I'd strike the "but not willfully" but otherwise OTM
― Victory Chainsaw! (DJP), Wednesday, 20 June 2012 19:04 (eleven years ago) link
I guess if it's "haha that dude has large teeth" it's more being a dick about his personal appearance, but it's hard to divorce them from "he has large teeth, which is a common thing and a racial characteristic"
it's all racism, yeah
― mh, Wednesday, 20 June 2012 19:06 (eleven years ago) link
"these shoes are ridiculous AND offensive, this fashion designer is clearly trolling for publicity" is mmmaybe crediting too much intent to what i suspect was nothing more than a potentially controversial product sailing through a huge cultural blind spot on its way to market
― real men have been preparing manly dishes for centuries (elmo argonaut), Wednesday, 20 June 2012 19:08 (eleven years ago) link
jeremy scott is not generally known for subtlety, if he was going to explore racial imagery you'd probably get a lot more overt stuff than orange plastic shackles.
― real men have been preparing manly dishes for centuries (elmo argonaut), Wednesday, 20 June 2012 19:11 (eleven years ago) link
ha this is true, there would probably have been a matching necklace that looked like a noose
― Victory Chainsaw! (DJP), Wednesday, 20 June 2012 19:12 (eleven years ago) link
I would have said the bottleopener wasn't as racist due to our good friend, Mr. Ignorance. Just like the Britishes who I don't believe are racist or prejudiced didn't quite get the American discomfort of that particular product, I can only assume that the bottleopener's creator was making a goofy caricature of a black athlete without fucking using his head first. Perhaps the intent wasn't racist, but the result was. At least it wasn't done for a box of cornbread.
But this Jeremy Scott fella leapfrogged over the caricature motif and right into the very symbol of slavery. And not with a bottle opener or a monster costume, but with athletic shoes made by a brand that focuses on the most African-American dominated sport in this nation. If that dude really was all "hee hee, aintcha heard of the purple monster?", I would have been all "sure I have. How about you wear those to the Juneteenth celebration and I just follow you at a safe distance with this camcorder?"
― pplains, Wednesday, 20 June 2012 19:13 (eleven years ago) link
I can see these shoes being designed by Buster in an episode of Arrested Development.
― nuts spats (Austerity Ponies), Wednesday, 20 June 2012 19:18 (eleven years ago) link
Michael, who is at a bar with a journalist, trying to explain away a recent racist outburst by Lucile, looks up at the TV to see Gob announcing this new line of 'shackle shoes', with buster giggling in the background, playing with his my-pet-monster-inspired shoes. Zoom in on journalists open-mouthed expression. Zoom in of Michael making oh no face. "You're probably not going to believe me when I tell you that there is a perfectly innocent explaination for these shoes."
― nuts spats (Austerity Ponies), Wednesday, 20 June 2012 19:19 (eleven years ago) link
ha the bottle episode was like a game of race telephone between the UK, US and Brazil which (afaik) are the three most racially dicked-over societies on earth
― goole, Wednesday, 20 June 2012 19:29 (eleven years ago) link
bottle *opener* episode, i think u know i meant.
Gob walks in with Franklin to top it off
― mh, Wednesday, 20 June 2012 19:30 (eleven years ago) link
Am I the only one who sees those silly-ass shoes as potentially racist, yet in a different racist context: ie. suggestive of those '80s "inner-city youth shot to death for his sneakers" incidents?
― Race Against Rockism (Myonga Vön Bontee), Wednesday, 20 June 2012 20:21 (eleven years ago) link
when i clicked on the thread i hopefully said "10 to 1" to myself -- not close, but 10 to 4 ain't bad either as far as vindicating my fun. hate --here's my lumber, so jack me maybe (some dude)
I think it's a stretch to see these as racist or even particularly insensitive --Love Max Ophüls of us all (Michael White)
Good call, Michael WHITE
― la musica de harry frogbs (Whiney G. Weingarten), Wednesday, 20 June 2012 23:53 (eleven years ago) link
Lol at Shipley post that I was gonna zing still in my iphone
― la musica de harry frogbs (Whiney G. Weingarten), Wednesday, 20 June 2012 23:54 (eleven years ago) link
has everyone still not absorbed the fact that intent doesn't matter
nearly every racist thing in this thread was created/started by an idiot who wasn't trying to be racist
getting to a certain point in your life -- like the point where you're a famous shoe designer or w/e -- and still lacking the foresight/knowledge/common sense to realize that sneakers with shackles on them are going to be received as 'offensive' only means you don't know a damn fucking thing about race/blackness in the modern world. no one should be forgiven for not even attempting to make themselves less stupid.
