I'm not sure that "a reenactment video" can be considered evidence of anything much, as compared to having Zimmerman give his testimony in court, which amounts to the same thing, except for taking the oath and knowing the consequences of perjury.
― Aimless, Thursday, 21 June 2012 16:17 (eleven years ago) link
longer description here
http://www.cnn.com/2012/06/21/justice/florida-teen-shooting/index.html
And the investigator expresses doubt that Zimmerman, who had lived in the neighborhood for three years and described himself as head of the neighborhood watch, did not know the names of the three streets in the subdivision.
"To be honest with you, I have a bad memory anyway," Zimmerman said, adding that he has attention-deficit (hyperactivity) disorder and takes medication for it.
― da croupier, Thursday, 21 June 2012 16:20 (eleven years ago) link
I don't know the names of several streets right by me, and I live on a city grid. Ever tried to navigate a gated subdivision? Shit is hard.
Of course, this could all be post fact bs. But the context he provIdes and shows helps.
― Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 21 June 2012 16:25 (eleven years ago) link
devil's advocacy at its finest
― da croupier, Thursday, 21 June 2012 16:26 (eleven years ago) link
tbf i don't like the idea of you declaring yourself neighborhood watch captain and stalking kids with a gun either
― da croupier, Thursday, 21 June 2012 16:28 (eleven years ago) link
Me? Just saying. I do believe he should be in jail for killing him. The irony is that if he did not have a gun,.Zimmerman would have had a case to get Martin arrested for assault.
― Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 21 June 2012 16:29 (eleven years ago) link
if you believe his story
― da croupier, Thursday, 21 June 2012 16:29 (eleven years ago) link
The way he describes it it hardly sounds like he stalked him with a gun. But I don't know who to believe. It's a mess,.and largely the fault of Florida on several levels.
― Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 21 June 2012 16:30 (eleven years ago) link
again, if you believe his story, that he merely noticed a kid, called the police, had no idea which of the three streets in the neighborhood he watches is, went to find out, and the kid decided to beat him to death with his fists en route to deliver skittles
― da croupier, Thursday, 21 June 2012 16:33 (eleven years ago) link
The irony is that if he did not have a gun,.Zimmerman would have had a case to get Martin arrested for assault.
I . . . do not think that is "irony."
― Julie Derpy (Phil D.), Thursday, 21 June 2012 16:33 (eleven years ago) link
"emotionally troubled vigilante suggests victim was the violent stalker, not him"
― da croupier, Thursday, 21 June 2012 16:35 (eleven years ago) link
Again, the story here is not the stuff that we don't, and probably never will, know - the story is weeks of no arrest and coverup.
― Andrew Farrell, Thursday, 21 June 2012 16:40 (eleven years ago) link
Zimmerman sounds reasonable, including why he didn't just stay in the car (he was looking for a house number to give to the police
this is the least reasonable claim imaginable if you're saying you've seen a suspicious person in your neighborhood. "I didn't want to get out of the car, he seemed dangerous, but I needed to get an address, so I left the car, placing me in the direct path of the person I'm claiming I thought might be dangerous." "Doesn't pass the smell test," as they say on Law & Order.
― decrepit but free (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Thursday, 21 June 2012 16:42 (eleven years ago) link
it's possible martin did react violently to being stalked, though in zimmerman's version the teenager is on a roid rage while he screams "like 50 times" for help. no neighbor is backing that up.
― da croupier, Thursday, 21 June 2012 16:43 (eleven years ago) link
but, you know, he doesn't have that great a memory anyway
― da croupier, Thursday, 21 June 2012 16:45 (eleven years ago) link
It's all a mess. But according to dude - who might be or is a total liar and is a murderer - he thought the guy was gone and got out of the car to get an address. Would I do that? No. Would I carry a gun? No. Could I shoot someone? No. Could a defense like Zimmerman's prevent a jury from convicting him? Probably.
Florida's fault: 1) Allowing the stupid law (concealed carry and stand your ground) 2) Not arresting Zimmerman way back when 3) taking forever to eventually arrest him 4) giving in to pressure and launching a prosecution that seems very unlikely to succeed.
