the Whit Stillman Poll

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Isn't Metropolitan fairly ambiguous about when exactly it takes place, it just says like "Some time in the past" or something like that? It always seemed to me to be taking place in the late 60s/early 70s, so Audrey's age in LDoD worked fine for me.

The Yellow Kid, Friday, 18 January 2008 20:07 (6 years ago) Permalink

It says something about the recent past; I've always interpreted it as early-80s. Late 60s never crossed my mind -- if that's the idea, he's asking for a lot of leeway with regard to clothing and car models!

nabisco, Friday, 18 January 2008 20:14 (6 years ago) Permalink

But if Audrey is all grown up and a well-known editor by the disco era, I suppose early-70s it must be ...

nabisco, Friday, 18 January 2008 20:14 (6 years ago) Permalink

....not naming names but i think that somebodies need to rent the criterion editions and listen to the director commentaries...

Steve Shasta, Friday, 18 January 2008 20:38 (6 years ago) Permalink

someone with more free time and a longer attention span than me, clearly

nabisco, Friday, 18 January 2008 20:40 (6 years ago) Permalink

DVD commentaries: what the world never needed

Dr Morbius, Friday, 18 January 2008 20:42 (6 years ago) Permalink

Metropolitan makes me want to vomit. I like Barcelona, but Last Days of Disco has to win. Perfect portrayal of that generation and class, with a killer soundtrack, and lots of amaaaazing one-liners. More than in his other movies, I think.

the table is the table, Friday, 18 January 2008 20:44 (6 years ago) Permalink

LDD is great. And it's got to be at least 1978 because of the speech at the end which mentions Travolta and Newton-John. I always assumed it was 1978 for some reason.

Ned Trifle II, Friday, 18 January 2008 21:22 (6 years ago) Permalink

pretty sure it is later than that.

i don't really understand how people can have such varying opinions of these movies. they seem of a piece to me.

mizzell, Friday, 18 January 2008 21:33 (6 years ago) Permalink

metropolitan=about girls

barcelona=about boys

horseshoe, Friday, 18 January 2008 21:42 (6 years ago) Permalink

ldd = about disco

Ned Trifle II, Friday, 18 January 2008 21:43 (6 years ago) Permalink

pretty sure it is later than that.

Isn't there mention of yuppies? I might be wrong. When were yuppies anyway?

Ned Trifle II, Friday, 18 January 2008 21:44 (6 years ago) Permalink

yeah, there are 5 billion mentions of yuppies.

horseshoe, Friday, 18 January 2008 21:45 (6 years ago) Permalink

metropolitan = don't hate me because i'm rich
barcelona = don't hate me because i'm american
last days of disco = don't hate me because i like clubbing

(this may sound like i'm making fun, but i actually like the way stillman goes at this stuff, which tends to be complicated and aware and worthwhile)

nabisco, Friday, 18 January 2008 21:47 (6 years ago) Permalink

no that seems right. those three are all kind of the same thing.

horseshoe, Friday, 18 January 2008 21:48 (6 years ago) Permalink

maybe everyone on the "what class are you" thread should watch metropolitan

max, Friday, 18 January 2008 21:49 (6 years ago) Permalink

i mean, all three contain a lengthy speech in which someone defends himself on exactly those terms

xpost - i think Last Days of Disco specifically says something about "the very early 80s" -- although there is footage of the Chicago disco demolition in it (which was ... 78?), and I always thought the word "yuppies" didn't really explode until around the 84 election (but they were hip NYCers, they might have just been ahead of the curve)

nabisco, Friday, 18 January 2008 21:49 (6 years ago) Permalink

Isn't Metropolitan fairly ambiguous about when exactly it takes place, it just says like "Some time in the past" or something like that? It always seemed to me to be taking place in the late 60s/early 70s, so Audrey's age in LDoD worked fine for me.

When I spent a lot more time thinking about Whit Stillman than I do now, I figured that the reference to Averell Harriman's age (I think maybe Audrey says something about him being in his 70s) sets the film in the 60s. I think I remember reading Stillman say that he was thinking of the early 60s when he made it but wanted it to remain ambiguous.

C0L1N B..., Friday, 18 January 2008 21:51 (6 years ago) Permalink

Pretty sure LDD is supposed be, like, '81-82ish.

C0L1N B..., Friday, 18 January 2008 21:52 (6 years ago) Permalink

Also, nabsico is OTM about the hospital device in Barcelona. I never understood why LDD is supposed to be this big disappointment after Barcelona.

C0L1N B..., Friday, 18 January 2008 21:53 (6 years ago) Permalink

Automatic thread bump. This poll is closing tomorrow.

ILX System, Saturday, 26 January 2008 00:01 (6 years ago) Permalink

Automatic thread bump. This poll's results are now in.

ILX System, Sunday, 27 January 2008 00:01 (6 years ago) Permalink

I assume that the endorsement of the flat-footed The Last Days of Disco implicitly comments on Whit Stillman fans' disdain for dancing.

