you know what would have been better, is if Paul Reiser's character had been eaten by Helen Hunt
― the late great, Tuesday, 12 June 2012 21:21 (eleven years ago) link
Yeah but they did it 57 years after the company's first attempt to get the eggs/aliens. Why the gap?
― Keith, Tuesday, 12 June 2012 21:22 (eleven years ago) link
you what woudl have been best, is if paul reiser had really been eaten
― Peppermint Patty Hearst (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 12 June 2012 21:22 (eleven years ago) link
along with Helen Hunt
― Victory Chainsaw! (DJP), Tuesday, 12 June 2012 21:23 (eleven years ago) link
"Aliens" : Some nice effects, but actually kind've a crap film.
― all yoga attacks are fire based (rogermexico.), Tuesday, 12 June 2012 21:23 (eleven years ago) link
(apparently I have "Mad About You" PTSD)
― Victory Chainsaw! (DJP), Tuesday, 12 June 2012 21:24 (eleven years ago) link
― Keith, Tuesday, June 12, 2012 5:22 PM (2 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
they're not there in the first movie in an "attempt to get the eggs/aliens," they run into them on their way to somewhere else. and the company only finds out about it once they find ripley.
― brony ver (s1ocki), Tuesday, 12 June 2012 21:25 (eleven years ago) link
In Aliens I think it's explicitly so that they get an alien inside someone through customs.
― Andrew Farrell, Tuesday, 12 June 2012 21:25 (eleven years ago) link
But doesn't the computer say that the main priority is to return the organism - crew expendible, with the robot in on the story?
― Keith, Tuesday, 12 June 2012 21:26 (eleven years ago) link
you guys have terrible memories
― a dense custard of infinity (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 12 June 2012 21:27 (eleven years ago) link
but that was once Mother was told about the discovery - that wasn't their original mission iirc?
― Peppermint Patty Hearst (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 12 June 2012 21:27 (eleven years ago) link
mission is to bring tiny underpants to space
I assumed this was all in classic 1970s government conspiracy-type stuff, where they were placed in a seemingly random situation, but that the government/company knew all about what they were doing.
― Keith, Tuesday, 12 June 2012 21:28 (eleven years ago) link
like i guess i should have spent my $11 on quirky indie romcom lola versus? or quirky indie rom com safety not guaranteed?
― congratulations (n/a), Tuesday, June 12, 2012 1:38 PM (20 seconds ago)
i saw a good swiss/french documentary about a pair of seasonally itinerant shephards the other day: winter nomads
― contenderizer, Tuesday, 12 June 2012 21:32 (eleven years ago) link
no no keith, the company has a directive that says if they run into alien stuff they are mandated to check it out. it's like a running policy. that's not what their job was.
― brony ver (s1ocki), Tuesday, 12 June 2012 21:35 (eleven years ago) link
First movie: get distress signal, computer wakes up for hypersleep, robot's mission is to get the alien, crew expendable.
Aliens: company knows what's happened to colonists (who either in the director's cut or the novelization or maybe both are sent to "investigate" the eggs, which it recognizes from Ripley's report), send Paul Reiser to bring back creature through customs for weaponizing.
― Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 12 June 2012 21:37 (eleven years ago) link
Remember, in "Aliens" they don't have the colonists investigate until after Ripley gives her report. Then like the next day or so they wake her up and tell her they've lost contact with the colonists.
― Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 12 June 2012 21:38 (eleven years ago) link
the last scene of prometheus really just plays like fan fiction, doesn't it? it doesn't really make any sense in the context of the movie beyond just saying SEE??
― brony ver (s1ocki), Tuesday, 12 June 2012 21:39 (eleven years ago) link
x-post
Well, I guess I never read it that way. The whole thing looks to me as though the company knew exactly what they were sending them to get and it wasn't a random incident. I could be wrong, but seeing Ash's defence of the thing every single step of the way, including letting it in and stopping Dr. Kananga from killing it, which is all odd if they're just following company policy to investigate an anomaly.
However, if this is the case, the company/computer quickly figure out that it is important they keep the alien (see what mother says), so important that killing the crew is less important. This being the case, it still seems weird that once everyone dies (to all intents and purposes) the company then loses interest until 57 years later when Ripley turns up.
― Keith, Tuesday, 12 June 2012 21:40 (eleven years ago) link
how do we know they lost interest? how do we know they knew any of what had happened?
the movie makes it very clear that they were on another job, and that there is a sort of priority override (unknown to the human crew) that kicks in whenever one of the company's ships runs into signs of alien life.
― brony ver (s1ocki), Tuesday, 12 June 2012 21:41 (eleven years ago) link
But they didn't lose interest at all. They didn't find out about it until they found Ripley and heard her report, and once she told them, it was a matter of days before all hell had broken loose down on the planet.
― Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 12 June 2012 21:42 (eleven years ago) link
Nostromo coming home>>distress signal/wake up>> crew member impregnated/alien hatches>> computer changes mission to bring back alien at all costs>>>everyone dies, Ripley blows up ship, floats off>>>>>
57 years pass
company finds Ripley, learn she found an alien on this planet, blew everything up>>company tells colonists on planet to investigate alleged alien/eggs, they all die/birth aliens>>>Ripley and marines go to planet to "rescue" colonists but really to get the company an alien.
― Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 12 June 2012 21:44 (eleven years ago) link
So I can see this if we assume that Ash/Mother are acting completely autonomously from the company... The whole 'crew expendible' thing is something that Mother decides on its own and Ash carries out based on that? My assumption is that instructions are being received from the company.
x-post okay I see that's what you think. Still a bit odd that they would let the computer act autonomously.
― Keith, Tuesday, 12 June 2012 21:46 (eleven years ago) link
I assumed there were standing orders from the company. Like, do your job, but if you find an alien, your mission has changed.
― Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 12 June 2012 21:48 (eleven years ago) link
PS Don't tell the crew, because they are expendable.
― Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 12 June 2012 21:49 (eleven years ago) link
Yes maybe. I'll give up after this, but it's still a bit odd that the computer wouldn't inform Earth and if they were really interested, why not send something better equipped along to check it out. They indicate in Aliens that it's possible to communicate with far away places in reasonable time (i.e. they've lost contact with the colony).
― Keith, Tuesday, 12 June 2012 21:50 (eleven years ago) link
Oh dear, something very very film dorky suggested itself to me just now.
So David8 really loves Lawrence of Arabia and presumably thinks David Lean is all right for a human director and etc.
David Lean's final film project, which was just about set to film before he died, was an adaptation of...Nostromo.
― Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 12 June 2012 21:51 (eleven years ago) link
Hehe, that is film dorky!
― Keith, Tuesday, 12 June 2012 21:52 (eleven years ago) link
But Ripley's not on earth in "Aliens," they're somewhere out in space, presumably not far from the colony. As far as I remember, in the first, second and this new one, no one ever contacts or talks to earth.
― Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 12 June 2012 21:54 (eleven years ago) link
xpost whoa
― Peppermint Patty Hearst (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 12 June 2012 21:56 (eleven years ago) link
SUPER dorky
^^^OTM
crew of nostromo/Mother are not in contact with earth
xxp
― a dense custard of infinity (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 12 June 2012 21:56 (eleven years ago) link
Just wandered next door to check:
special order 937
science officer only
nostromo rerouted
to new co-ordinates
investigate lifeform. Gather specimen
priority one
insure return of organism
for analysis
all other considerations secondary
crew expendable
― Andrew Farrell, Tuesday, 12 June 2012 21:58 (eleven years ago) link
What else did Mother tell you?
― Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 12 June 2012 21:59 (eleven years ago) link
Also I hope you didn't turn your back on Ripley this time.
KILL ASH
― Peppermint Patty Hearst (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 12 June 2012 21:59 (eleven years ago) link
Which I didn't remember - like the rest of y'all I thought everything happened in response to finding an alien at a random distress call.
― Andrew Farrell, Tuesday, 12 June 2012 22:00 (eleven years ago) link
I did think it was Earth in Aliens right enough, though it's never stated. I guess the point is the company rather than Earth though xxxp.
― Keith, Tuesday, 12 June 2012 22:04 (eleven years ago) link
Also, thanks Andrew, I knew there was some sort of conspiracy in there. Shakey, you are entirely right about (certainly my) shit memory. I only watched it last night!
― Keith, Tuesday, 12 June 2012 22:05 (eleven years ago) link
Alien was far more 70s anti-corporate than anti-govt, tho I always got the vibe that by that point in the future there was probably little difference.
― Dreaming in Infrared (kingfish), Tuesday, 12 June 2012 22:11 (eleven years ago) link
By Alien Resurrection the tide's shifted and Weyland had been bought by Wal-Mart
really
― mh, Tuesday, 12 June 2012 22:36 (eleven years ago) link
For all I remember of that piece of crap, that may be right!
― Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 12 June 2012 22:41 (eleven years ago) link
― Andrew Farrell, Tuesday, June 12, 2012 6:00 PM (51 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
it DID! but special order 937 is a standing order that applies to just that situation
― brony ver (s1ocki), Tuesday, 12 June 2012 22:53 (eleven years ago) link
Some sound design talk:
http://www.wired.com/underwire/2012/06/sound-of-prometheus/
― Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 12 June 2012 22:53 (eleven years ago) link
i wish that url just lead to an mp3 of a bronx cheer
― brony ver (s1ocki), Tuesday, 12 June 2012 22:54 (eleven years ago) link
Prometheus: The SmellOVision Experience
― Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 12 June 2012 22:54 (eleven years ago) link
lol s1ocki
― Peppermint Patty Hearst (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 12 June 2012 22:57 (eleven years ago) link
Yeah, except … it's established in dialogue that Dallas had previously run five missions with another science officer, who was replaced two days before the Nostromo took off by Ash. The Company at least anticipated something was up, or they would not have hastily arranged for Ash to be on the mission.
I'm also pretty sure that the establishing shot of the space station where Ripley wakes up in Aliens implies that it's orbiting Earth.
― Julie Derpy (Phil D.), Tuesday, 12 June 2012 22:57 (eleven years ago) link
Morbz were the Charlie Chan films a franchise y/n?
― Julie Derpy (Phil D.), Tuesday, 12 June 2012 23:01 (eleven years ago) link
One of my favorite throw-away lines in Aliens is the reference to previous "bug-hunts" - the Marines get called in to mop up the blowback from previous Special Order 937s.
HUDSON: Is this going to be a stand-up fight, Sir, or another bug-hunt?
GORMAN: All we know is that there's still no contact with the colony and that a xenomorph may be involved.
WIERZBOWSKI: A what?
HICKS (to Wierzbowski; low): It's a bug-hunt.
― Elvis Telecom, Tuesday, 12 June 2012 23:05 (eleven years ago) link