yes, being physically attacked provides better legal justification for a violent response than being followed and verbally challenged
― spextor vs bextor (contenderizer), Wednesday, 30 May 2012 18:18 (11 months ago) Permalink
think it's important to remember that the big issue was that there even be a trial, not a conviction.
― Roger Barfing (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, May 30, 2012 12:59 PM (1 hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
^^^^^^
― twittering spinster (k3vin k.), Wednesday, 30 May 2012 18:21 (11 months ago) Permalink
Ground is either standable, or it's not.
― Brony! Broni! Broné! (Phil D.), Wednesday, 30 May 2012 18:21 (11 months ago) Permalink
Swamp!
― StanM, Wednesday, 30 May 2012 18:22 (11 months ago) Permalink
thought this was funny, in any event
― twittering spinster (k3vin k.), Wednesday, 30 May 2012 18:31 (11 months ago) Permalink
Talkleft blogpost is the worst kind of idiot lawyer-roleplaying commentary and should be ignored completely. Zimmerman will still be acquitted.
― Three Word Username, Wednesday, 30 May 2012 22:58 (11 months ago) Permalink
well maybe, but it's the only thing i've seen that walks through all the available evidence
― goole, Wednesday, 30 May 2012 23:04 (11 months ago) Permalink
It makes my head spin to think that in the US, there are legitimate situations where a person can shoot and KILL another person, and that lead to not even being *arrrested* let alone charged/jailed. It just... I can't process that.
― Pureed Moods (Trayce), Thursday, 31 May 2012 01:29 (11 months ago) Permalink
It's worse than that. You can be shot and injured after making a drunken mistake, then charged with felony trespass, while the person who shot you goes uncharged thanks to a law charmingly called the "Make My Day" law.
― Brony! Broni! Broné! (Phil D.), Thursday, 31 May 2012 09:39 (11 months ago) Permalink
How is that worse
― that is a weird thing to bring up over lean cuisine (DJP), Thursday, 31 May 2012 12:28 (11 months ago) Permalink
I thought it was kind of a given you could shoot some stranger who broke into your bedroom in the middle of the night.
― Hauntingly Unemployed American (President Keyes), Thursday, 31 May 2012 12:33 (11 months ago) Permalink
Fuck, I would-no questions asked
― One Way Ticket on the 1277 Express (Bill Magill), Thursday, 31 May 2012 13:28 (11 months ago) Permalink
ha this reads to me as a wonky negative version about the story of the burglar who broke into someone's house, stole all his/her belongings, slipped on ice as he was leaving, and sued the homeowner for injuries.
― thillrer (loves laboured breathing), Thursday, 31 May 2012 13:37 (11 months ago) Permalink
yo if you get fucked up and start wandering into people's houses you forego the right to complain about what happens. in a perfect world your drunk ass finds a compassionate person who tries to point you on your way. in this world if a stranger wanders into my house I will beat that stranger's ass real bad, gtfo w/"it's even worse, you can't actually trespass into people's houses & not get charged"
― cosi fan whitford (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Thursday, 31 May 2012 15:04 (11 months ago) Permalink
how is this so bad?
― go down on you in a thyatrr (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 31 May 2012 15:05 (11 months ago) Permalink
people should not be allowed to have guns
― max, Thursday, 31 May 2012 15:06 (11 months ago) Permalink
I'm not even debating that point max, I'm wondering why it's worse to get shot and charged with a crime than it is to get killed
― that is a weird thing to bring up over lean cuisine (DJP), Thursday, 31 May 2012 15:09 (11 months ago) Permalink
I'm not touching that point.
xpost
― go down on you in a thyatrr (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 31 May 2012 15:11 (11 months ago) Permalink
"oh my god, my daughter is dead""well you know it could be worse, she could be alive but injured and charged with a crime""too true, too true..."
― that is a weird thing to bring up over lean cuisine (DJP), Thursday, 31 May 2012 15:13 (11 months ago) Permalink
OK, "worse" was a shitty choice of words and outright wrong. I'm just sick of seeing the endpoint of all conflict resolution in this country being "Git yer gun!" and the rhetorical strategy of naming these laws "stand your ground," "make my day" and so forth that let morons feel like heroes.
Should drunk people be able to just wander into your house? No. Should it be a potentially lethal offense? No.
― Brony! Broni! Broné! (Phil D.), Thursday, 31 May 2012 15:13 (11 months ago) Permalink
make my bed law needed in Ohio
http://news.yahoo.com/video/oddnews-22772304/ohio-family-s-home-broken-into-by-a-cleaning-fairy-who-tidied-up-and-left-a-bill-behind-29511535.html
― atlas arghed (brownie), Thursday, 31 May 2012 15:15 (11 months ago) Permalink
x-post the trick here is being able to know whether someone is a drunk wanderer or a home invader--maybe too much to ask of someone so groggy
― Hauntingly Unemployed American (President Keyes), Thursday, 31 May 2012 15:17 (11 months ago) Permalink
im not arguing with anyone in particular! if you own a gun and you shoot someone in your house chances are its a friend or family member. im glad we can all agree on our collective right to violently defend against home invasion with masculine brio we should all just do it with baseball bats or something
― max, Thursday, 31 May 2012 15:17 (11 months ago) Permalink
I always keep my hardcover copy of The Magic Mountain by the sliding glass door for just such an emergency.
