ugh do i really have to pick a side of either yon brosteppers or the minimal crowd? where's the plank i'll just walk that instead
― fauxmarc, Thursday, 7 June 2012 19:44 (11 months ago) Permalink
I'm sorry, it's brostep or nothing. But if you pick brostep you get a complimentary Korn album
― mh, Thursday, 7 June 2012 19:45 (11 months ago) Permalink
Wow, it's not about choosing sides, surely. Not for us anyway.
― MikoMcha, Thursday, 7 June 2012 19:50 (11 months ago) Permalink
I would say though, a dude like Nicholas Jaar might be better served than to draw attention to the tastefulness of his music (I also can't believe we're now discussing this)...
― MikoMcha, Thursday, 7 June 2012 19:53 (11 months ago) Permalink
idk if that's the point
― mh, Thursday, 7 June 2012 19:55 (11 months ago) Permalink
unless your fetish for this music is that it's not "tasteful"
I mean, there have been pretty intellectual dudes making flat-out crazy and silly dance music forever, but there are also total meatheads. I don't know that intellect or "good/bad" taste come into it from a one-off joke
― mh, Thursday, 7 June 2012 19:56 (11 months ago) Permalink
like... could Jaar have been POKING FUN AT HIMSELF by posting that?
There's so many possibilities :)
― MikoMcha, Thursday, 7 June 2012 20:00 (11 months ago) Permalink
idk, being 22 years old and being near a college campus sounds like it'd be a way to get tired of bros and brostep pretty fast
― mh, Thursday, 7 June 2012 20:04 (11 months ago) Permalink
In any case, this isn't criticism of Jaar (I own some of his records, if that matters to you). But I do think the chart was weird. If its a sign of his own insecurities or a plea for laughs, he went for this genre either way. And honestly, I'm starting to regret linking to that chart...
― MikoMcha, Thursday, 7 June 2012 20:06 (11 months ago) Permalink
given the way that 'brostep' is dealt with by music journalists as a joke, as annoying, as noisy, trashy, cheap, as something that the kids are into, etc. But some of these tracks are really great, I can totally hear echoes of things I LOVE in them, like hardcore and breakbeat house - early Prodigy and XL stuff, Hyper-On Experience, etc
early XL stuff and Prodigy and the like were also cheap and things the kids were into and there were undoubtedly old people bitching about them then, with some of the critical olds occasionally saying they were ok
big obvious things that lots of young people like are always mocked, nothing new to see here
― mh, Thursday, 7 June 2012 20:13 (11 months ago) Permalink
Well, yeah. That's sort of what I'm getting at, except for that final part of there nothing new to see here. It's both a return and mutation of rave aesthetics.
And there's another possibility, of course, that the Jaar list is genuine endorsement! ;)
― MikoMcha, Friday, 8 June 2012 10:58 (11 months ago) Permalink
This has been an interesting revive (though it's played havoc on my last.fm stats oh dear, I'm going to blame that on the hacking, shall I? It can't possibly be me listening to all that Doctor P and SKisM and terrible, terrible things.)
I started looking at this stuff because I accidentally fell in love with a track I suspect to be Brostep-ish, I know to be objectively horrible, and yet I still have become completely obsessed with. And my question was kind of "HOW the fuck did this genre get from X to Y?" (Being someone who only really pays attention when a breakout single from a genre crosses over enough to be ubiquitous.) Where X was probably Night by Benga & Coki and Y was someone saying "well, Full Attention is probably a better fusion of that Dubstep-Pop sound than Britney Spears" when I liked *both* Full Attention and Femme Fatale.
I suppose it's a cliche to find genres interesting either 1) when they haven't fully coalesced yet and they're still quite wide open or 2) when they're so overblown (in a floral sense) and past their prime that they start to totally disintegrate.
But listening to this stuff is the same sense I get sifting through freakbeat/garage pop nuggets from the 60s. That when a genre is this big, this crossed-over/successful and this *active* that due to sheer volume there is going to be some of it that is actually really interesting - especially when the whole hook to the genre is "let's make the freakiest, most fucked-up sounding wacky carnival of sounds using a mass produced version of new technology." Maybe Fruity-Loops is to this kinda music what Vox was to the 60s or the cheap digital delay was to the 90s. If not just dozens or hundreds but thousands of people hear a sound on pop radio or clubs and try to recreate it, with varying degrees of success or mutation, 99% of it might be garbage but the 1% that turns out to be Voices Green And Purple or Sweet Shop is going to make it worth digging through.
But I'm so far removed from this, I don't have to deal with context or bros. (Or S Reynolds unless someone on ILX links to him.) For me, it's just seeing someone on twitter complaining about "wub-step" and me going "hang on, WUB is my favourite sound in the world, are you saying there's WUB in it now coz ifso no matter what it is, I am there." The references to Dungeons & Dragons and green goo type stuff just seems, well, silly to me, because I am not nor have I ever been a teenage boy. But the carnival aspect of some of this sounds a lot more psychedelic in a "whoa, what the fuck was that sound?" than music which is slotted into the "Psychedelic" genre.
Jaar is someone whose music I just can't see the point of, though. It's mystifying to me. But BeatPort charts are also kind mystifying to me tho I know DJs love doing them.
― Coolyplay G (White Chocolate Cheesecake), Saturday, 9 June 2012 08:25 (11 months ago) Permalink
Going through the Wicky Lindows stuff:
― MikoMcha, Saturday, 9 June 2012 10:22 (11 months ago) Permalink
k clearly they're dancing to house but still
― Chris S, Thursday, 14 June 2012 21:47 (11 months ago) Permalink
That guy stepped in something.
― Evan, Thursday, 14 June 2012 21:52 (11 months ago) Permalink
i don't know about that, if that dork w/ the white shorts and sunglasses is on beat the beats are definitely in the 135-140 range (which i suppose could be like hard trance or whatever)
― the late great, Thursday, 14 June 2012 21:53 (11 months ago) Permalink
― owenf, Thursday, 14 June 2012 21:55 (11 months ago) Permalink
― mh, Thursday, 14 June 2012 21:55 (11 months ago) Permalink
do the brostep!
― the late great, Thursday, 14 June 2012 22:02 (11 months ago) Permalink
dude in what looks like furs and shorts and slippers on the far left is pretty cool tho
― owenf, Thursday, 14 June 2012 22:04 (11 months ago) Permalink
he's like the token rave shaman
― Chris S, Thursday, 14 June 2012 22:06 (11 months ago) Permalink
How does one become a rave shaman?
― owenf, Thursday, 14 June 2012 22:08 (11 months ago) Permalink
dunno but raves always have a few of those guys, at least the Cali ones
― Chris S, Thursday, 14 June 2012 22:12 (11 months ago) Permalink
i frankyl can't believe how this thread's turned.
― Scary Move 4 (dog latin), Thursday, 14 June 2012 23:29 (11 months ago) Permalink
― ❏❐❑❒ (gr8080), Tuesday, 11 September 2012 04:10 (8 months ago) Permalink
we've come a long way, baby
the ACTUAL fact of brostep being the soundtrack the State of the Union address HOW. EVEN
― don't call it a cloud rap i've been high for years (zvookster), Wednesday, 13 February 2013 00:33 (3 months ago) Permalink
state of brounion
― mh, Wednesday, 13 February 2013 04:18 (3 months ago) Permalink