lol come on man, zhao talking out of his clueless backside is one of the stone tablets of the internet
― r|t|c, Thursday, 24 May 2012 12:16 (1 year ago) Permalink
yeah i've seen that piece too - first comment deals with it neatly
― r|t|c, Thursday, 24 May 2012 12:20 (1 year ago) Permalink
xp lol I knew you were gonna say that! Zhao, bless him...
still there is a controversy there, however tedious it may be, and I think these issues will keep cropping up as this afrobeats thing gets bigger i'm sure.
i agree the dude in the comments nails it for me
― Benny B, Thursday, 24 May 2012 12:25 (1 year ago) Permalink
This is just wonderful. And thanks to Benny B. for posting that soundcloud link also.
― pandemic, Thursday, 24 May 2012 15:19 (1 year ago) Permalink
SMELL MY ARMPITS YOU WILL LIKE IT!
OH CALAMITY!
― Benny B, Saturday, 26 May 2012 15:57 (11 months ago) Permalink
sup w kanye, big sean and MANNIE FRESH being in the "oliver twist" video
― fapper don (J0rdan S.), Saturday, 26 May 2012 22:14 (11 months ago) Permalink
^ they're all on Kanye's G.O.O.D. music label I think
stands for 'Getting Out Our Dreams' apparently *pukes*
still, its a good look...
― Benny B, Saturday, 26 May 2012 23:20 (11 months ago) Permalink
bit rich considering how many marcus 'natural artistic sounds touching you' sets you've heard in your lifetime :)
― r|t|c, Sunday, 27 May 2012 08:38 (11 months ago) Permalink
This thread needed to happen, there's so much good music coming out of this scene, I haven't been as excited for music since getting into UK Funky. This is my personal favorite atm: .
― Astrochimp32, Sunday, 27 May 2012 18:27 (11 months ago) Permalink
love that track! apparently atumpan is also a high school english teacher irl, which makes it even better.
in case anyone hasn't heard it, d'banj's previous single is also excellent:
― chilli, Sunday, 27 May 2012 22:10 (11 months ago) Permalink
Emmanuel Eboue @TheRealEboueGood to know Spurs won't be going champions league. Small boys they don't know the thing . Hahahahaha
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― r|t|c, Monday, 28 May 2012 09:20 (11 months ago) Permalink
Blimey I had no idea that D'Banj was in the top 10, terrific song anyway, although this is my favourite of his:
Can't be bothered with the laboured controversy (yawn unifying US and dancehall DNA throughout loads of this etc etc) but glad someone's pointed out the two-way traffic between funky and the Nigerian artists at least, probably others as well, cf this from a couple of years ago:
Also lol at Donae'o popping up in the video for no apparent reason.
― Homosexual Satan Wasp (Matt DC), Monday, 28 May 2012 18:20 (11 months ago) Permalink
Heard this one on thesinglesjukebox a couple of weeks ago. As I said there musically reminds me of Paul Johnson’s Get Get Down.
― Moka, Monday, 28 May 2012 18:46 (11 months ago) Permalink
RE: UK Funky/Afrobeats
Dotstars been on this thing
always imagined this would fit nicely into a funky set (of yore, maybe not nowadays)
Quite old and based on SA house more than Naija/Ghana i think, but this is an anthem
another old one but fits i think
but Donaeo must be in his absolute element right now, I'm really pleased for him. He's come a long way!
― Benny B, Monday, 28 May 2012 18:48 (11 months ago) Permalink
A couple of years ago I heard 'Party Hard' on a dancefloor in Kampala and 'African Warrior' playing in some some random bar that was otherwise playing Nigerian and Ghanaian pop and the big US hits and it was a real penny-drop moment.
― Homosexual Satan Wasp (Matt DC), Tuesday, 29 May 2012 08:04 (11 months ago) Permalink
This ("Oliver Twist") was at first impossible to check out and then inappropriate to listen to for various personal context reasons for the past 6 days but OH SURPRISE it is in fact my favourite thing ever.
― Tim F, Wednesday, 30 May 2012 10:57 (11 months ago) Permalink
^^^ This is a couple of years old and corny as hell and has absolutely zero thematic development but is totally irresistible.