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn, Sunday, 27 January 2008 00:04 (6 years ago) Permalink

i love last days of disco! but i did not vote in this poll. but i do love it best. my brother-in-law edited it! i like to mention that when the subject comes up. well, he's married to maria's sister. whatever that makes him to me.

scott seward, Sunday, 27 January 2008 00:10 (6 years ago) Permalink

I keep getting Whit Stillman confused with Slim Whitman.

Alex in NYC, Sunday, 27 January 2008 00:23 (6 years ago) Permalink

I couldn't bear "Last Days of Disco" as it basically implied that disco was a movement that catered exclusively to white, affluent, shitheads, which couldn't have been further from the truth.

Alex in NYC, Sunday, 27 January 2008 00:26 (6 years ago) Permalink

Ok, but there's a difference between that and "lots of white, affluent shitheads liked disco", right?

The Yellow Kid, Sunday, 27 January 2008 00:32 (6 years ago) Permalink

he wasn't making a friggin' documentary. he writes what he knows.

scott seward, Sunday, 27 January 2008 00:33 (6 years ago) Permalink

"Oh, so you're one of those mass transit snobs."

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn, Sunday, 27 January 2008 00:35 (6 years ago) Permalink

he writes what he knows.

In this instance, it seems more like he wrote what he wrongly assumed.

Alex in NYC, Sunday, 27 January 2008 02:07 (6 years ago) Permalink

This result came in in the wrong order.

Alba, Sunday, 27 January 2008 02:21 (6 years ago) Permalink

1 year passes...

finally saw last days of disco last night - not bad. nabisco otm re: beckinsale being born for that kind of role. also rescreened ; ) metropolitan a couple of weeks back. awkward low-budget stuff and non-pro actors aside that holds up well.

velko, Saturday, 14 November 2009 20:33 (4 years ago) Permalink

Love all of these but I'm baffled by how Metropolitan, not just the best Whit Stillman movie but maybe the best movie of its kind, didn't leave Disco in the dust.

Guayaquil (eephus!), Saturday, 14 November 2009 20:55 (4 years ago) Permalink

Metropolitan is a movie I can watch over and over and over.

windy = white, carl = black (polyphonic), Saturday, 14 November 2009 21:26 (4 years ago) Permalink

last days of disco is one of my favourite movies ever, also the soundtrack is maybe my most played album ever

plaxico (I know, right?), Saturday, 14 November 2009 21:26 (4 years ago) Permalink

7 months pass...

i rewatched metropolitan & i had forgotten how sad and weird the last third of the movie is, partic the scene where charlie and tom talk about failure with the older uhb dude @ a bar

also the blank dismissal of fourier with "i wouldnt want to live on a farm" in the cab to southhampton, is ~amazing~

Lamp, Tuesday, 13 July 2010 03:11 (4 years ago) Permalink

1 year passes...

Watched Metropolitan for the first time in maybe 20 years the other night, it's still very good. Eigeman and Taylor Nichols are both pricelessly funny, tho I find the sudden appearance of a weapon kind of inexplicable, psychologically.

talk about failure with the older uhb dude @ a bar

This is great, esp the way the guy accepts the existence of "ub?" as a term. I didn't find their convo particularly sad, just... realistic.

World Congress of Itch (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 2 May 2012 19:05 (2 years ago) Permalink

"Where do they get off?"

Exile in lolville (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 2 May 2012 19:12 (2 years ago) Permalink

I find the sudden appearance of a weapon kind of inexplicable, psychologically.

After many, many watchings of this movie I finally understood that this is the toy gun that Tom finds in the trash outside his childhood apartment. I think it's some kind of failure of direction that makes it read as a real gun.

Guayaquil (eephus!), Wednesday, 2 May 2012 23:07 (2 years ago) Permalink

well I presumed it wasn't real, but I didn't recall a gun being seen in the toy box.

Anyway, it's funny how that actor's career disappeared, tho he 'only' played a noodge pretty well.

World Congress of Itch (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 3 May 2012 00:11 (2 years ago) Permalink

he's a priest or found god something, I think someone posted a youtube about it in this thread

puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Thursday, 3 May 2012 00:17 (2 years ago) Permalink

lol nm some other thread

puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Thursday, 3 May 2012 00:17 (2 years ago) Permalink

The only dud is the actor who played Rick Von Slonaker is terrible -- Rick Von Surfer amirite

Exile in lolville (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 3 May 2012 01:16 (2 years ago) Permalink

Eigeman builds up the legend of Rick Von Slonaker so well that, whenever I rewatch, I always forget he actually appears in the movie.

I serve at the pleasure of Dr. Dre and a team of Sorbonne scientists. (R Baez), Thursday, 3 May 2012 01:23 (2 years ago) Permalink

"It's a composite! Like New York magazine does."

