Erykah Badu: C /D, S&D

Also worth keeping in mind that Badu is possibly crazy.

trying to be the king of meme music with all his FOUR DAY LONG SONGS FEATURING KE$HA WOAH DUDE

i feel you, but haven't they been doing this sort of thing all along (zareeka etc)? one person's creative high-concept release is another's crass gimmick (see also bjork).

― 40oz of tears (Jordan), Wednesday, June 6, 2012 9:57 PM (4 minutes ago) Bookmark

OTM. Lips have been doing this kind of stuff for ever. Even going back to the 90s with Zaireeka, the Parking Lot Experiments, the boombox concerts, the walls of xmas lights, Christmas on Mars movie (which they started working on back then), the bubble machine, the song about masturbation, etc. This isn't some thing they are cynically just starting to do now with the internet, it's kind of their MO.

Also how is Wayne the bad guy in this? He seems to be the adult/professional in this situation:

Conservative audience! The video was intended for mature audiences and is NOT an Erykah Badu statement.. It is a Flaming Lips video!!!
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6 Jun Wayne Coyne Wayne Coyne ‏@waynecoyne

For the making of and the content of the controversial video !!! We are very sorry if it has offended some of Erykah Badu's more
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6 Jun Wayne Coyne Wayne Coyne ‏@waynecoyne

To all the haters who think Erykah Badu has lost her mind!!! She has NOT!!! The Flaming Lips take full responsibility ..
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Conservative audience! The video was intended for mature audiences and is NOT an Erykah Badu statement.. It is a Flaming Lips video!!!

sweet apology, dude

He coulda gone the EB route and called her a greedy, tasteless hack like she did them.

lol @ "conservative audience"

OTM. Lips have been doing this kind of stuff for ever. Even going back to the 90s with Zaireeka, the Parking Lot Experiments, the boombox concerts, the walls of xmas lights, Christmas on Mars movie (which they started working on back then), the bubble machine, the song about masturbation, etc. This isn't some thing they are cynically just starting to do now with the internet, it's kind of their MO.

― Emperor Cos Dashit (Adam Bruneau), Thursday, June 7, 2012 1:35 PM (9 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

i'm aware of that. at no point was i suggesting that it was a break with their past, just that introducing the internet into the equation, and the guy being middle aged and fairly successful now, has given it a whole gross tinge that those old stunts didn't have imo.

He seems to be the adult/professional in this situation:

Dang!!!!! @fatbellybella you really know how to do it!!!! You hatin on me has gotten the video 100,000 more views !!!LOVE LOVE LOVE

no adult/professional has ever used the phrase "To all the haters"

Yeah how exactly is that unprofessional? I mean his job is King Meme, and this is placing this ridiculous thing in a business context. I say looking on the bright side rather than being personally vindictive is the adult way to go.

I mean "See the greed up close"? Really, EB? Like, how much money do you make from having a music video on youtube? Maybe enough to pay for the studio, crew, lights, etc.

Here's a good wrap-up so far

http://www.deathandtaxesmag.com/184262/epic-twitter-battle-ensues-between-erykah-badu-wayne-coyne-and-michelle-coyne/

God, I really miss suggest ban option right now.

Lol

I bet Ke$ha put Coyne up to this.

zomg Erykah showed up 6 hours late for the video shoot!

"Glitter, Wayne! Glitter!"

Sparkle, Nayrock! Sparkle!

razzle dazzle!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d5pgUbxMsHQ

i thought "see the greed up close" was a pretty good zing and pretty much showed coyne to be pretty shallow

also who the f thinks badu is crazy?!

(She's a little crazy, from the firsthand tales I've heard)

I think she's a little crazy, but in the good way. Not the "bad, shallow, opportunist faux artist" way. Of course, I understand if some people disagree with me on that point, but they better not be Flaming Lips fans.

ppl think shes eccentric for sure

fwiw i think shes coming off better than he is here

I say looking on the bright side rather than being personally vindictive is the adult way to go.

Posting pictures of your lips covered in glitter = adult and professional. Okay.

It's unprofessional to air this kind of stuff in a long rant in public. All of that is something she could have just sent in an email, directly to him. Most of the remarks are personal, or have to do with the working relationship, stuff that none of the public has any first hand knowledge of, so why would she feel the need to put all this out there in public?

Posting pictures of your lips covered in glitter = adult and professional. Okay.

Posting a long public rant about problems with your coworker and calling them an asshole. That is more adult and professional?

One of them is making a move at saving her artistic integrity. The other one is mocking hers. Seems pretty simple to me.

I think Badu's rant does more damage to her artistic integrity than the video did. I had forgotten the video even existed.

eccentric ≠ crazy. of course badu is eccentric but that doesn't mean she's some paranoid nutcase whose allegations can be dismissed with "lol crazy".

public calling out seems a legit move to me if what badu alleges is true - the working relationship has obviously broken down, and that was down to coyne.

how does badu calling out someone who was a douche to her harm her artistic integrity? it adds to it if anything. people should be applauding her.