― Homosexual Satan Wasp (Matt DC), Wednesday, 30 May 2012 11:02 (11 months ago) Permalink
can't believe no one has posted this Azonto smash from Ghana here yet, could be the next "Oliver Twist" perhaps:
― breastcrawl, Wednesday, 30 May 2012 14:49 (11 months ago) Permalink
more Azonto goodness:
― breastcrawl, Wednesday, 30 May 2012 14:50 (11 months ago) Permalink
and how about this one:
― breastcrawl, Wednesday, 30 May 2012 14:52 (11 months ago) Permalink
killer track from Nigeria - a bit old, but new to me, and definitely still fresh:
― breastcrawl, Wednesday, 30 May 2012 14:55 (11 months ago) Permalink
^ follow this person's lead (re azonto)
― r|t|c, Wednesday, 30 May 2012 14:56 (11 months ago) Permalink
yeah them EL tracks are biggles. I believe he produced that daft Eddie Kadi/Funny Face tune I posted upthread too.
― Benny B, Wednesday, 30 May 2012 22:43 (11 months ago) Permalink
Looking forward to giving this a listen soonhttp://djneptizzle.com/download/
― Benny B, Wednesday, 30 May 2012 22:49 (11 months ago) Permalink
more Azonto:
― breastcrawl, Thursday, 31 May 2012 20:46 (11 months ago) Permalink
^^ my undisputed #1 song of the year ^^
― r|t|c, Thursday, 31 May 2012 21:13 (11 months ago) Permalink
neptizzle is a fascinating character who i'm surprised the media havent really caught on to - a vietnamese dude from hackney and former grime dj who seemingly randomly picked up on afrobeats in 2007 and has become an international star
― r|t|c, Thursday, 31 May 2012 21:20 (11 months ago) Permalink
. This is on that Neptizzle mix, very nice.
― Astrochimp32, Friday, 1 June 2012 06:31 (11 months ago) Permalink
you can listen to EL's double album here: http://elrepgh.bandcamp.com/.4 out of 25 tracks in, it's pretty great!
― rob, Saturday, 2 June 2012 20:37 (11 months ago) Permalink
i was just listening to it as well... it's on Spotify, so fast!(but really, putting that "this is crazy chale" thing in every single intro gets a bit annoying)
― breastcrawl, Saturday, 2 June 2012 22:05 (11 months ago) Permalink
That Neptizzle mix is amazing, I can't stop playing it! There's some proper hard tracks, like the Dee Moneeey I put up above, or 'Bossu Kena', and some beautiful, sugar-sweet ones as well, like 'Big Momma', 'Onyame Ehyira', and 'Sweetio'. There's just something about the colorful synths, syncopated beats, autotuned african vocals, and the relentless, catchy fun of this that really does it for me.
― Astrochimp32, Thursday, 7 June 2012 18:43 (11 months ago) Permalink
Love the Neptizzle mix so so so much.
― Tim F, Friday, 15 June 2012 22:22 (11 months ago) Permalink
yes!
― curmudgeon, Saturday, 16 June 2012 05:09 (11 months ago) Permalink
What's this about Bert Jansch? Ok. Leaving thread...
― Pacific Rinko (Capitaine Jay Vee), Saturday, 16 June 2012 07:16 (11 months ago) Permalink
based on the singles this album is shaping up to be really good! wizkid, banky w & scales
― chilli, Saturday, 16 June 2012 10:29 (11 months ago) Permalink
love everything about this
― Benny B, Thursday, 21 June 2012 20:55 (11 months ago) Permalink
yeah that one's a belter
rhythmically fairly unique from what i've found too
(save el's 'kaalu' maybe-ish)
― r|t|c, Thursday, 21 June 2012 21:09 (11 months ago) Permalink
yeah, you mean with those 4x4 kicks coming in and out?
I am also pretty in awe of how stylish these dudes look tbh.
― Benny B, Thursday, 21 June 2012 21:16 (11 months ago) Permalink
i love that neptizzle mix! what are the chances we can get marcus mixing afrobeats? he would be killing it.
― hardhouse banter (tpp), Thursday, 21 June 2012 21:20 (11 months ago) Permalink
"obuu mo" is absolutely my shit.
― hardhouse banter (tpp), Thursday, 21 June 2012 21:24 (11 months ago) Permalink
at the risk of being thick, what defines this "scene"? Like, what distinguishes "afrobeats" from other stuff? I don't want to be the genre police, I'm enjoying it, but it just feels like uk-funky influenced house?