World Congress of Itch (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 3 May 2012 01:40 (2 years ago) Permalink

eigeman as nick smith is *dream city*

horseshoe, Thursday, 3 May 2012 01:49 (2 years ago) Permalink

So YOU'RE one of those public transportation snobs!

Exile in lolville (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 3 May 2012 02:00 (2 years ago) Permalink

Metropoliatee

buzza, Thursday, 3 May 2012 02:03 (2 years ago) Permalink

sometime in her senior year, she started feeling depressed. now, part of it was finally becoming disillusioned with horses. but there were some real psychological problems too.

their private gesture for bison (difficult listening hour), Thursday, 3 May 2012 02:19 (2 years ago) Permalink

you're a slob, sexist, totally obnoxious and tiresome, and lately you've gotten just weird.

their private gesture for bison (difficult listening hour), Thursday, 3 May 2012 02:22 (2 years ago) Permalink

i'd guess oscar wilde too

Mordy, Sunday, 6 May 2012 03:23 (2 years ago) Permalink

he says jane austen & tolstoy and then some other author/novel that i can't make out at 9:40 here

http://www.charlierose.com/view/interview/3494

can you figure that out?

flopson, Sunday, 6 May 2012 03:37 (2 years ago) Permalink

■The Life of Samuel Johnson by James Boswell (unabridged edition)
■Essay on Man by Alexander Pope
■Childhood, Boyhood, Youth by Leo Tolstoy
■Portrait of Max: An Intimate Memoir of Sir Max Beerbohm by S.N. Behrman
■The Price Was High: Fifty Uncollected Stories by F. Scott Fitzgerald

flopson, Sunday, 6 May 2012 03:49 (2 years ago) Permalink

otm re fitzgerald, his short stories were his best work

Mordy, Sunday, 6 May 2012 03:53 (2 years ago) Permalink

can you make out what he's saying in that charlie rose clip, mordy?

flopson, Sunday, 6 May 2012 03:54 (2 years ago) Permalink

i cannot

Mordy, Sunday, 6 May 2012 03:58 (2 years ago) Permalink

Salinger!

timellison, Sunday, 6 May 2012 05:23 (2 years ago) Permalink

"Essay on Man" is awesome for its epigrammatic virtues.

lol "The Price is High" I read as a senior year high school Fitz obsessive.

Exile in lolville (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 6 May 2012 05:51 (2 years ago) Permalink

have any of you read his (stillman's) novel?

flopson, Sunday, 6 May 2012 17:49 (2 years ago) Permalink

7 months pass...

Bought a ticket to see him introduce The Last Days of Disco on Thursday. He's here Wednesday for Metropolitan, which is probably the better film; just felt like seeing Last Days instead. (I've still never seen Barcelona.) I feel like I should wear a bow tie for some reason.

clemenza, Saturday, 8 December 2012 15:10 (1 year ago) Permalink

Baumbach gets points for Carlos Jacott, a Whit Stillman actor who never appeared in a Whit Stillman movie.

I just want to pedantically point out that Carlos Jacott actually does have the tiniest of cameos in Last Days of Disco

Panaïs Pnin (The Yellow Kid), Tuesday, 11 December 2012 07:34 (1 year ago) Permalink

that is a pivotal scene

conrad, Tuesday, 11 December 2012 16:05 (1 year ago) Permalink

I liked The Last Days of Disco more than the couple of times I saw it when it first came out. I probably liked it as much as I can like a film where every conversation sounds like lines being read. Great music, of course, and excellent Demme-like coda.

The Q&A was an ordeal. First of all the guy running it took up the first half-hour--I just wanted him to shut up and turn it over to the audience. Stillman mumbles and rambles--I could barely understand him. (It wasn't the acoustics; I could hear the other guy fine.) If I did hear one thing correctly--Stillman saying that by 1969, black music had disappeared from the radio--his memory is either extremely faulty, or he was listening to some format other than Top 40 radio. 1970-72 was one of the greatest periods for black music on Top 40 radio ever. If he meant that there were obscure proto-disco records not being played on the radio, then I'm sure he's right about that--even though something like Chakachas' "Jungle Fever" was a big hit.

clemenza, Friday, 14 December 2012 04:10 (1 year ago) Permalink

1 year passes...

Watched Barcelona for the first time last night. It has its flaws but I loved it like nothing I've seen in a long time.

despite the fact that someone is shot and there are explosions, it has only the vaguest notion of a plot, just Eigeman and Taylor hanging out 80% of the time.

^This. I guess how compelling this is to you determines whether or not you'll like this...

fit and working again, Wednesday, 7 May 2014 19:18 (4 months ago) Permalink

barcelona is so good.

i recommend this insane collection of rightwing stillman criticism: http://www.amazon.com/Doomed-Bourgeois-Love-Essays-Stillman/dp/1882926706

adam, Wednesday, 7 May 2014 19:22 (4 months ago) Permalink


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