Honestly, I'm not sure why I should be prone to believe or disbelieve him, one way or the other. Regardless, he should have been arrested, and before that, Martin should not have been killed.
― Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 21 June 2012 16:52 (eleven years ago) link
if he's found innocent, i'm definitely blaming the Stand Your Ground law for making it apparently ok to stalk people with a violent weapon as long as you think you're a cop, and as long as you kill the person who has a problem with you stalking them. however, to be "huh who knows his story makes sense kind of maybe not but who knows" requires exactly the kind of mushy head that makes the whole "shadow of a doubt" thing a little regrettable at times.
― da croupier, Thursday, 21 June 2012 16:56 (eleven years ago) link
Honestly, I'm not sure why I should be prone to believe or disbelieve him, one way or the other.
You should be inclined to doubt his word very seriously because he shot and killed an unarmed teenager. His claim that he feared for his life amounts to an extraordinary claim, which, as we know, requires extraordinary evidence.
― decrepit but free (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Thursday, 21 June 2012 17:00 (eleven years ago) link
I totally agree. But it's evidence we (they) do not have and may never have, and to outright discount even the possibility that he was (in the legally if not morally defensible) right is as bad to me as the assailing Martin ad hominem for having smoked pot and getting suspended. Again, blame the law for being a piece of shit, but in light of said piece of shit law, Zimmerman's description sounds more nuanced than "I hopped out of the car, gun out, chased the punk down and shot him." The law is one of the all time pieces of shit because it gives a legal advantage to the last man standing.
Anyway, did anyone else catch when that video was made? If it was made right after, before the shit hit the fan, I'd be more inclined to find his description plausible. Though clearly the guy is in CYA mode.
― Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 21 June 2012 17:03 (eleven years ago) link
(And I've said all along Zimmerman murdered him and should have been arrested. It's just a matter of what degree.)
― Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 21 June 2012 17:04 (eleven years ago) link
Right, and if "doubt his word very seriously" meant the same as "outright discount", then you'd have a good point.
― Andrew Farrell, Thursday, 21 June 2012 17:04 (eleven years ago) link
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― s.clover, Thursday, 21 June 2012 18:05 (eleven years ago) link
god this trial is just going to go on FOREVER isn't it
― the alternate vision continues his vision quest! (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 13 July 2012 23:12 (eleven years ago) link
these fuckin assholes are holding out for a judge who dogwhistles "I am actually racist," and they'll probably get it, too
dickheads imo
― perry en concrète (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Saturday, 14 July 2012 00:12 (eleven years ago) link
aaaaand it gets weirder!
― the alternate vision continues his vision quest! (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 16 July 2012 18:34 (eleven years ago) link
This is turning into an episode of SVU.
― to welcome jer.fairall, pie is served. (jer.fairall), Monday, 16 July 2012 19:04 (eleven years ago) link
This might eliminate him from the running as Romney's choice for veep.
― Aimless, Monday, 16 July 2012 19:08 (eleven years ago) link
what in the fuck
― *sad hug eomticon* (Control Z), Monday, 16 July 2012 22:51 (eleven years ago) link
did... not see that coming
― This clam, stranded on someone’s floor, is trying to dig itself (forksclovetofu), Thursday, 19 July 2012 04:00 (eleven years ago) link
also that picture makes it look like he just heard about it himself
― This clam, stranded on someone’s floor, is trying to dig itself (forksclovetofu), Thursday, 19 July 2012 04:01 (eleven years ago) link
Getting stupider by the second:
Earlier tonight, George Zimmerman gave his first televised interview to Sean Hannity on Fox News. Zimmerman offered an apology of sorts to Martin's parents, but refused to express regret for what happened. He also gave his account of Martin's killing.The apology came at the end of the interview, with Zimmerman telling Hannity what he'd say to Martin's family. "I would tell them again that I'm sorry. I am sorry they buried their child. I can't imagine what it must feel like, and I pray for them daily."Despite the apology, Zimmerman made it clear that he didn't regret any of his actions, because it was all divinely pre-ordained. "It was all God's plan, and for me to second guess it or judge it...," he said before trailing off. When Hannity asked if there was anything he'd do differently in retrospect, Zimmerman answered, "No, sir." Later he added, "I do wish there was something, anything, I could have done that wouldn't have put me in the position where I had to take his life."
