i think the simon reynolds thing had to do with him talking about timbaland and jay z saying they'd rather listen to coldplay and radiohead than rap
― the late great, Wednesday, 6 June 2012 19:18 (1 year ago) Permalink
'Muse continue in their quest to become the real life Spinal Tap of the early 21st century'
You know, this is the reason I so *want* to like Muse, but I just can't listen to more than about 2 minutes of their music without bursting out laughing.
It's ridiculous, it's pretentious (in the full meaning of that word), it's over the top and bombastic and prog as hell and I should love it, but I just can't. Their music just gets in the way.
― Dixie Narco Martenot (White Chocolate Cheesecake), Wednesday, 6 June 2012 19:20 (1 year ago) Permalink
"The Uprising" was verging on "dubstep with guitars" anyway, all it really needed was a wobble
I mean:
― WHEY AHR MAH DREGUNS? (DJP), Wednesday, 6 June 2012 19:21 (1 year ago) Permalink
There totally was a wobble at about 0:45
I... almost like it. It's like Depeche Mode playing while being tortured. But then the chorus comes in about 1:50 and I can't get past it.
― Dixie Narco Martenot (White Chocolate Cheesecake), Wednesday, 6 June 2012 19:24 (1 year ago) Permalink
16 july for cooly g!
― kanye kardashian (lex pretend), Wednesday, 6 June 2012 19:25 (1 year ago) Permalink
lol actually it looks like a ton of people have been doing Muse dubstep mixes and posting them to Youtube so Muse fans can either go "I usually hate Muse and dubstep but this one is great" or "GET YR FILTHY DUBSTEP AWAY FROM MY PRECIOUS MUSE"
― WHEY AHR MAH DREGUNS? (DJP), Wednesday, 6 June 2012 19:26 (1 year ago) Permalink
lol my ex roommate was a muse fan, he'd go on and on about them and i still have no idea what they sound like
― fauxmarc, Wednesday, 6 June 2012 19:27 (1 year ago) Permalink
I lasted until 3 minutes in that time! But the strings just did for me. I mean, of course, for it to be proper over the top prog, it would have to have totally inappropriate symphonic strings but they were cheesy strings rather than bombastic strings. Sigh.
JULY? I have to wait until July?
― Dixie Narco Martenot (White Chocolate Cheesecake), Wednesday, 6 June 2012 19:27 (1 year ago) Permalink
(xps) on paper, Muse are the kind of band that I should like, pompous, loud, pretentious, and they have a sense of humour about themselves in interviews. But in practice I don't like their stuff at all. Last song of theirs I liked was 'Supermassive Black Hole'. Maybe it's a combination of their lyrics, which are King Crimson grade 6th form poetry full of waffle and nonsense, and the fact that if you walk into a guitar shop on a Saturday morning you are guaranteed to here *that* riff from that Muse song.
― George Peppard Steak (snoball), Wednesday, 6 June 2012 19:28 (1 year ago) Permalink
Yeah, I mean, they had a song called SUPERMASSIVE BLACK HOLE. How does this not have my name all over it? But they just can't seem to do it in a way that pleases me. Like, why do I need this when I own Hawkwind records?
It's ironic that the person who was complaining about it - Muse - (if you're reading this, I <3 you, don't take it personally) sounding like Skrillex is also a massive Justice fan. And I just can't hear much of a difference between Skrillex and Justice.
― Dixie Narco Martenot (White Chocolate Cheesecake), Wednesday, 6 June 2012 19:31 (1 year ago) Permalink
you realize "Supermassive Black Hole" isn't about a vagina, right
― shipl.de.al (some dude), Wednesday, 6 June 2012 19:31 (1 year ago) Permalink
I'm also wondering how the Cooly G album will go down with the kind of Hyperdub obsessed bloggers who can't tell the difference between a photo of Cooly G and a photo of Ikonika, LOL.
― Dixie Narco Martenot (White Chocolate Cheesecake), Wednesday, 6 June 2012 19:33 (1 year ago) Permalink
muse manage to suck with or without the help of dubstep. As did Korn.
― it looks like something rupert the bear would wear (Algerian Goalkeeper), Wednesday, 6 June 2012 19:39 (1 year ago) Permalink
Did Korn "go dubstep"? I'm so out of touch. I don't even know what that means any more. It's like it's code for "start messing around with digital editing and electronic sounds" but without referencing that they are just using a sound palette that was being utilised in Britney Spears records 5 years ago.
― Dixie Narco Martenot (White Chocolate Cheesecake), Wednesday, 6 June 2012 19:43 (1 year ago) Permalink
dubstep Korn is hilarious btw
― WHEY AHR MAH DREGUNS? (DJP), Wednesday, 6 June 2012 19:45 (1 year ago) Permalink
That sounds like bad mid-80s INDUSTRIAL chicken-stomp music!