― boxedjoy, Thursday, 21 June 2012 21:31 (11 months ago) Permalink
really?
― 40oz of tears (Jordan), Thursday, 21 June 2012 21:34 (11 months ago) Permalink
the neptizzle mix just keeps on giving:
http://youtu.be/AktSWz4Gowg
― hardhouse banter (tpp), Thursday, 21 June 2012 21:36 (11 months ago) Permalink
i've gotta say i'm looking up these tracks from the neptizzle mix on youtube and i'm kind of astounded. every song i've looked up seems to be single with an HD video. it's like uk funky never died just moved to ghana and got popular! is this stuff actually influnced by the uk funky scene or it just happens to sound similar? so much of this stuff would fit perfectnly into a golden age marcus set.
― hardhouse banter (tpp), Thursday, 21 June 2012 21:48 (11 months ago) Permalink
― hardhouse banter (tpp), Thursday, 21 June 2012 22:20 (24 minutes ago) Bookmark
ya tell me about it, i tried realising this big vision of a mix i had in my head but it turns out the required mak10/maximum type ninja skillz do not come easily to the relative traktor n00b :(
i mean none of the afro dj's i've heard have been actively bad exactly but idk it could just be so much more in the right hands
― r|t|c, Thursday, 21 June 2012 21:48 (11 months ago) Permalink
Despite the obvious similarities, I think its easy to overstate the UK Funky connection tbh.
As for DJing, Neptizzle seems pretty tight, Abrantee not at all. How much does it really matter though? Slapping the tunes on dancehall style seems enough for me.
― Benny B, Thursday, 21 June 2012 21:54 (11 months ago) Permalink
yeah you could make a vague case for cross-pollination i suppose (uk funky djs were touring africa for a while right) but i'm firmly seeing it as a natural indigenous mutation of the usual hiplife via the azonto "dance" injecting the speed and purpose (sometimes a new name is all it takes) to make it dancehally
but i do agree a lot of the ghanaian stuff can be startlingly funky-esque. like i give world music tourism brutally short shrift and i feel as if this stuff has naturally come to me and my londoncentricism (rather than me towards it)
― r|t|c, Thursday, 21 June 2012 22:00 (11 months ago) Permalink
dancehall djing isn't "slapping the tunes on"!! ur bang out of order
― r|t|c, Thursday, 21 June 2012 22:07 (11 months ago) Permalink
cool ur boots man, I just meant short transitions rather than long mixes. Obv selection is key!
I think this thread has been mainly azonto so far so lets have some naija
― Benny B, Thursday, 21 June 2012 22:09 (11 months ago) Permalink
right well yeah but even within short transitions you see the difference i'm making between neptizzle and co riffing through the tracks quickly and a then potential mak 10 grime style intensity bringing the best out of the material
― r|t|c, Thursday, 21 June 2012 22:16 (11 months ago) Permalink
Well alright then!
http://www.mixcloud.com/bennybrassic/ball-j-beats/
Downloadhttp://www.mediafire.com/?uhz9osdd1uw7s5v
1. Sun Rich - D33d3w Dot Com2. Conzy - Megye Hit3. Kwaw Kese ft. Black Prophet - Let me do my thing4. Nickmoah ft. Stay Jay - Head and Shoulders5. Guru ft. Edja- Lapaz Toyota6. Guru ft. Joe B - Karaoke7. Guantoa - Asore party8. Agbeko ft. Guru - U go fly9. T-Blaze ft. Ball J and Joe B - Wa Sei Bebia10. Prodonz - Virgin11. Black Kat ft. Zador - To dey be to dey12. Mr HmHmm (Obrekuo) ft. Joe B - Non Fa13. Nashaay ft. Guru - Sea Side14. Joe B ft. Guru - Dongor15. Castro ft. West Side Legacy - Faa No Saa16. Stay Jay - Twaame Lala17. Stay Jay - Prepaid Gurl18. Guru - Anything goes19. Gasmilla - Innit (UK-Zonto)20. Nadjat - Gbaa Alert21. Obour ft. Mugeez - One People22. Nyame K ft. Ball J - Pay her23. Dr Poh ft. Castro - Ebe Ko
― Benny B, Thursday, 25 October 2012 22:37 (7 months ago) Permalink
Oh, awesome. Appreciate the ability to d/l yr mix, too, as this thread had been crashing my browser something fierce.
