showtime -
stand up tall
graftin
respect me
knock knock
dream
girls
flyin
fickle
give u more
trapped
is this real?
off to work

maths + english
world outside (not that this makes it superior, but the intro to this sounds like james ferraro or OPN)
pussyole
flex
wanna be (though this really depends on how much you can tolerate lilly allen, i dont mind her, but she does push insufferability on this one)
u cant tell me nuffin
my life feat newham generals

im stopping at tongue in cheek as this is such a shift that you might as well include the whole thing. i never listened to the 5th properly, but i liked the stupidity of bassline junkie.

pagans/couple of stacks from 2014 arent bad. the song with giggs was good too. but his taste in beats is pretty uninteresting.

StillAdvance, Friday, 27 May 2016 09:03 (seven years ago) link

'Bubbles' still bangs.

Matt DC, Friday, 27 May 2016 09:30 (seven years ago) link

i laughed when i saw this was getting the full-on heritage album treatment in brooklyn of all places. still can't imagine a less exciting live experience than An Entire Album Played In Order

cher guevara (lex pretend), Friday, 27 May 2016 10:05 (seven years ago) link

and especially not THIS album of all albums! my goodness.

cher guevara (lex pretend), Friday, 27 May 2016 10:05 (seven years ago) link

dont get why RBMA put that BIDC show on in brooklyn either. surely it should have been in the assembly hall of his old secondary school?

StillAdvance, Friday, 27 May 2016 10:20 (seven years ago) link

given the kind of gig it was it was entirely appropriate that he was far from its origins imo. brooklyn can have it

cher guevara (lex pretend), Friday, 27 May 2016 10:22 (seven years ago) link

im fine with him doing one of those classic album shows (would only want to see it out of curiosity). its not really about making BIDC into some dull revered canon album, more allowing it to get the same dull revered canon treatment as other albums from other genres.

StillAdvance, Friday, 27 May 2016 10:46 (seven years ago) link

its not like he just fell off after BIDC, then suddenly popped up on daytime radio 1 with bonkers.

Oh yeah, I don't slight Showtime or M+E. Great songs on both. It's just BIDC arrived so fully formed, perfect union of sonics and voice.

A nationally known air show announcer/personality (tipsy mothra), Friday, 27 May 2016 12:21 (seven years ago) link

Interview with Dizzee's teacher:

http://daily.redbullmusicacademy.com/2016/05/dizzee-rascal-music-teacher-interview

xyzzzz__, Sunday, 29 May 2016 08:58 (seven years ago) link

three weeks pass...

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