2008 USP(G)ET pt. II: counting the days to 2012 primary thread 1

ARG New Hampshire (9/13-15): McCain 48-45
among independents: tied at 45
among women: Obama 54-38

ARG Florida (9/14-17): tied at 46
among independents: McCain 49-41
among women: Obama 50-41
among 18-to-49s: Obama 49-43

SUSA Florida (9/16-17): McCain 51-45
among those whose mind is made up (86%): McCain 52-47
among those who could change their mind (13%): McCain 47-34-4-15
among independents: McCain 49-47
among women: McCain 48-46
among those for whom health care is most important: McCain 51-44
among 18-34s: Obama 49-44
among hispanics: McCain 55-36
among blacks: Obama 77-21
crossover voting delta: McCain 23-17
Central Florida: tied at 48

http://sas-origin.onstreammedia.com/origin/gallupinc/GallupSpaces/Production/Cms/POLL/lykz14kvduwtvn3uma5omq.gif

Tim Garton Ash attempting to diagnose political conditions from across the pond, thinks that economic fear might just help McCain:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2008/sep/18/wallstreet.barackobama

My bad: apparently he's at Stanford now - not across the pond.

they way i read that is if you're worried about the economy, you'll vote Democrat. if you are worried about the economy and you are racist, you will vote Republican

the last few days have definitely been bad news for McCain

I read it more as: If you're worried about the economy and you're well-informed on the issues and you vote rationally, you'll vote for Obama. If you prefer the comfort of the familiar to the promise of the new, you'll vote McCain.

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if you think people from Spain all talk like faggy Mexicans, you will likely vote for McCain

I agree with Gabbnebb though - this plays into Obama's area of advantage. McCain has been going through contortions to reinvent himself as a fire-breathing, pro-regulation populist, but I think that he's going to start stretching the credulity of those who've been paying attention. (I'm still wondering where the Obama ads are about McCain's constant flip-flops.)

this whiney ass motherfucker is by far my most favorite on the Corner sorry it's so long

Something About Sarah [Jay Nordlinger]

Earlier this morning, I wrote that the attacks on Governor Palin — particularly the breaking into her e-mail — were making me sick. (Here.) One reader wrote, “I, too, have been feeling a physical revulsion over the Left’s determination to destroy Sarah Palin, by any means necessary.” That reader spoke for many.

One of them said, “What would be the general media reaction if Obama’s e-mail were hacked and disseminated? It would be a lot stronger.” That, too, is a common sentiment.

In my earlier post, I wondered whether Palin would be permanently stigmatized and caricatured — à la Bork, Quayle, and Thomas. Or would she escape the noose, like Reagan? Many readers thought she would — given her communication skills, and given the multiplicity of media now: We have websites, talk radio, etc.

Yes, but there were plenty of outlets in the 1980s and ’90s. And no one’s communication skills are better than Bork’s or Thomas’s. Quayle isn’t bad, either — you don’t rise that high in politics without knowing how to communicate.

Other readers said that Palin was finished, done: “I see that the polls have dramatically switched in Obama’s favor within just one week. I guess that the Borking — the destruction — of this governor is complete.” Another reader said, “I thought Sarah Palin would be a superstar. Now, she’ll be nothing more than a national joke. The Republicans haven’t fought back. The MSM has won.”

Then there is continuing amazement over the sheer hatred that Palin has aroused: “I am almost 60 and come from Massachusetts. In all my years, I have never seen anything like this, and don’t want to see it ever again. I have a friend who is both feminist and left-leaning. I asked her why they hate Palin so much. She said, ‘Because she’s had it all: family, career. And she did it without a man like Bill Clinton helping her. She did it on her own.’”

I have said it before: Hillary Clinton’s husband was president of the United States. Sarah Palin’s works the night shift in an oil field. Who is the feminist hero? Bien sûr.

I myself have a tale to relate. An episode left me kind of shaken, honestly. Last week, I was talking to a friend of mine — a very warm and humane woman. We’ve been friends for years. I had been away, and we hadn’t talked politics — but then, we never do. We never had. She’s a liberal, of course — virtually everyone here in NYC is. And I never, ever bring up politics (with pretty much anyone — not worth the trouble) (and, of course, I do it professionally).

But she said to me, out of the blue, “What do you think of Sarah Palin?” And while I was drawing breath to answer, she said, “I hate her.”

That kind of took my breath away — because this friend of mine is no hater. But she said it with firm, horrible conviction. She said it with true emotion in her eyes. Frankly, I was too taken aback to reply, other than to say, “Well, my feeling is the exact opposite.”

I can see how you might disagree with Governor Palin — she’s a conservative, after all. I can see how you might find her unprepared even for the vice-presidency. But hate? Hate a woman who rose from a modest background to be governor of her state? Who is obviously a warm, civic-minded, talented mother of five?

Hate?

It must be abortion, religion, and culture. If she were pro-choice, went to a mainline church (only on Christmas and Easter), and didn’t hunt, she’d be okay. At least less attacked. But then, she wouldn’t be herself, would she?

I consider myself a very patriotic person, and I have been teased or damned all my life for my pro-American views — particularly in academic settings. But, I’m sorry, this is, in many ways, a sick country.

Yeah the Obama campaign should really hammer McCain on that WSJ interview about him being fundamentally a "deregulator"

Send him a get-well-soon card.

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an ad about McCain's "flip flops" would have to be longer than two minutes

I don't believe any one said this for a second--this is the conservative equivalent of Metropolitan Diary

Then there is continuing amazement over the sheer hatred that Palin has aroused: “I am almost 60 and come from Massachusetts. In all my years, I have never seen anything like this, and don’t want to see it ever again. I have a friend who is both feminist and left-leaning. I asked her why they hate Palin so much. She said, ‘Because she’s had it all: family, career. And she did it without a man like Bill Clinton helping her. She did it on her own.’”

