GIRLS talk (the Lena Dunham thread)

Ahhhh, thank you! I tried looking him up on the ep list before and couldn't find him. He's totally one of those guys that you're like, "Hey, it's that guy!" but can't quite place. For me, at least.

He'll always be "sensitive pony tail guy" from Singles to me.

Hilarious episode. Crusty punk confrontation, accidental crack smoking, non-sexual groin massage, Tako with a K, bike in the cab close, just great stuff.

I wish I could remember Tako's exact line about her name. "It's not a big deal, but it's really important to me" or something to that effect.

"It's not that big a deal, it's just something that's important to me" is the exact line. "It's just that I can usually tell when someone thinks it's with a 'C'" hahaha.

remaining sympathy for weed dad evaporated when he called Jessa a tease

otm, he came off as a horrid drip this week. as did marnie. hate them. jessa, otoh, was great. "crack spirit guide."

― spextor vs bextor (contenderizer), Monday, 28 May 2012 01:39 (17 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

tbh i imagine irl contenderizer as weed dad sort of

everyone on this show is horrible basically and so are we

I still don't understand what is supposedly horrible about the main characters. Someone please explain.

They're self-centered and whiny. Also they are white and come from a middle-class kind of privilege.

tho ilx has a tendency to be weirdly judgmental of fictional characters based on some sort of set of moral absolutes.

I'm all of those things too! Doesn't seem that horrible.

it totally is though. if you're a girl.

apparently. i don't know. not so much on ilx, but even a casual wander through comments sections and Girls discussions finds a lot of unchecked misogyny.

Not shocked.

Marnie is sort of a terrible person, tho v. v. pretty

She's definitely the least sympathetic.

I lold at "Are you one of those TV housewives?" or whatever the tiny Navajo said to her.

I'm pretty impressed that Shoshanna and her cousin are paying off as characters now, they seemed absolutely terrible at the start..

maybe I should've said "horrible"

your voice sounds like a bag of dying babies <--- wtf lols

great episode. Marnie is the worst.

Shoshanna was so funny!!! Love how she suddenly has no skirt & decks the Ray? guy just standing there in flesh-colored spanx

tbh i imagine irl contenderizer as weed dad sort of

― flopson, Monday, May 28, 2012 4:20 PM (2 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

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haven't seen this week's episode yet but i really like marnie

i sympathized with her during the break-up

I sympathized with her until this week.

she's SO recognizable. I guess that's why I can't stand her so much.

I sympathized with her until this week.

yeah, i wasn't ever really in her corner, but she was definitely written as the heel this week. i assume the writers will now work to win her back a little sympathy.

I don't mind her not being sympathetic as long as there's something honest about her character. I like the way this show got loads of flack for it's self-involved asshole characters and then, as the season has progressed, it's been clear that that was the intention the whole time. some haters lookin' pretty stupid imo.

Haters gettin' told in here.

This episode was prob my favorite for all of the aforementioned reasons and esp the "Enter The Void"-style titles

Yes, they were awesome. The way Adam has turned into the most likeable character is pretty amazing

Okay, y'all are just trolling my not-caught-up ass now.

Nope.

i sympathized with her during the break-up

― flopson, Monday, 28 May 2012 22:21 (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

I sympathized with her until this week.

― Fig On A Plate Cart (Alex in SF), Monday, 28 May 2012 22:41 (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

she's SO recognizable. I guess that's why I can't stand her so much.

― Peppermint Patty Hearst (VegemiteGrrl), Monday, 28 May 2012 22:46 (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

I sympathized with her until this week.

yeah, i wasn't ever really in her corner, but she was definitely written as the heel this week. i assume the writers will now work to win her back a little sympathy.

― spextor vs bextor (contenderizer), Tuesday, 29 May 2012 00:22 (11 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

ha i watched the most recent ep last night & i still sympathized with her, a lot in fact. although i've been in that situation before & altho i didn't exactly react the way she did it was definitely really ugly

your voice sounds like a bag of dying babies <--- wtf lols

haha i laughed at this too. and then he was all like, sorry it's a sensitive topic for me!

and the stiff-armed way he slaps her, omg I died

yeah it looked like a weird face karate chop rather than a slap. hehe.

I don't mind her not being sympathetic as long as there's something honest about her character. I like the way this show got loads of flack for it's self-involved asshole characters and then, as the season has progressed, it's been clear that that was the intention the whole time. some haters lookin' pretty stupid imo.

― Fas Ro Duh (Gukbe), Tuesday, May 29, 2012 12:26 AM (12 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

When ppl look at pop entertainment made by someone who is on the young side they often have this weird kind of fallacy where they cannot imagine any self-consciousness on the part of the author, like, "Oh she thinks all these annoying ppl are cool" or "she endorses the way these characters live". News flash, writers sometimes make characters annoying and ambivalent ON PURPOSES

otm/d'uh

yeah I was v dismayed by the show at first but I think I was viewing it as a weird Sex & The City kind of thing where you're supposed to get on board with the characters; rather than more of a Curb Yr Enthusiasm vibe which I feel like this sort of has like lol these ppl are awful bwahaha

i don't feel that any of the characters are awful people at all & many of them are better people than most characters in sex&city. generally find all this handwringing is kind of missing the point, like i don't think this kind of mature old person moral evaluation is an interesting or worthwhile way to think about characters on this show, or even in general. like, flawed characters are still likable, often moreso than their counterparts. also iye are people irl really that much worse than chars in this show? (i obviously agree she's self-aware & is playing with likeability of diff characters across episodes, but i find everyone on the whole sympathetic and ultimately likeable)

Flopson otm.

generally find all this handwringing is kind of missing the point, like i don't think this kind of mature old person moral evaluation is an interesting or worthwhile way to think about characters on this show, or even in general. like, flawed characters are still likable, often moreso than their counterparts.

― flopson, Tuesday, May 29, 2012 10:56 AM (58 seconds ago)

i think it's reasonable to talk abt the way likability is developed in this show, contrasting it with other shows and/or our expectations of "TV in general". i mean, if everybody really and truly hated all the characters, no one would watch the show. likability is important. i don't see most of this as "mature old person moral evaluation". it's just casual conversation regarding feelings abt TV people.

I get invested in the characters of the shows that I watch, I can't help it. I don't know how else to watch.

haha i get very invested too tho maybe in a diff way that doesnt involve thinking they're awful people??

It's clear that the characters are developing in a way that wouldn't be possible with a series that would be under threat of cancellation in its first few episodes.

that first episode had me recoiling so bad it was like I was trapped in a room with them, lol

overactive imagination I guess

i think it's reasonable to talk abt the way likability is developed in this show, contrasting it with other shows and/or our expectations of "TV in general" ... i don't see most of this as "mature old person moral evaluation". it's just casual conversation regarding feelings abt TV people.

i guess i just don't think "he came off as a horrid drip this week. as did marnie. hate them." is a very insighftul reflection on the way likability is developed in the show

not that it's an illegitimate comment (tho i do disagree) just that it's not a cool thing to have dominate discussion of the show

I thought Jessa throwing the bottle of wine and then being a total asshole to those guys who weren't even mean abt it was sooooo NAGL and I super hope she starts growing up/acknowledging that other ppl around her exist

Yeah. She might be a little bit awful.