i don't mean "bought" as in found it to be a likely plot outcome, exactly; the show's not really about plausible plotting in general. i just mean that martin donovan's character turning out to have a genuine, if warped, sense of civic duty was kind of revealed too late in the season for me to totally buy it.
― horseshoe, Tuesday, 5 June 2012 14:51 (1 year ago) Permalink
everything you said otm. i don't know anything about chicago politics but i assume that just the history/phrasing of chicago politics is gonna be the deus ex machina they get to use once in a while to do stupid stuff. cf martin donovan. poor martin donovan. i guess now we have t.i. though.
i think the credits are okay, i think the music is sorta alabama-3-sopranos-credits-lite but i like the whole optical chicago thing, so.
xp no, sure. & it was one of those held-over things that they kinda spun out until the end of the season even though you could figure out mathematically that it was him a few eps prior.
― blossom smulch (schlump), Tuesday, 5 June 2012 14:53 (1 year ago) Permalink
i like that kels can just call in the old stumbly tracksuit guy to go pop an annoyance, though.
wait, what, t.i. is going to be on season 2 omg!
― horseshoe, Tuesday, 5 June 2012 14:55 (1 year ago) Permalink
agreed that the credits song is kind of on-the-nose, but i just love that moment of chicago skyscrapers overlaid with graffiti fists so much for some reason.
― horseshoe, Tuesday, 5 June 2012 14:56 (1 year ago) Permalink
haha! i know. i didn't think the trailer actually looked so hot but i am psyched nonetheless. xp
i think, kinda wrt the credits & stuff, part of what's good about the show is (i have never been to chicago) how it totally gets chicago. but sorta, not really that it necessarily catches some of the place but that a lot of its locations & ambient space just feels appropriate, like people are reposing in the inside of some ugly & tasteful slightly-too-bright luxury condo, or politicians are campaigning on the side of a big ugly freeway
― blossom smulch (schlump), Tuesday, 5 June 2012 14:59 (1 year ago) Permalink
i think, kinda wrt the credits & stuff, part of what's good about the show is (i have never been to chicago) how it totally gets chicago.
Lol. But you're kinda otm, for better or worse. It feels like Chicago.
― Quiet Desperation, LLC (Deric W. Haircare), Tuesday, 5 June 2012 15:04 (1 year ago) Permalink
having lived in chicago and having a dilettante's interest in city politics, that seems true to me, too. it is a little weird to me how mayor daley is supposed to exist in the fictional world of boss and not just be kelsey grammar. when someone actually mentioned daley in one of the episodes it gave me a little jolt. maybe that was supposed to be daley the first? but still.
― horseshoe, Tuesday, 5 June 2012 15:07 (1 year ago) Permalink
i like the chicago sense of ethnic/racial diversity, too; there's tons of it, but it's atomized.
― horseshoe, Tuesday, 5 June 2012 15:08 (1 year ago) Permalink
psyched about sanaa lathan joining the cast, too. i like her.
― horseshoe, Tuesday, 5 June 2012 15:09 (1 year ago) Permalink
Jenny, if you read this thread, i think you would like this show.
― horseshoe, Tuesday, 5 June 2012 15:10 (1 year ago) Permalink
apparently farhad safinia, the creator of boss, previously co-wrote apocalypto with mel gibson. should i see apocalypto?
― horseshoe, Tuesday, 5 June 2012 15:14 (1 year ago) Permalink
there is a mel gibson/ethnic/racial diversity joke here, i can not formulate it though
― blossom smulch (schlump), Tuesday, 5 June 2012 15:16 (1 year ago) Permalink
why is kelsey grammar's name kelsey grammer? "grammer" feels so wrong to type.
xp i know, finding that out about safinia made me suddenly nervous about boss's treatment of race lol
― horseshoe, Tuesday, 5 June 2012 15:17 (1 year ago) Permalink
all anyone knows is that he was christened "kelsey motherfucking grammer", i think the spelling was not so much an issue
― blossom smulch (schlump), Tuesday, 5 June 2012 15:23 (1 year ago) Permalink
Holy shit, the new season started last night!? Way to promote yer wares, there, Starz.