― Dixie Narco Martenot (White Chocolate Cheesecake), Wednesday, 6 June 2012 19:46 (1 year ago) Permalink
Why does all this stuff sound like the backing track to 'edgy' car commercials?
― George Peppard Steak (snoball), Wednesday, 6 June 2012 19:46 (1 year ago) Permalink
(Right down to the fake "British" accent on "toiym")
― Dixie Narco Martenot (White Chocolate Cheesecake), Wednesday, 6 June 2012 19:47 (1 year ago) Permalink
Korn are only good for comedy and their dubstep singles are the funniest thing they've done since a cover of Cameo's "Word Up" was the lead single off their greatest hits album
― shipl.de.al (some dude), Wednesday, 6 June 2012 19:47 (1 year ago) Permalink
― George Peppard Steak (snoball), Wednesday, June 6, 2012 3:46 PM (51 seconds ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
that's all dubstep is iirc?
― shipl.de.al (some dude), Wednesday, 6 June 2012 19:48 (1 year ago) Permalink
a cover of Cameo's "Word Up"
hang on what, korn? what? lol
― kanye kardashian (lex pretend), Wednesday, 6 June 2012 19:49 (1 year ago) Permalink
xp Yeah, I think dubstep is second only to jungle in terms of how quickly it's gone from cutting edge to advertising go-to staple.
― George Peppard Steak (snoball), Wednesday, 6 June 2012 19:50 (1 year ago) Permalink
lex it was worse than Gun's version
― it looks like something rupert the bear would wear (Algerian Goalkeeper), Wednesday, 6 June 2012 19:50 (1 year ago) Permalink
I know that trying to trace "influence" is a mug's game, but sometimes, just listening to this stuff, I do just kind of boggle, wondering how they got from point A to point B. Like, I can listen to playlists or read a 2-year old ILX thread and hear the progression and see how one thing followed another, and which elements got taken out or left in. But it's mystifying sometimes, the mutations that genres can take.
I suppose it's like back in the 90s, when you started with Acid House and ended up with Jesus Jones.
― Dixie Narco Martenot (White Chocolate Cheesecake), Wednesday, 6 June 2012 19:50 (1 year ago) Permalink
xp Worse than the Mel B version?
― George Peppard Steak (snoball), Wednesday, 6 June 2012 19:52 (1 year ago) Permalink
(I like the Mel B version)
((As if I had any cred to lose))
― Dixie Narco Martenot (White Chocolate Cheesecake), Wednesday, 6 June 2012 19:54 (1 year ago) Permalink
the mel b version is ok! that was the era she was working with missy et al
― kanye kardashian (lex pretend), Wednesday, 6 June 2012 19:55 (1 year ago) Permalink
Why don't you be the judge?
― MarkoP, Wednesday, 6 June 2012 19:55 (1 year ago) Permalink
I'd say it's about on par with ICP's cove rof "Let's Go All The Way".
― MarkoP, Wednesday, 6 June 2012 19:56 (1 year ago) Permalink
I can't. I just can't watch that.
(Not least because it will make my suggested vids on YouTube go completely wacky and try to get me to watch more Korn vids instead of cute owls and Oxford shoegaze bands.)
― Dixie Narco Martenot (White Chocolate Cheesecake), Wednesday, 6 June 2012 19:59 (1 year ago) Permalink
I prefer the Willis version. At least it does something different with the song.Everyone else seems to try and copy Larry Blackmon's vocals and the (909?) drum machine sound. The original can't be beat though, with it's Morricone sample and red PVC codpiece.(meanwhile, in 'dubstep is played out' news, while I was searching for 'Word Up!' videos, I had to watch an IE9 advert featuring dubstep)
― George Peppard Steak (snoball), Wednesday, 6 June 2012 19:59 (1 year ago) Permalink
i'm having a fix of garage pop remixes right now and there is no way i am interrupting it for a korn cover of cameo
― kanye kardashian (lex pretend), Wednesday, 6 June 2012 20:01 (1 year ago) Permalink
b-b-but the singer's face is crudely superimposed onto a small dog's in the video!
― George Peppard Steak (snoball), Wednesday, 6 June 2012 20:02 (1 year ago) Permalink
(no you're right, it is shit)
― George Peppard Steak (snoball), Wednesday, 6 June 2012 20:03 (1 year ago) Permalink
It's not a dog. It's a dingo. As in, dingos ate my dubstep.
I actually kinda like the video for the Willis one. Or at least, I like the fade effect on it. I wonder what program they used to do that.