I have a friend who is both feminist and left-leaning. I asked her why they hate Palin so much. She said, ‘Because she’s had it all: family, career. And she did it without a man like Bill Clinton helping her. She did it on her own.’”

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hahaha xp

in the sense that it's made up? xp

yes, in the sense that it's made up

its called a strawman

strawwoman?

had i been born an intellectual cripple who could only respond to sarcasm, condescension, and petty chauvanism, i am pretty sure i, too, would love sarah palin

note to conservative neofeminists: hillary clinton, whatever else she may be, is not a fucking crybaby

Define "crybaby."

crocodile crybaby?

ha yes i'm assuming that was basically ginned up, left wing sexist that i am

I dunno about that, she definitely wanted to "take her ball and go home" so to speak - just look at all the crap her former advisers and fundraisers have stirred up

crocodile cry-straw-lady

That Nordlinger guy has made it just about impossible for me to read the Corner anymore. Dude's way off his meds.

"Why do you hate Palin so much?

"She's an underqualified, manipulative, vindictive power-monger with severe issues about telling the truth."

"But she's had it all; family, career...! And she did it without a man like Bill Clinton helping her! She did it on her own."

"...Oh, you're right, that's why I hate her. It has nothing to do with her weaseling her way into political positions she isn't qualified to hold and then abusing them silly with nepotistic appointments and attempting to crush the careers of those who disagree with her; I don't like her because she's a successful, independent woman!"

"I THOUGHT SO!"

"Okay I'm hanging up on you now."

HRC whined a lot, which may be crybabyism.

Anyway, next line of attack?

Just read that 2000 City Journal piece, and it's quite intriguing.

I think most would agree that the housing collapse is driving this financial meltdown, and it's quite possible that the low-income, "affordable housing" CRA shakedown fueled that collapse. Low-income housing has been a signature issue of Senator Obama's career, and his ties to the shady Chicago machine absolutely require the same kind of scrutiny as, say, Ms. Palin's pregnant daughter.

Now let's summarize with campaign spin: left-wing activists (er, "community organizers") extort trillions from our financial system to develop low-income housing (and fund political graft along the way), ultimately destabilizing our entire economy when the real estate bubble bursts. Obama has been involved in this scheme from the ground up, from securing funds in his community organizer days to doling them out as a Chicago legislator, along the way making connections with ACORN (whom he now uses as an arm of his campaign's "get-out-the-vote" efforts, despite the groups troubling record of voter fraud), and Rezko (who made millions off of developing low-income housing, and just coincidentally was one of Obama's biggest backers). This is not change I believe in.

McCain (and Bush, for that matter) were on the right side of this housing crises, while Obama was squarely in the mix helping to create it. Obviously the financial failure is much too big to lay at Obama's feet, but the contrast between the candidates on this issue couldn't be any more clear. McCain *has* to make this his primary message on the economy, and take away Obama's last remaining perceived strength. If Obama is effectively linked to this market meltdown, game over.

-NR subscriber in Boston

blame the poor, always a winner

lol let's give the Chicago machine a pap smear

Diageo/Hotlline tracking: Obama 46-42

WOW

wow wow wow wow

Now let's summarize with campaign spin: left-wing activists (er, "community organizers") extort trillions from our financial system to develop low-income housing (and fund political graft along the way), ultimately destabilizing our entire economy when the real estate bubble bursts. Obama has been involved in this scheme from the ground up, from securing funds in his community organizer days to doling them out as a Chicago legislator, along the way making connections with ACORN (whom he now uses as an arm of his campaign's "get-out-the-vote" efforts, despite the groups troubling record of voter fraud), and Rezko (who made millions off of developing low-income housing, and just coincidentally was one of Obama's biggest backers).

VS

Milhouse: [steps up to blackboard] Ahem. OK, here's what we've got: the Rand Corporation, in conjunction with the saucer people --

Bart: Thank you.

Milhouse: -- under the supervision of the reverse vampires are forcing our parents to go to bed early in a fiendish plot to eliminate the meal of dinner.

http://politicalwire.com/archives/2008/09/18/national_journal_poll_key_red_states_may_flip.html

Obama winning NM, losing VA, tied in CO, FL, OH

those poor people, always fucking up the economy

many x-posts

That Nordlinger post was worth it just for him to have to confront a little direct loathing away from his computer.

"absolutely require the same kind of scrutiny as, say, Ms. Palin's pregnant daughter"

meaning one news cycle and then we drop it? or maybe a long weekend of coverage followed by total silence

Now let's summarize with campaign spin: left-wing activists (er, "community organizers") extort trillions from our financial system

ha ok hold it right there

lol @ community organizers "extort[ing] trillions"

if the low incoming housing I've seen cost trillions, SOMEBODY GOT PAID

"give us trillions or we'll have an army of homeless people at your house within the hour!"

trillions, dammit

James Wolcott: "Jay Nordlinger and K'Lo seem locked in a friendly competition as to who can claim the crown of chief doofus."

http://rawstory.com/news/2008/Frank_Luntz_Polls_will_shift_to_0917.html

http://blogs.westword.com/demver/Frank_Luntz_lo.jpg

lolz Contract With America, yeah how'd that work out

it was only a matter of time

http://thepage.time.com/2008/09/18/schmidt-obama-cheerleading-wall-street-chaos/

HANNITY: One last question that I didn't ask you: Did you watch Tina Fey on "Saturday Night Live"?

PALIN: I watched with the volume all the way down and I thought it was hilarious, she was spot on.

HANNITY: Do you think you could play her one day?

PALIN: Oh absolutely. It was hilarious. Again, I didn't hear a word she said, but the visual was spot on.

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it's her "didn't inhale" moment