The apology came at the end of the interview, with Zimmerman telling Hannity what he'd say to Martin's family.
"I would tell them again that I'm sorry. I am sorry they buried their child. I can't imagine what it must feel like, and I pray for them daily."
Despite the apology, Zimmerman made it clear that he didn't regret any of his actions, because it was all divinely pre-ordained. "It was all God's plan, and for me to second guess it or judge it...," he said before trailing off. When Hannity asked if there was anything he'd do differently in retrospect, Zimmerman answered, "No, sir." Later he added, "I do wish there was something, anything, I could have done that wouldn't have put me in the position where I had to take his life."
― Marco YOLO (Phil D.), Thursday, 19 July 2012 12:32 (eleven years ago) link
This fucking guy, ugh.
― LISTEN TO THIS BRAD (Nicole), Thursday, 19 July 2012 12:52 (eleven years ago) link
"I do wish there was something, anything, I could have done that wouldn't have put me in the position where I had to take his life."
he should've pleaded insanity, because this is a convincing case for it. what a creep.
― Call Surgeon General C. Everett Koop. Poo-poo-pa-doop. (stevie), Thursday, 19 July 2012 13:02 (eleven years ago) link
dude is going to jail for forever
― camp lo magellan (Whiney G. Weingarten), Thursday, 19 July 2012 13:14 (eleven years ago) link
It is God's plan that he go to jail forever, so i'm sure he's cool w it.
― Emperor Cos Dashit (Adam Bruneau), Thursday, 19 July 2012 14:44 (eleven years ago) link
hoooly wow
― arby's, Thursday, 19 July 2012 14:46 (eleven years ago) link
is it wrong to hope that bad things happen to him?
― contenderizer, Thursday, 19 July 2012 14:48 (eleven years ago) link
it is but that is not stopping me
― PITILESS LIVE SHOW (DJP), Thursday, 19 July 2012 14:49 (eleven years ago) link
fox news' writeup on the interview sidestepping all the crazy/damning shit in gross non-shocker
― arby's, Thursday, 19 July 2012 14:56 (eleven years ago) link
idk...why i read it tbh
― arby's, Thursday, 19 July 2012 14:57 (eleven years ago) link
I don't think it's wrong to wish justice on someone who killed somebody and feels like it was totally an ok thing to do.
― Emperor Cos Dashit (Adam Bruneau), Thursday, 19 July 2012 15:31 (eleven years ago) link
he's insane to even give this interview but I'm not so sure he's going to jail tbh
― the alternate vision continues his vision quest! (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 19 July 2012 15:32 (eleven years ago) link
His life will be jail.
― Emperor Cos Dashit (Adam Bruneau), Thursday, 19 July 2012 15:34 (eleven years ago) link
What a freeloading cretin.
― LISTEN TO THIS BRAD (Nicole), Thursday, 19 July 2012 21:59 (eleven years ago) link
really learned his lesson after that bail hearing eh
― the alternate vision continues his vision quest! (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 19 July 2012 22:09 (eleven years ago) link
gets lolzier:
he man accused of murdering an unarmed Florida teenager dropped plans for a second television interview after the ABC network would not provide a month of "shelter and security" for his family, his attorney said Thursday.
― the alternate vision continues his vision quest! (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 19 July 2012 23:13 (eleven years ago) link
I'm all for forgiving people their crimes but this dude's lack of contrition is insane. don't begrudge Trayvon's parents reaction at all.
― the alternate vision continues his vision quest! (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 19 July 2012 23:16 (eleven years ago) link
maybe he asked for one night alone with barbara walters
― This clam, stranded on someone’s floor, is trying to dig itself (forksclovetofu), Saturday, 21 July 2012 04:11 (eleven years ago) link
Thursday, July 19, 2012 7:16 PM (2 days ago)
Saturday, July 21, 2012 12:11 AM (6 minutes ago)
― NASCAR, surfing, raising chickens, owning land (zachlyon), Saturday, 21 July 2012 04:20 (eleven years ago) link
missing your point?
― This clam, stranded on someone’s floor, is trying to dig itself (forksclovetofu), Saturday, 21 July 2012 06:30 (eleven years ago) link