― Dixie Narco Martenot (White Chocolate Cheesecake), Wednesday, 6 June 2012 20:03 (1 year ago) Permalink
5-year trajectory from "wow, what is that amazing new sound?" to "lazy signifier of ..."
Lazy signifier of what, though?
― Dixie Narco Martenot (White Chocolate Cheesecake), Wednesday, 6 June 2012 20:13 (1 year ago) Permalink
"edginess"
― George Peppard Steak (snoball), Wednesday, 6 June 2012 20:15 (1 year ago) Permalink
How is it even remotely edgy to use a sound-signifier that people were saying was played out but the time it turned up on a Britney single?
― Dixie Narco Martenot (White Chocolate Cheesecake), Wednesday, 6 June 2012 20:18 (1 year ago) Permalink
5 years is pretty slow when you think about popular music history
― shipl.de.al (some dude), Wednesday, 6 June 2012 20:19 (1 year ago) Permalink
xp "edgy" from the point of view of advertising executives
― George Peppard Steak (snoball), Wednesday, 6 June 2012 20:20 (1 year ago) Permalink
Five years is *forever* in pop music culture, though! And has been since at least the leap between '62 and '67!
― Dixie Narco Martenot (White Chocolate Cheesecake), Wednesday, 6 June 2012 20:21 (1 year ago) Permalink
Signifier of "youth" or "edginess" or "urban (but not too dangerous)" I guess which is weird when you're listening to something and hearing a museum piece.
I remember a conversation ages ago, about whether or not it was ridiculous to say that something from 92 would sound dated in 97 but of course it would.
― Dixie Narco Martenot (White Chocolate Cheesecake), Wednesday, 6 June 2012 20:26 (1 year ago) Permalink
i don't think newer muse is that far removed sonically from like that big skrillex track that i forget the name of
― ciderpress, Wednesday, 6 June 2012 20:39 (1 year ago) Permalink
yeah i think of Muse didn't mention the D-word when touting their new music people would probably just hear it and think "oh it's like Undisclosed Desires/Supermassive Blackhole/etc"
― shipl.de.al (some dude), Wednesday, 6 June 2012 20:48 (1 year ago) Permalink
time for a They Weren't Dubstep But They Went Dubstep thread. or maybe Dubstep-Not-Dubstep.
― piscesx, Wednesday, 6 June 2012 20:55 (1 year ago) Permalink
It's the new "there's always been a dubstep element to the Soup Dragons..."
It just doesn't mean anything in terms of genre any more.
― Dixie Narco Martenot (White Chocolate Cheesecake), Wednesday, 6 June 2012 21:05 (1 year ago) Permalink
enjoying that drumstep muse remix and thinking i might actually like muse if this is the kind of bombast they traffic in. like power metal without the metal.
― spextor vs bextor (contenderizer), Wednesday, 6 June 2012 21:21 (1 year ago) Permalink
I guess that bass sound is simple to reproduce and the digital editing can be grafted onto anything without actually having to engage with any of the trickier aspects of dance music, rhythmic complexity or dynamics or anything.
(damn, things I never would have said without 12 years of ILX)
I guess that's the thing - Muse are metal without ever having to commit to the embarrassing aspects of metal. In which case, why bother, really?
― Dixie Narco Martenot (White Chocolate Cheesecake), Wednesday, 6 June 2012 22:08 (1 year ago) Permalink
no, muse are not metal, nor have they ever committed to the glorious aspects of metal.
― it looks like something rupert the bear would wear (Algerian Goalkeeper), Wednesday, 6 June 2012 22:30 (1 year ago) Permalink
Muse are kind of embarrassing but I liked the album with "Supermassive Black Hole". Never checked for anything else by them really cause that's exactly as much as I'll ever need by them and from what I heard, their next album was basically Ron Paul: The Musical.
― they loooovin the crut (The Reverend), Wednesday, 6 June 2012 22:45 (1 year ago) Permalink
I guess that's getting progressively less and less likely though, isn't it?
― Josiah Alan, Thursday, 7 June 2012 06:26 (1 year ago) Permalink
i refuse to believe that there was ever a thing called "boymerang"
― spextor vs bextor (contenderizer), Thursday, 7 June 2012 06:45 (1 year ago) Permalink
Boy Meringue? I'm not touching that.
― Dixie Narco Martenot (White Chocolate Cheesecake), Thursday, 7 June 2012 06:46 (1 year ago) Permalink
a million punchlines flash before my eyes
― spextor vs bextor (contenderizer), Thursday, 7 June 2012 06:49 (1 year ago) Permalink
The suspicion that a band is "trolling their" fans:
-giving them credit for a sense of humour?-not giving them/their fans enough credit?-projected contempt onto fanbase?-profit?