― of family bonds and individual triumph. Narrated by Tim Allen, (zachlyon), Thursday, 21 June 2012 19:50 (eleven years ago) link
anyway, this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KC2zbOwbeEs
sry oliver looks like 'yes' from the trailer (not that i'm gonna actually see it)
the juxtaposition between the innocent lilywhite damsel in distress and the maniacal googly-eyed salma + innocent cuddly romantic white pot growers, one of whom is extremely violent but in a way that would make him endearing (DOING IT FOR LOVE DAMMIT) fighting against the evil scary brown drug cartel who are also just stereotypes + actually using ironic cultural appropriation as a weapon + 'savages'
now obv there is a possibility that the movie attempts very hard to equate the two sides as equally 'savage'. (i'm guessing that's the case, and that it also sucks at making any of its points cogent or comprehensible.) but if the trailer is any indication, it still won't be able to make any point/commentary without still being fucked up about it. if nothing else, whoever cut the trailer (the selling point is 'come watch these keut whites take on evil latinos n save their black+white princess') did a fucked up job of it.
― of family bonds and individual triumph. Narrated by Tim Allen, (zachlyon), Thursday, 21 June 2012 22:22 (eleven years ago) link
preposterous and awesome
― pandemic, Thursday, 21 June 2012 22:26 (eleven years ago) link
zachlyon, are you incapable of understanding written English or did you just gloss over the big argument between pplains and me and do I need to point out again that telling the black dude how he should be responding to racism on the "is this racist?" thread is an interesting, drowning-in-irony choice
― Victory Chainsaw! (DJP), Thursday, 21 June 2012 23:14 (eleven years ago) link
Point taken, but I'm still going to tell the black dude that he's way off on Family Guy.
― pplains, Thursday, 21 June 2012 23:47 (eleven years ago) link
lol
― Victory Chainsaw! (DJP), Friday, 22 June 2012 00:03 (eleven years ago) link
I would be sad if you didn't!
― Victory Chainsaw! (DJP), Friday, 22 June 2012 00:04 (eleven years ago) link
wait what
DJP i agree with everything you've said itt about the shoes and i don't think my post was directed @ any black dudes? just felt like it was worth reiterating that intent isn't the important thing here
― of family bonds and individual triumph. Narrated by Tim Allen, (zachlyon), Friday, 22 June 2012 03:02 (eleven years ago) link
is it just the difference between calling it racist and calling it fucked up, based on intent? was just saying that innocent intent doesn't excuse ignorance, not trying to compare it to the bottle opener or anything or add to that strain of the conversation at all. but i can see how it can be taken that way, so i'm sorry about that, wasn't my "INTEEEENT" to dispute your response.
― of family bonds and individual triumph. Narrated by Tim Allen, (zachlyon), Friday, 22 June 2012 03:15 (eleven years ago) link
DJP is "my favorite black man"
― mh, Friday, 22 June 2012 03:25 (eleven years ago) link
That post is already looking way too bad and I m still kind of tipsy. Shit.
― mh, Friday, 22 June 2012 03:26 (eleven years ago) link
LOVE YOU DAN
yeah DJP i didn't really understand why you went after zach there, didn't feel like he was telling you or anyone what to think
― here's my lumber, so jack me maybe (some dude), Friday, 22 June 2012 03:31 (eleven years ago) link
well maybe he shouldn't have started out his post with 'has everyone'
― un® (dayo), Friday, 22 June 2012 03:38 (eleven years ago) link
I just finished an argument with pplains where I said I was sure dude's intent wasn't racially motivated, which is why I think the shoes are not intentionally racist even though they present that way, so zach saying "how many times do we have to say intent doesn't matter, you should find this racist" sounded like a reiteration of pp's side of the argument to me
― Victory Chainsaw! (DJP), Friday, 22 June 2012 03:40 (eleven years ago) link
I apologize for the harsh reaction
― Victory Chainsaw! (DJP), Friday, 22 June 2012 03:41 (eleven years ago) link
My mistake, for the record, wasn't presuming that you should be offended, but presuming that you would be offended.