― go down on you in a thyatrr (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 31 May 2012 15:18 (11 months ago) Permalink
Also charging with felony trespass seems a bit excessive. Where I live, for trespass to be considered a felony, you have to be committing trespass with the intent of committing another crime. I can't imagine it's much different in other jurisdictions.
xp if you're that groggy you probably maybe shouldn't be using a firearm.
― Brony! Broni! Broné! (Phil D.), Thursday, 31 May 2012 15:20 (11 months ago) Permalink
It's difficult to know – from this end – how I'd respond if I caught someone entering my apartment when my niece happened to be sleeping over.
― go down on you in a thyatrr (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 31 May 2012 15:21 (11 months ago) Permalink
x-post oh come the f on
― Hauntingly Unemployed American (President Keyes), Thursday, 31 May 2012 15:22 (11 months ago) Permalink
So when you say it may be too much to ask, are you suggesting they should err in the favour of "home invader"?
― Andrew Farrell, Thursday, 31 May 2012 15:26 (11 months ago) Permalink
i'm saying they can't be prosecuted if they do
― Hauntingly Unemployed American (President Keyes), Thursday, 31 May 2012 15:27 (11 months ago) Permalink
I don't think the counter argument here is so much "what happened to this girl is a-OK awesome and I am totally sanguine with every facet of this case" as much as it is "don't get so drunk that you wander into someone else's house and get shot"
I mean, I think the correct solution to this is that this girl should recover from getting shot and get sentenced to probation for non-felony trespassing, but I'm not losing sleep over it.
― that is a weird thing to bring up over lean cuisine (DJP), Thursday, 31 May 2012 15:29 (11 months ago) Permalink
Ah okay - I thought you were saying they shouldn't be.
― Andrew Farrell, Thursday, 31 May 2012 15:29 (11 months ago) Permalink
You know how in British murder mysteries when someone dies, they have to have an inquest? For any homicide, at least, they should have some kind of investigation more public and more transparent than a phone conversation between a police captain and the DA's office.
― Love Max Ophüls of us all (Michael White), Thursday, 31 May 2012 16:11 (11 months ago) Permalink
I have zero respect for the kind of demagogue 'touch guy' prosecutor who wants to waste tax payer dollars on prosecuting someone who was legitimately shot for trespassing while blind drunk. Presumably the getting shot part will be retribution enough for her mistake and I presume there wasn't a shred of malice involved so why waste their time and our rescources?
― Love Max Ophüls of us all (Michael White), Thursday, 31 May 2012 16:15 (11 months ago) Permalink
touch guy = tough guy
like I said, if any type of prosecution happens it doesn't make sense to me that anything aside from probation should be put on the table considering it was a mistake and she got shot
― that is a weird thing to bring up over lean cuisine (DJP), Thursday, 31 May 2012 16:20 (11 months ago) Permalink
ILX otm. sad that wandering drunk girl got shot, but the homeowner didn't do anything wrong, imo. felony trespass charges seem absurdly excessive. i'm okay with individual gun ownership (especially for hunters and in rural areas), but feel that it ought to be heavily restricted and monitored.
― spextor vs bextor (contenderizer), Thursday, 31 May 2012 18:18 (11 months ago) Permalink
def gives new meaning to getting hammered and shouting the lyrics to
― fapper don (J0rdan S.), Thursday, 31 May 2012 18:22 (11 months ago) Permalink
makes you wonder how much time elapsed between shouting at her and pulling the trigger
― goole, Thursday, 31 May 2012 18:23 (11 months ago) Permalink
i'm pretty sure if she was so drunk that she wandered into someone's house that it didn't really matter
― fapper don (J0rdan S.), Thursday, 31 May 2012 18:27 (11 months ago) Permalink
ban rural areas
― max, Thursday, 31 May 2012 18:29 (11 months ago) Permalink
also ban screen doors -- have you ever had to consistently open those things?
― fapper don (J0rdan S.), Thursday, 31 May 2012 18:30 (11 months ago) Permalink
consistently?
i love screen doors
― spextor vs bextor (contenderizer), Thursday, 31 May 2012 18:59 (11 months ago) Permalink
iatee would replace them with hydraulic ones purchased at Ikea.
― go down on you in a thyatrr (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 31 May 2012 19:01 (11 months ago) Permalink
bond revoked
― Roger Barfing (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 1 June 2012 18:56 (11 months ago) Permalink
if he is shanked in jail is it justice?
― Grimy Little Pimp (Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved), Friday, 1 June 2012 21:07 (11 months ago) Permalink
no
― lou reed scott walker monks niagra (chinavision!), Friday, 1 June 2012 21:12 (11 months ago) Permalink
maybe?
― s.clover, Friday, 1 June 2012 21:23 (11 months ago) Permalink
I'm on the plus side of maybe
― Grimy Little Pimp (Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved), Friday, 1 June 2012 21:25 (11 months ago) Permalink
cool dude
― twittering spinster (k3vin k.), Friday, 1 June 2012 21:25 (11 months ago) Permalink
at this point dude is a martyr to the john birchers even if he's acquitted, so...
― s.clover, Friday, 1 June 2012 21:53 (11 months ago) Permalink