― Dixie Narco Martenot (White Chocolate Cheesecake), Thursday, 7 June 2012 06:52 (1 year ago) Permalink
Boymerang was one of the guys from Bark Psychosis, obviously had great taste in titles.
― Josiah Alan, Thursday, 7 June 2012 07:14 (1 year ago) Permalink
http://m.youtube.com/#/watch?desktop_uri=%2Fwatch%3Fv%3D_gNRW19lodg&v=_gNRW19lodg&gl=US
Hope that works.
― Josiah Alan, Thursday, 7 June 2012 07:24 (1 year ago) Permalink
I guess the modern equivalent would be someone like Deerhoof going 100% dubstep.
― Josiah Alan, Thursday, 7 June 2012 07:37 (1 year ago) Permalink
For a second, I misread that as Chrome Hoof. That would be quite something
― Dixie Narco Martenot (White Chocolate Cheesecake), Thursday, 7 June 2012 07:44 (1 year ago) Permalink
They were that disco metal band right?
Just pick any vaguely arty indie band and swap them into the analogy.
― Josiah Alan, Thursday, 7 June 2012 07:49 (1 year ago) Permalink
yr man from 808 State's Chrome Hoof remix from a while back is good iirc (this is tangential I know)
― geezargh butlargh (DJ Mencap), Thursday, 7 June 2012 08:50 (1 year ago) Permalink
colour me indifferent to Coldplay G also btw - if you came from a magical land where they never existed, this song wouldn't be more than a mild stylistic standout on the album
― geezargh butlargh (DJ Mencap), Thursday, 7 June 2012 08:52 (1 year ago) Permalink
I try very hard to live in that magical land. But let Cooly do what she wants, she's great.
― Josiah Alan, Thursday, 7 June 2012 09:10 (1 year ago) Permalink
well covering a song always means a CHANGE OF DIRECTION. that's why Coldplay themselves are from now on going to sound more like the Beastie Boys.
― shipl.de.al (some dude), Thursday, 7 June 2012 10:06 (1 year ago) Permalink
"Supermassive Blackhole" is my least favorite single off that album
same here, i just used it cause it was the one that had already been referred to upthread
― they loooovin the crut (The Reverend), Friday, 8 June 2012 06:51 (1 year ago) Permalink
It had to be done!
It's funny I guess -ironic funny - that I keep saying that it's a fool's game to try to understand other people's reactions to music you don't like this. When this thread is a joking attempt to do just that. But I suppose that's what prompted the thread - these ideas are rattling around in my head. Hmmmm.
― Coolyplay G (White Chocolate Cheesecake), Friday, 8 June 2012 07:42 (1 year ago) Permalink
I still haven't heard the Coldplay cover, but basically Cooly G is forgiven ANYTHING AND EVERYTHING in advance, because, basically, today, this has been making me so happy it's absurd.
It's got those floaty, spinny My Bloody Valentine noises all over it and just perfectly captures that sense of being really drunk, slow-dancing with someone you really fancy late, late at night, probably outside, with lanterns hanging in the trees around you, and you feel like you're just hanging onto them because they're standing still, and the whole world is spinning round you really slowly and it's just ~perfect~.
― Coolyplay G (White Chocolate Cheesecake), Monday, 11 June 2012 17:40 (1 year ago) Permalink
Muse tours arenas in the US
― wack nerd zinging in the dead of night (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Monday, 11 June 2012 17:43 (1 year ago) Permalink
I should probably go make a proper Cooly G thread to anticipate this album, huh?
― Coolyplay G (White Chocolate Cheesecake), Monday, 11 June 2012 17:44 (1 year ago) Permalink
yes i was just gonna say. there's a track from it streaming online now (not the coldplay one sadly)
― kanye kardashian (lex pretend), Monday, 11 June 2012 17:47 (1 year ago) Permalink
Cooly G sounds like a name for a homie of MC Eiht
― wack nerd zinging in the dead of night (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Monday, 11 June 2012 17:53 (1 year ago) Permalink
Streaming where?
Then again, my home computer isn't fast enough to stream and my work computer doesn't understand "flash" enough to stream.
― Coolyplay G (White Chocolate Cheesecake), Monday, 11 June 2012 18:35 (1 year ago) Permalink
mwah mwah mwah, it's the Cooly G thread
― kanye kardashian (lex pretend), Monday, 11 June 2012 18:39 (1 year ago) Permalink
Automatic thread bump. This poll is closing tomorrow.
― System, Tuesday, 19 June 2012 00:01 (1 year ago) Permalink
Automatic thread bump. This poll's results are now in.
― System, Wednesday, 20 June 2012 00:01 (11 months ago) Permalink