― pplains, Friday, 22 June 2012 03:50 (eleven years ago) link
no need to apologize, i see it. i was sort of jumping over the convo there and responding to michael white et al saying that it wasn't offensive because scott wasn't trying to be offensive. i forgot that the guardian article at the beginning explicitly said that the implications were intentional.
― of family bonds and individual triumph. Narrated by Tim Allen, (zachlyon), Friday, 22 June 2012 03:52 (eleven years ago) link
well really, the whole thought process that leads to someone making shackle shoes without thinking about what they'd look like on the target audience is one that makes me derisively laugh more than anything else
― Victory Chainsaw! (DJP), Friday, 22 June 2012 03:54 (eleven years ago) link
let's not forget the larger issue here -- jeremy scott makes really dumb clothes
― goole, Friday, 22 June 2012 03:55 (eleven years ago) link
i'm glad we're back to discussing things where the level of racism is actually up for debate, i guess?
― here's my lumber, so jack me maybe (some dude), Friday, 22 June 2012 03:55 (eleven years ago) link
oh me too, I promise I will do my best to stop being touchy because I don't want to squelch the conversation
― Victory Chainsaw! (DJP), Friday, 22 June 2012 03:57 (eleven years ago) link
There's a gong sound, chop suey font and more, but all the folks in this video seem in on it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F1Ee3qJEVZQ
I'm hoping Dayo or Jimmy show up so we can tell them how they should feel about this.
― pplains, Friday, 22 June 2012 03:59 (eleven years ago) link
are you sure that wasn't just compiled from vids already on yt
― of family bonds and individual triumph. Narrated by Tim Allen, (zachlyon), Friday, 22 June 2012 04:08 (eleven years ago) link
http://www.xxlmag.com/news/2012/06/phrenology-of-chief-keef/
...
― littledotheyknow (D-40), Friday, 22 June 2012 12:55 (eleven years ago) link
wow, chief keef has the same amount of brain matter dedicated to pictures of birdman touching his chin as i do
― here's my lumber, so jack me maybe (some dude), Friday, 22 June 2012 12:58 (eleven years ago) link
No, I'm not sure, now that you mention it. What a weird thing to compile, if that's the case.
― pplains, Friday, 22 June 2012 14:03 (eleven years ago) link
― here's my lumber, so jack me maybe (some dude), Friday, June 22, 2012 7:58 AM (5 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
loooool
― littledotheyknow (D-40), Friday, 22 June 2012 18:14 (eleven years ago) link
http://felkes.tumblr.com/post/23019812161/hello-you-might-know-me-as-lanina-from-werelist-i
― s.clover, Saturday, 23 June 2012 17:32 (eleven years ago) link
holy
― goole, Saturday, 23 June 2012 18:07 (eleven years ago) link
the list of animals most commonly identified w/ is disappointing
http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m5xt8pbagR1qg7xy3o1_500.png
isn't there anyone who identifies as a carp or something? non-mammalian therians have it hardest imo
― ogmor, Saturday, 23 June 2012 18:22 (eleven years ago) link
i keep almost starting a thread about this kind of fringe identity stuff. otherkin, but more importantly "transracial"/"transethnic" and "transabled" ppl. i want to find more examples though. all sorts of dumb shit on tumblr/livejournal.
and yeah, no one ever ends up identifying as a non-cute/cool animal/pokemon
― of family bonds and individual triumph. Narrated by Tim Allen, (zachlyon), Saturday, 23 June 2012 19:44 (eleven years ago) link
http://photo.goodreads.com/books/1182852800l/1339239.jpg
looks curious
― ogmor, Saturday, 23 June 2012 19:48 (eleven years ago) link
yeah i found that link via this, which is a bit too outraged for my taste, since the righteousness drowns the lulz: http://ohnotheydidnt.livejournal.com/69900212.html
― s.clover, Saturday, 23 June 2012 20:02 (eleven years ago) link
Methinks the lady doth protest too much etc.
Actually I'm really curious about this transabilism thing; there are actually people with such severe body dysmorphia that they seek to have healthy limbs amputated.
― "Holy crap," I mutter, as he gently taps my area (silby), Saturday, 23 June 2012 20:11 (eleven years ago) link
that ONTD was C+P'd from thought catalog, not really supposed to be funny (it is also the 1 in 50,000 thought catalog articles that doesn't belong in hell)
imo a trans woman of color can be as righteous and angry as she wants @ this bs
― of family bonds and individual triumph. Narrated by Tim Allen, (zachlyon), Saturday, 23 June 2012 20:30 (eleven years ago) link