I'll give her this, it definitely makes her out to be the more self-important Artiste of this whole affair.

It's unprofessional to air this kind of stuff in a long rant in public. All of that is something she could have just sent in an email, directly to him. Most of the remarks are personal, or have to do with the working relationship, stuff that none of the public has any first hand knowledge of, so why would she feel the need to put all this out there in public?

Because, in direct violation of the agreement they made when she and her sister agreed to do the video, she was not granted a viewing or a say on a video that contains naked shots of both her sister and herself before it was blasted out to the public?

If the beef was just "you picked my shitty vocal" you would have a halfway defensible point, but in what universe is the person who said "so you are comfortable doing this video, we will show you the video so you can give input on it before it goes out there... *waits for door to close* *uploads to Pitchfork* *snickers on Twitter*" the more professional person here?

Dudes they had already taken it down before the whole rant!

Really it sounds like a misunderstanding at worst. I doubt Coyne meant her or her integrity harm. Unless Badu had asked them multiple times to take it down with no or negative response, Badu comes off pretty unprofessional. Which is why you don't really get much public bridge-burning of this sort from artists.

oh no other shitty indie bands won't want her to be their heady fwend

who listens to music bc they're impressed with the professionalism of the artist? srsly.

Who the fuck is talking about the listener? Listener has no dog in this fight.

fwiw i think shes coming off better than he is here

― littledotheyknow (D-40), Thursday, June 7, 2012 2:49 PM (8 seconds ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

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oh, so what role are the posters in this thread taking? professional professionalism professors?

ErykahBadoula ‏@fatbellybella 29 May

Those nude photos posted by Wayne (flaming lips) are of the beautiful Nayrok my lil sister and bestee.We do look alike.Video looks cosmic.

ErykahBadoula ‏@fatbellybella 04 June

Official Flaming Lips Vid discussion. How does it make u feel? Astetically, What does it make u fear? Anger?Joy?Freedom?Disgust? Discuss.

She retweets a bunch of comments on it, discusses it with people. If she had asked them to remove it multiple times, it doesn't really show in her twitter account.

also professionals do not say "bestee," i mean c'mon.

Her attacking his wife is pretty lame.
Sonic Violence ‏@SonicViolence
lol @pitchforkmedia playin up this @waynecoyne and @fatbellybella shit. Really? Minutely updates? Yall are strapped for content.

19h ErykahBadoula ErykahBadoula ‏@fatbellybella
@SonicViolence cause @pitchforkmedia and @waynecoyne are closer friends than @pitchforkmedia and @fatbellybella +Wayne's old ass needs this.

19h MichelleMartin-Coyne MichelleMartin-Coyne ‏@mzmartincoyne
Wayne has the ass of a 26 yr old&would never be 6hrs late for a shoot. @fatbellybella @sonicviolence @pitchforkmedia @waynecoyne

18h ErykahBadoula ErykahBadoula ‏@fatbellybella
@mzmartincoyne hi was wondering when u were gonna sober up and say somethin.your husbands an ass and u know it-tell the truth.Do not lie.

18h MichelleMartin-Coyne MichelleMartin-Coyne ‏@mzmartincoyne
Love the video!think you&your sister are stunning!Your track is my favorite! I'm a lover not a fighter @fatbellybella http://pic.twitter.com/7kICNuLW

18h ErykahBadoula ErykahBadoula ‏@fatbellybella
@mzmartincoyne all good.

We are all just rubberneckers.

Because, in direct violation of the agreement they made when she and her sister agreed to do the video, she was not granted a viewing or a say on a video that contains naked shots of both her sister and herself before it was blasted out to the public?

If the beef was just "you picked my shitty vocal" you would have a halfway defensible point, but in what universe is the person who said "so you are comfortable doing this video, we will show you the video so you can give input on it before it goes out there... *waits for door to close* *uploads to Pitchfork* *snickers on Twitter*" the more professional person here?

OTM x 1 million

uh it looks like coyne's wife got involved first

Basically Erykah Badu is being needlessly vindictive and Wayne & his wife are trying to be positive/cute about the whole situation. Of course if you think the Lips are brain dead hippies and Badu is a deep artist, then...

Eh, I'm tired of thinking about this. Gonna leave this thread. Most of you guys are siding with EB anyways, which I really don't understand. Have fun the rest of the day with this.

EB got what she wants, the video was taken down, like a week or so after it was uploaded, retweeted by her, commented on by her fans, etc. Now she is using the opportunity to trash talk this guy.

Dudes they had already taken it down before the whole rant!

Good thing it was retracted before it started floating around the internet so that no one will ever, ever see it.