~~~~~nutrition nazis 2012~~~~~

you very well may be changing the shape of your body in a positive way still. don't be discouraged by the numbers because that doesn't tell the whole story imo. just keep working at it

yah don't worry about the weight piece tza, you are a champion

if you feel stronger you probably are getting stronger, which will keep your weight pretty constant.

muscle weighs more than fat iirc

i know all that but laziness made me gain weight from my previous period of awesome and i would really like it to come back off. it's especially frustrating since the last time i was on a routine like this i lost weight much more easily. is this what happens when you get old?

Yes, yes it is.

all you can say is lol bodies, don't blame it on yourself (and "laziness")

^^^

I'm trying to adopt a rather nostalgic attitude about my younger body, like "hey wasn't it so awesome to eat like that, and smoke and drink, and still rock crazy little bikinis and minis? Wasn't that something? Boy, those were the days!" The same attitude I have about those long-gone days of staying out all night, doing drugs, crushing on boys with guitars, etc. Fun then, NAGL now.

staying foxy is another discussion entirely

Tza it totally sucks but it's true that aging effects that. It is way harder for me to lose weight now than it was when I was younger. I didn't want to admit it because most days I still feel 18 but age is definitely a factor.

le sighhhhh

so on the plus side, this morning after boot camp (which, btw, i got up at 5:45 to attend on my day off!) i actually found myself wishing it'd been longer.

http://www.webmd.com/diet/news/20120626/all-calories-not-created-equal-study-suggests

kinda confirms what I've been suspecting lately!

I am pretty constant in the amount of food I eat from day to day but I def notice that on baking days, I tend to feel 'heavier' the next day, probably on account of all the brownies and cookie dough I sneak on the side ;~(

My whole foods now has health starts here salad dressings on the bar - no oil, lots of flavor!

it is a lot easier to not eat carbs during summer, i find. as long as i don't buy chips at the store. don't buy chips at the store. don't. buy. chips.
what i have been eating for the saltiness factor is avocado with soy sauce on it. which is really satisfying! my stomach is much happier too. i don't even know why i started eating chips again. maybe because i was eating them while on vacation in april. eesh.

i firmly believe that study, especially for myself, as lowish-carb is great for me, but i also believe that people's bodies are different and handle different kinds of food differently. that is my non-committal answer.

i was just thinking about this thread because i bought raspberries, strawberries and cherries at the store today and some ricotta to go with them! dessert meal

we have an (inadvertent) bag of chips in the house and it's just the best and the worst

anyway does anybody know what happens when you mix high GI and low GI foods? I read somewhere the overall effect is that of eating the equiv. of medium GI food. wondering if that's how asians avoid diabetes!

yeah i was talking to a friend last night who just got back from a couple of weeks visiting family and she said she'd forgotten how many people just have pantries stuffed with easy food like chips and crackers and granola bars, etc, food you don't have to do anything to, just take out of the bag/box and eat. i seriously have none of that food in my house (because nutrition nazi). unless fruit counts as easy food.

i totally had poutine and beer for dinner last night though.
everything in moderation!
xp

well, the rule i have learned is that if you're going to eat something like white rice, always eat it with protein, fat and fibre/vegetables. basically always eat carbs with protein at the very least, not alone. as a regular, non-athlete person.

yeah that makes sense. who eats white rice by itself? jeez

i think some people just eat it with vegetables, no protein or fat
or yknow, pasta with tomato sauce, toast with jam, etc

I've been experimenting with green smoothies in my Vitamix but every time I include celery (in most green smoothie recipes), I don't like the taste. Too, uh, 'green.'

Thinking about ditching celery for extra spinach/kale, unless I'm missing something special about celery?

celery has a punchy taste, I would ditch it and maybe add carrots instead?

okay that's not green, go with the extra spinach

Carrots would be good, I think. I'll try that next time.

been doing this lately:

bunch of spinach
green apple or pear
scoop of flax seeds
scoop of unflavored whey protein
cucumber
whatever else is around that sounds interesting

white (jasmine) rice is not even a little bad for you! i am chief of the brown rice patrol, but the health benefits of jasmine are basically equivalent to much of the brown that I eat, and it cooks more quickly and doesn't tend to overwhelm a lot of the delicate sauceys I make

I pretty much only eat brown rice now -- I didn't know that jasmine was as beneficial!