― Old Lunch, Saturday, 18 August 2012 16:03 (10 months ago) Permalink
ive been seeing a lot of promos for it... i dont even get starz!
i downloaded the first season a few days ago, gonna watch it just for my dude k-grams
― WheatusVEVO (Hungry4Ass), Saturday, 18 August 2012 16:04 (10 months ago) Permalink
the spectrum of female character hair colour in this show is very narrow. so many shades of blonde.
― very sexual album (schlump), Wednesday, 22 August 2012 13:55 (9 months ago) Permalink
i bailed on the first season very quickly, maybe i should try to catch up?
― some dude, Wednesday, 22 August 2012 13:57 (9 months ago) Permalink
you should, it's great, you just stopped watching or?
― very sexual album (schlump), Wednesday, 22 August 2012 13:58 (9 months ago) Permalink
first 2-3 episodes just did not compel me to keep watching at the time
― some dude, Wednesday, 22 August 2012 14:03 (9 months ago) Permalink
Yeah, this show is pretty hugely underrated. Not to say that it's quite as good as either, but it feels very "Breaking Bad (sociopathic protagonist with life-threatening physical ailment seizing & keeping power by any means necessary) meets The Wire (the effects of byzantine politics on every stratum of the city)". I'd say give it another chance. I thought the first season was much better than the much more highly-touted first season of Homeland.
― Old Lunch, Wednesday, 22 August 2012 14:16 (9 months ago) Permalink
i caught up on the whole run so far in the space of a week and it's really kind of not that good? not bad, some great scenes and i have the vague feeling that S2 is an uptick in quality from S1, but at times it's just embarrassing. especially whenever Kelsey's daughter acts, or during the customary OTT athletic sex scene in each episode.
― some dude, Tuesday, 11 September 2012 03:43 (9 months ago) Permalink
I just watched the first season, and I thought it had some great moments, but it's kinda uneven... Some Dude is OTM about the pointless sex scenes; I think with Kitty and Zajac they're sort of justified (though they still feel gratuitous in their willingness to show off her body, but not his), as they both appear to be sex addicts, but with the other characters, not so much.
But my biggest problem with Boss is that, on the one hand the show tries to paint a relatively realistic picture of political manouvering, but on the other hand the main character is mayor of huge American city who apparently has no problems having people that get in his way assassinated. In Season 1 we see him do it to at least two (the guy who was supplying him with drugs, and SPOILER), but it's implied this isn't the first time he's done it (so his deteriorating mental health doesn't really explain it), and that just doesn't feel credible. And there's a similar problem with the dialogue: it mostly aims for realism, but every once in a while Kane and Stone get into big monologues that sound overtly theatrical and unnatural.
However, when the show focuses on the actual political games, I think it's still quite gripping and watchable; Kane's revenge in the second-to-last episode was masterfully executed, in my opinion. And Kelsey Grammer is pretty great in the lead role, if you don't count the aforementioned speechifying problem. When an actor is so strongly associated with one particular role, it isn't easy to shed off that old character and make the viewer accept you as someone totally different, but I think Grammer pulls it off.
― Tuomas, Tuesday, 11 September 2012 07:18 (9 months ago) Permalink
Anyone watching this? I've been sort of hooked.
― s.clover, Monday, 8 October 2012 20:50 (8 months ago) Permalink
glad donovan still had lots of work to do so far. last few eps have been very intense. the riot one was really great, but I like explodey city more than political intrigue at this point. grandfather twist was pretty good too -- like they don't even have anti-heros in this show. everyone is just *awful*.
― s.clover, Monday, 8 October 2012 23:50 (8 months ago) Permalink
in that sense, probably the bleakest of the cable dramas. not even a bad guy to root for.
― s.clover, Monday, 8 October 2012 23:51 (8 months ago) Permalink
well, it had a nice run at least.
― s.clover, Thursday, 22 November 2012 00:37 (6 months ago) Permalink
― some dude, Thursday, 22 November 2012 02:15 (6 months ago) Permalink
miss u martin donovan
― s.clover, Thursday, 22 November 2012 02:23 (6 months ago) Permalink