wills does not seem (modern american politically) conservative at all in the nyrb
i like larison, probably because i've only seen him call bullshit rather than say what he really wants
― mookieproof, Tuesday, 5 June 2012 23:14 (eleven years ago) link
Hollywood Republican dudes fall under two categories 1) Action Stars or Tough Guys (i.e. The cast of "The Expendables") 2) former child stars or actors who grew up in Hollywood, with family in the business, who are, for whatever reason, reacting against growing up in an atmosphere of limousine liberalism.
Kurt Russell is both. Robert Downey Jr. is the latter but as he's made more action movies his heart has probably hardened against the poor and downtrodden ("Iron Man")
― Cunga, Tuesday, 5 June 2012 23:25 (eleven years ago) link
according to RDJ it's his prison stint that made him a Republican
― retro-shittified (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 5 June 2012 23:27 (eleven years ago) link
“I have a really interesting political point of view, and it’s not always something I say too loud at dinner tables here, but you can’t go from a $2,000-a-night suite at La Mirage to a penitentiary and really understand it and come out a liberal. You can’t. I wouldn’t wish that experience on anyone else, but it was very, very, very educational for me and has informed my proclivities and politics ever since.”
― retro-shittified (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 5 June 2012 23:28 (eleven years ago) link
which is a really interesting quote - I can't tell if he's referring to being in prison, or the transition from playboy-to-convict itself that "enlightened" him...? what is there to "understand" about that particular journey that renders conservatism inevitable?
― retro-shittified (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 5 June 2012 23:31 (eleven years ago) link
It's easy, Shakes. Prison made him loathe anal sex.
― go down on you in a thyatrr (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 5 June 2012 23:39 (eleven years ago) link
lol
I wonder how he feels about people who were radicalized by being in prison
― retro-shittified (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 5 June 2012 23:41 (eleven years ago) link
daniel larison's pretty smart except when he's not:
The defeat of the Confederacy, though the Confederate political experiment does not exhaust the richness of Southern culture and identity, was a defining moment when the United States took its steps towards the abyss of the monstrous centralised state, rootless society and decadent culture that we have today. In sum, the Confederacy represented much of the Old America that was swept away, and with it went everything meaningful about the constitutional republican system, and the degeneration of that system in the next hundred years was the logical and ultimately unstoppable result of Lincoln’s victory. All of this is in recognition that we are beholden to our ancestors for who we are, and we honour and remember their struggles and accomplishments not only because they can be established as reasonable, good and true but because they are the struggles and accomplishments of our people, who have made this land ours and sanctified it with their blood in defense against the wanton aggression of a barbarous tyranny.
― (The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Wednesday, 6 June 2012 00:01 (eleven years ago) link
i haven't seen expendables, but would like to see one with kelsey grammar, dwight schultz, norm mcdonald, and adam sandler.
― Philip Nunez, Wednesday, 6 June 2012 00:01 (eleven years ago) link
billy madison or punch drunk love sandler only though.
― Philip Nunez, Wednesday, 6 June 2012 00:03 (eleven years ago) link
did larison really say 'honour' and 'centralised'
smdh
btw that is also some fucked up shit
― mookieproof, Wednesday, 6 June 2012 00:06 (eleven years ago) link
Larison and Edmund Wilson aren't so far apart.
― go down on you in a thyatrr (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 6 June 2012 00:08 (eleven years ago) link
American "liberals you like" would be about as tough for me.
I just reviewed a box o' Robert Downey Sr films, and w/ those budgets he wasn't exactly a "limousine" archetype for Jr to rebel against.
― World Congress of Itch (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 6 June 2012 00:12 (eleven years ago) link
TS: The Expendables v.s. this 1994 Kelsey Grammar-hosted episode of SNL (Sandler, Spade, Norm, Lovitz, Jay Mohr)
xpost -- Morbs, even bigger axe to grind if it was his friend's parents who were "socially liberal, financially conservative"
― Cunga, Wednesday, 6 June 2012 00:16 (eleven years ago) link
good lord
http://larison.org/2005/03/01/the-hegemonists-thomas-woods-and-the-league-of-the-south
― mookieproof, Wednesday, 6 June 2012 00:19 (eleven years ago) link
at least you're willing to have beers with us
― mookieproof, Wednesday, 6 June 2012 00:20 (eleven years ago) link
I didn't know you had a column! Talking about pols mostly, not sure I read any actual libs anymore... Krugman, I guess.
― World Congress of Itch (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 6 June 2012 00:23 (eleven years ago) link
i don't know whether Matt Taibbi qualifies as a liberal, or he only appears that way b/c he hates Goldman Sachs.
― Stinky Ray Vaughan (Eisbaer), Wednesday, 6 June 2012 00:24 (eleven years ago) link
surely downey jr is partly rebelling against the countercultural radicalism of his dad?
― flesh, the devil, and a wolf (wolf) (amateurist), Wednesday, 6 June 2012 02:45 (eleven years ago) link
i'd say matt taibbi is to the left of a liberal, where he should be.
― flesh, the devil, and a wolf (wolf) (amateurist), Wednesday, 6 June 2012 02:46 (eleven years ago) link
I like listening to Michael Savage, he has a pleasant voice and at least makes time for real creeps like pedophiles and anti-Semites.
― โตเกียวเหมียวเหมียว aka Bulgarian Tourist Chamber (Mount Cleaners), Wednesday, 6 June 2012 02:47 (eleven years ago) link
whoa that larison post is grim. i knew he was an old right kind of guy but damn.
― goole, Wednesday, 6 June 2012 16:14 (eleven years ago) link
http://i45.tinypic.com/s5ycnd.jpg
― Cunga, Thursday, 7 June 2012 21:53 (eleven years ago) link
http://i45.tinypic.com/2re3xwg.jpg
― Cunga, Thursday, 7 June 2012 21:54 (eleven years ago) link
http://i47.tinypic.com/2elxbt0.jpg
― Cunga, Thursday, 7 June 2012 21:59 (eleven years ago) link
Whiney?
― retro-shittified (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 7 June 2012 22:00 (eleven years ago) link
you like that site?
or do you "like" it
― goole, Thursday, 7 June 2012 22:00 (eleven years ago) link
I just discovered the Caiden Cowger program
― Cunga, Thursday, 7 June 2012 22:01 (eleven years ago) link
rootless society
??? The whole history of non-natives in N. America is largely rootless.
― Love Max Ophüls of us all (Michael White), Thursday, 7 June 2012 22:01 (eleven years ago) link