― etc, Thursday, 25 October 2012 23:13 (7 months ago) Permalink
LOVING this mix, thank you!
― mike t-diva, Friday, 26 October 2012 11:33 (6 months ago) Permalink
oh shit The Thing and Lapaz Toyota are so hot. djing them both next time i dj something.
― Jamie_ATP, Saturday, 17 November 2012 21:27 (6 months ago) Permalink
Refreshing the thread with some Naija stuff, not exactly recent, but still good:
― breastcrawl, Saturday, 1 December 2012 14:32 (5 months ago) Permalink
Wizkid (who has an album out now) with an older track: "Pakurumo":
― breastcrawl, Saturday, 1 December 2012 14:34 (5 months ago) Permalink
And this one from Ice Prince feat. Brymo "Oleku". Brymo's hook is gorgeous.
― breastcrawl, Saturday, 1 December 2012 14:37 (5 months ago) Permalink
Yes I love that one too. Ice Prince has an album out as well but I wouldn't say it's essential listening outside the singles. Obviously Superstar is all-time though.
― Matt DC, Sunday, 2 December 2012 11:12 (5 months ago) Permalink
boss mix benny, sorry i didnt get round to it earlier
when will i be able to clone another me to have time for all the music i wanna hear :/
― r|t|c, Sunday, 2 December 2012 11:58 (5 months ago) Permalink
i think it's fair to say afrobeats has not bled into the rest of the world even in the relatively minor way i had envisaged, like 'oliver twist' might as well be the macarena now
― r|t|c, Sunday, 2 December 2012 12:03 (5 months ago) Permalink
i mean obv it was always going to be a novelty hit but the tide beneath it hasnt particularly risen and seems to have subsided if anything
― r|t|c, Sunday, 2 December 2012 12:04 (5 months ago) Permalink
I dunno the commercial infrastructure behind D'Banj is pretty hefty now so maybe he's just the outlier. Difficult to tell without a follow-up. Oliver Twist doesn't sound particularly African either which may have helped it crossover.
Like so much of the rest of this stuff, especially the best stuff, isn't in English. Although I'm not sure its a blessing or a curse that no US mainstream producer or UK hipster type has started knocking out fake Ball-J or Don Jazzy beats.
Also I thought I'd commented on Benny's mix but apparently not - one thing that you really notice when you listen to them all back-to-back is how much variety he's able to get out a fairly small number of sounds. Like he makes a handful of sounds do so much work, there are constantly little surprises popping up all over the place, it's all ravey in the best possible way.
― Matt DC, Sunday, 2 December 2012 12:23 (5 months ago) Permalink
tbh my pov there is overly azonto-centric
i would dearly like to think there's still a space for melodic naija pop to carve out on a mtv 93 euroreggae tip
― r|t|c, Sunday, 2 December 2012 12:29 (5 months ago) Permalink
if we could just get ace of base to reform and cover 'oleku' we're laughing
― r|t|c, Sunday, 2 December 2012 12:31 (5 months ago) Permalink
― Matt DC, Sunday, 2 December 2012 12:39 (5 months ago) Permalink
Like I challenge you to find anything dorkier than that.
Oh wait:
― Matt DC, Sunday, 2 December 2012 12:40 (5 months ago) Permalink
why is this gif not moving xp
― r|t|c, Sunday, 2 December 2012 12:40 (5 months ago) Permalink
Glad you guys enjoyed the mix. Ball J is crazy prolific, there was about another 10 tunes from this year I wanted to fit on there. Was quite surprised (and somewhat flummoxed tbh) to learn from an interview that he sees himself primarily as a hip hop artist. His whole attitude seemed to suggest he thought this Azonto thing is just a sideline for him. Thing is, his hip hop stuff is awful Jay-Z impersonations over standard-as-fuck beats!
This new one goes hard though
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=39ypFYi5Yak#!
― Benny B, Sunday, 2 December 2012 15:07 (5 months ago) Permalink
This one too from a London based singer.