yeah wow that's great. doubly so because it is the best white rice, imo.

what's good about it? i'm making brown jasmine right now.

harbl, overachiever.

Super interesting series of 3 short videos from Dr. Michael Greger's excellent nutritionfacts.org site about bacterial endotoxins & saturated fat. Its been known for a couple of decades that meals with saturated fat cause arterial inflammation, leading to cholesterol plaque deposition and thence heart attacks and strokes. Turns out the main culprit may not be the fat itself, but cooking resistant bacterial toxins in the meat/cheese that are transported through the intestinal wall in the presence of saturated fats:

1: The Leaky Gut Theory of Why Animal Products Cause Inflammation
2: The Exogenous Endotoxin Theory
3: Dead Meat Bacteria Endotoxemia

http://opinionator.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/07/24/more-on-milk/
http://opinionator.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/07/07/got-milk-you-dont-need-it/

mr bittman is becoming more and more of a NN by day

I've already quit milk but thinking about totally quitting cheeses + ice cream + dairy creamer too now

(Worth noting: they’re far more easily digested as yogurt or cheese than as fluid milk.)

oh good, sometimes people look at me like I am crazy when I tell them liquid milk gives me heartburn but cheese is no big deal. Not crazy!

his argument for everyone reducing milk intake seems to be "some people are lactose intolerant".

i know there are serious arguments for everyone to reduce milk intake, but he doesn't make them. his argument is like saying we should stop telling people to walk to work because some people only have one leg.

hidden in there is what he's actually saying, and which all his own argument supports, which is "I do think that on the basis of what appears to be widespread experience anyone with chronic heartburn or any of the other ailments mentioned above would be missing an opportunity if he or she didn’t give a nondairy diet a shot."

ban milk

I know that i feel p shitty after having coffee with creamer, al though I do feel a different kind of shitty drinking black coffee on an empty stomach

but w/ the way milk is marketed in the US and how being lactose intolerant makes you feel like you have a green horn growing from your school Im glad somebody is stepping up to fight big dairy!

yeah it sounds like there are historical milk issues at play over there

"from your school" I meant 'from your head'

although it's not surprising that I associate milk w/ school, I was fed bags of milk from grades 1-12, it was the standard drink issued

although fwiw saying things like "1½ pounds by weight", which is *absolutely meaningless* but is clearly included to appal/shock, makes me think he's being deliberately misleading or doesn't know very much about nutrition

note: i like his recipes

http://i.imgur.com/kZFpV.jpg

I had only read 1/3 of the article when I posted before, the rest of the article was spot-on to my experience, except I hate going to doctors so I just googled & found that coffee with milk can be heartburny. I've noticed that milk with sugar added (I used to drink coffee with both) was what really got me. I switched to soy cream for my coffee and almond milk for smoothies and almost never get heartburn, unless I eat something REALLY cheesy or something like cheesecake/ice cream. But I avoid those 90% of the time.

http://silksoymilk.com/images/product/creamerOriginal.png
thank you for saving coffee

Newly minted doctors in the U.S. typicaly don't get even the 25 hours of nutrition training recommended by the National Academy of Sciences, and what they do get is focused on acute deficiency syndromes. Ie, any curious layperson can learn more about nutrition than their physician's formal training with only a few weeks of study, much as any curious layperson can learn more about their particular disease than non-specialist physician might know with modest effort.

So its not terribly surprising that few people with potentially dairy related disorders don't receive the simple advice of trying a dairy-free diet for a few weeks.

This video lecture by John McDougall runs a bit long, but its a nice introduction to some of the health issues associated with dairy consumption. Nutritionfacts.org has 50+ better referenced short videos on current/recent research related to dairy.

my mom works at a hospital (not as a doctor) but hangs out with doctor friends. when she told them she had stopped drinking milk on my advice they looked at her as if she had a third eye

how many eyes does she have?

Ahem. ^^ ... few people with potentially dairy related disorders receive the simple advice ...