Gizo - Makofa Aba (prod. by Ball J)
The first few seconds of this had me thinking of early Wiley riddims. I always kind of wanted Wiley to have jumped on producing funky, it might have sounded a bit like this. Also, wouldn't complain about more Grime like this:
― Benny B, Sunday, 2 December 2012 15:48 (5 months ago) Permalink
Here's my top 50 azonto songs for the year (or really since the abrantee mixtape). Might be a few from last year and the order is fairly arbitrary after the top 10 or so but whatevs. Also no Naija cos i don't really have enough knowledge.
1.Guru - Lapaz Toyota2. Keche - Aluguntugui3. EL - U Go Kill Me4. Zigi ft. Amanda5. Keche - Sokode6. Kwaw Kese ft. Black Prophet - Let me do my thing7. Guru - Karaoke8. D-Black ft. Joey B - VERA9. Yaw Siki - Wupe Dodo10. EL - Obuu Mo11. Fada Gran pa - To da centre12. Obour - One people13. Joey B - Azonto bomb14. Sarkodie ft. EL - Dangerous15. D-Black - Ha mi shoulder16. Flexy Da Don - Tsofi sausage17. EL - Kaalu 18. Mr HmHmm ft. Joe B - Non-fa19. T-Blaze - Wa Sei Bebia20. Greenfield ft. EL - Carry dey go21. Fuse ODG - Antenna22. Stay Jay - Twaame Lala23. Stay Jay ft. Tiffany - Shashee Wowo 24. Eduwodzi ft. Stay Jay - Yenko Nkoa25. Guantoa - Asore Party26. Gasmilla - Innit27. Funny Face & Eddie Kadie - They doubted28. Humble Dis - Corner corner29. Guru - Akonta Fried Rice30. Stay Jay - Prepaid girl31. Buk Bak - Kolum32. Nadjat - Gbaa Alert33. Bluebox ft. Bottlez - Spedede34. Castro ft. Sarkodie - Swagger35. Sun Rich - D33d3w Dot Com36. Tiffany - Akyee wo37. EL - On a long tin38. Joe B ft. Guru - Dongor39. Eyi Rap ft. Va - Serkle40. Nyame K - Pay her41. Edem - Over Again42. Yaw Siki - Jeggings party 43. Black Kat ft. Zador - To Dey be to dey44. Conzy - Megye hit45. Gizo - Makofa Aba46. Da Little ft. Limit - This London Girl 47. 4x4 & MarcusBeatz - Casanova48. Fifi Selah ft. Stoneboy - Survival49. 4x4 - Moko Ni50. Fuse ODG ft.Tiffany - Azonto
― Benny B, Thursday, 6 December 2012 11:39 (5 months ago) Permalink
Great list, Benny. That's some of the very best music of the past year imo. I can't wait to listen to the ones I haven't heard yet.
(btw, #3 U Go Kill Me is by Sarkodie (featuring EL).
― breastcrawl, Thursday, 6 December 2012 12:25 (5 months ago) Permalink
...wish I had enough knowledge of Naija pop to make a coherent list...
― breastcrawl, Thursday, 6 December 2012 12:27 (5 months ago) Permalink
xp oh yeah, should also read 'Zigi ft. Sonniballi - Amanda' at number 4
― Benny B, Thursday, 6 December 2012 12:44 (5 months ago) Permalink
My top three: Gbaa Alert (Nadjat), Chop My Money (P-Square), Oma Ga (Tiwa Savage). Lots of co-signs with Benny's list, e.g. Obuu Mo, Twaame Lala, the two big Guru tracks...
― mike t-diva, Thursday, 6 December 2012 15:12 (5 months ago) Permalink
The latest from Keche is another good one: Body Lotion.
― breastcrawl, Friday, 7 December 2012 00:05 (5 months ago) Permalink
Dr. Slim - S3k3 (Seke) (feat. Double)
― breastcrawl, Friday, 7 December 2012 00:18 (5 months ago) Permalink
"Let Me Do My Thing" is amazing, was the highlight of yr Ball J mix, Benny. Gonna take a while to get through yr top 50, thanks for all yr work in this thread!
― etc, Friday, 7 December 2012 05:16 (5 months ago) Permalink
yeah the vocal performances on that song are incredible. There's an radio interview with Ball-J floating around on the net somewhere and he singles out that song, saying that it was the craziest studio session he'd ever done.
― Benny B, Friday, 7 December 2012 09:52 (5 months ago) Permalink
Quite digging this London-based crew from Nigeriahttps://soundcloud.com/studiomagicmusic
Apparently this dubstep influenced track is making waves in Nigeria
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=DGdB_ccyipo#!
more info herehttp://www.thefader.com/2012/09/05/lungu-lungu-too-much-senrenre/
― Benny B, Saturday, 8 December 2012 12:34 (5 months ago) Permalink
Sony Music Entertainment is proud to announce the signing of Nigerian megastar D’Banj to its RCA Africa label. The breakthrough deal also includes a multi-album, worldwide exclusive contract with emerging Nigerian singer-songwriter star Kayswitch and a strategic partnership with D’Banj’s Nigerian record label DB Records, who’s catalog includes artists and producers such as J.Sol, Jay Sleek and DeeVee.
http://www.citifmonline.com/index.php?id=1.1189988
― curmudgeon, Saturday, 15 December 2012 20:17 (5 months ago) Permalink
Maybe I missed this ilxer posting his list here that includes the below cuts (or maybe he didn't)
http://thecorner.co.nz/2012/12/14/the-corners-2012-year-in-review-50-best-international-singles/
D’Banj – Oliver Twist Tiwa Savage – Kele Kele Sarkodie ft EL – U Go Kill Me Kwaw Kese ft Black Prophet – Let Me Do My Thing Nyame K – Pay Her Guru – Lapaz Toyota
― curmudgeon, Monday, 17 December 2012 20:01 (5 months ago) Permalink
I know it's old now but I flat out adore Guru's "Anything Goes".
― Tim F, Tuesday, 25 December 2012 07:16 (5 months ago) Permalink
That Ball J mix is great Benny, you always dig your mixes! I admire artists that have a fully formed unique sound, and can create a whole range of different tracks from a few simple elements- in Ball J's case those crazy technicolor, tropical, carnival synth stabs. With Azonto and Naija, Jersey/Philly Club, Jackin, and Funkystepz, 2012 been such a great year for music.
― Astrochimp32, Wednesday, 26 December 2012 01:36 (4 months ago) Permalink
"The debut Gospel Porn album by the most politically incorrect Christian Rap group of the times"
http://foknbois.bandcamp.com/releases
― Benny B, Tuesday, 15 January 2013 22:00 (4 months ago) Permalink
I haven't listened to it yet, but there's a new (i think) Abrantee mix: http://www.okayafrica.com/2013/01/10/afrobeats-dj-abrantee-mixtape/
― rob, Wednesday, 16 January 2013 02:29 (4 months ago) Permalink
^ looks a bit crap, think I'll just be googling the few tunes I don't know from the tracklist. Conor Maynard Afrobeats remix? No thanks.
Couple of good Kwaw Kese cuts:https://soundcloud.com/akwaabamusic/wossop-remix-feat-kwaw-kese
Shoelace (feat Buda) - this one produced by Krynkman
― Benny B, Wednesday, 16 January 2013 10:22 (4 months ago) Permalink
"After the long drama and talk about his infamous boxer shorts at the Big Brother House, Keitta has finally released a new song that address the entire situation. The song is titled 'One Boxer' and was produced by Krynkman, aka Amadaa aka Nshorna Music. It's Azontomania...One Boxer!"
http://youtu.be/ZODE68sSmyA
― Benny B, Wednesday, 16 January 2013 23:26 (4 months ago) Permalink
How about we start a new Rolling Afrobeats thread for 2013? There's bound to be loads of exciting new Azonto, Naija, etc etc stuff this year (obviously!) Maybe I'm wrong, but I feel the current thread title is becoming increasingly irrelevant and confusing, and it would be nice to be able attract more people. Good idea or not? Mainly looking at you, Benny B, since you've been by far the greatest provider for the thread :-)
― breastcrawl, Friday, 18 January 2013 21:37 (4 months ago) Permalink
yeah this one has become a little unwieldy. I'll start a new one.
― Benny B, Friday, 18 January 2013 21:45 (4 months ago) Permalink
cool :)))
― breastcrawl, Friday, 18 January 2013 21:50 (4 months ago) Permalink
new thread for 2013: Afrobeats 2013
― breastcrawl, Friday, 18 January 2013 22:21 (4 months ago) Permalink