Black Sabbath: Classic or Dud?

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No Supernaut, no credibility.

I must be old, I recognise nobody in ITV2 idents (aldo), Monday, 21 May 2012 02:14 (1 year ago) Permalink

Bill's statements totally pass the smell test imho

Sisig Steve (stevie), Monday, 21 May 2012 07:09 (1 year ago) Permalink

You realise that eventually Universal will run out of semi-dormant or struggling record labels to buy, and will start buying up semi-dormant or struggling 'Legacy' band incorporations?

And that by the year 2201, Morrissey will be the sole member of Black Sabbath?

Mark G, Monday, 21 May 2012 08:44 (1 year ago) Permalink

That setlist rules. No Supernaut though, which is weird, especially if they are playing Under the Sun and Tomorrow's Dream. Play those 3 and Cornucopia, and you can call it the Vol. 4 Tour.

this is true: "3) In my statement of May 15, I clearly stated I would play Birmingham for free. That was not a problem – charity or otherwise."

Still with Bill here.

One Way Ticket on the 1277 Express (Bill Magill), Monday, 21 May 2012 13:56 (1 year ago) Permalink

who sat in for ward at birmingham?

akm, Monday, 21 May 2012 14:21 (1 year ago) Permalink

Ozzy's drummer.

EZ Snappin, Monday, 21 May 2012 14:34 (1 year ago) Permalink

The Stone Roses would play Supernaut. Top buzz.

Ima Skim Read That Bitch (Doran), Monday, 21 May 2012 23:48 (1 year ago) Permalink

well, you can check out what the ward-less sabbath sounded like here: http://bigozine2.com/roio/?p=1103

tylerw, Wednesday, 23 May 2012 16:22 (1 year ago) Permalink

I'm sure they sounded just fine. I've interviewed Tommy Clufetos (the sub drummer) and he says he strives to play old songs in a familiar manner without changing the arrangements or getting all crazy. Prior to working with Ozzy, he was Rob Zombie's drummer, and before that he played with Alice Cooper and Ted Nugent.

誤訳侮辱, Wednesday, 23 May 2012 16:54 (1 year ago) Permalink

But there was never any question of that. They could find a million people to play these songs; they're generally not that challenging. Ironically, only Ozzy can't be replaced. But a reunion is a reunion, and if they're not all there, it is not a reunion.

Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 23 May 2012 16:58 (1 year ago) Permalink

It's a farce. Fuck Tommy Clufetos

One Way Ticket on the 1277 Express (Bill Magill), Wednesday, 23 May 2012 18:07 (1 year ago) Permalink

anybody who doesn't have a fuck tommy clufetos tatttoo by this time next week is posing

cosi fan whitford (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Wednesday, 23 May 2012 18:43 (1 year ago) Permalink

post your pics

it looks like something rupert the bear would wear (Algerian Goalkeeper), Wednesday, 23 May 2012 18:46 (1 year ago) Permalink

I shouldn't skim. I thought aero wrote "anyone who doesn't fuck tommy clufetos by this time next week is posing". If you miss the tattoo part it seems overly ambitious.

EZ Snappin, Wednesday, 23 May 2012 18:48 (1 year ago) Permalink

only the most kvlt will fuck tommy clufetos

cosi fan whitford (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Wednesday, 23 May 2012 19:18 (1 year ago) Permalink

impale him on your blackened painis.

but he go's to a resturang and then die in a toilet (Jon Lewis), Wednesday, 23 May 2012 19:22 (1 year ago) Permalink

I thought that said blackened paninis for a minute and didn't see how that was tr00 or KVLT.

I must be old, I recognise nobody in ITV2 idents (aldo), Wednesday, 23 May 2012 19:45 (1 year ago) Permalink

fucking a panini machine would be metal as hell though.

EZ Snappin, Wednesday, 23 May 2012 19:47 (1 year ago) Permalink

Only if it was the devil's panini machine.

Hellhamster 2: Hamster Smashed Face (J3ff T.), Wednesday, 23 May 2012 19:50 (1 year ago) Permalink

sick sick sex.

EZ Snappin, Wednesday, 23 May 2012 19:53 (1 year ago) Permalink

7 months pass...

NEW ALBUM NEWS

The Jupiter 8 (Turrican), Sunday, 13 January 2013 17:29 (1 year ago) Permalink

Nude album nudes.

Ned Raggett, Sunday, 13 January 2013 17:34 (1 year ago) Permalink

No thank you.

afriendlypioneer, Sunday, 13 January 2013 17:39 (1 year ago) Permalink

I'm sure I'll give it at least one listen, but it's very fair to say I'm not expecting much.

The Jupiter 8 (Turrican), Sunday, 13 January 2013 17:44 (1 year ago) Permalink

I have to say the Rubin treatment is the only possibility of this being good but my expectations are low

too many encores (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Sunday, 13 January 2013 18:00 (1 year ago) Permalink

Had a brief discussion w/Adrien yesterday re the album title - my theory is that 13 counts the 8 albums with Ozzy, the 3 with Dio (including Dehumanizer) and Born Again. Sorry, Glenn Hughes and Tony Martin - you don't count.

誤訳侮辱, Sunday, 13 January 2013 19:26 (1 year ago) Permalink

What's rubin's track record for these late-in-the game comeback jobs? I'm assuming the first Cash one would be at the top, but a poll might be interesting.

WARS OF ARMAGEDDON (Karaoke Version) (Sparkle Motion), Sunday, 13 January 2013 20:23 (1 year ago) Permalink

His work on Ballbreaker is tremendous. Easily the best-produced post-Lange AC/DC record.

Tarfumes The Escape Goat, Sunday, 13 January 2013 20:35 (1 year ago) Permalink

I like Ballbreaker. I also like Death Magnetic a whole lot, though.

誤訳侮辱, Sunday, 13 January 2013 20:38 (1 year ago) Permalink

"He's just a vibe merchant, really. He vibes you up. He's not one who gets involved hands-on," Iommi said. "He leaves it to you to do it and he sort of says, 'Yeah, I like it,' you know, or, 'I don't like it.'"

In Shut Up and Sing it's evident that Rubin didn't even set foot in the studio for the Dixie Chicks' Taking The Long Way. They show up at his house and play him what they've done so far. He says "Nice chorus" or "That sounds good." The only reasonable conclusion one could draw is that he's running a con job. Coincidentally or not, the production on that record is abysmal.

Tarfumes The Escape Goat, Sunday, 13 January 2013 20:38 (1 year ago) Permalink

Rubin produced the third Slipknot album, and their singer, Corey Taylor, said this about that in 2011:

"There are some people who would love for me to toe the party line, which is basically, 'Working with Rick Rubin was a very enriching experience.' Let me give you the fucking truth of it: Rick Rubin showed up for 45 minutes a week. Rick Rubin would then, during that 45 minutes, lay on a couch and have a mic brought in next to his face so he wouldn't have to move...The Rick Rubin of today is a thin, thin, thin shadow of the Rick Rubin that he was. He is overrated, he is overpaid, and I will never work with him again as long as I fucking live."

誤訳侮辱, Sunday, 13 January 2013 20:41 (1 year ago) Permalink

Jakob Dylan also laid on the Rubin hate in a recent WTF interview.

sean gramophone, Sunday, 13 January 2013 20:49 (1 year ago) Permalink

you lazy for this one rick

tylerw, Sunday, 13 January 2013 20:51 (1 year ago) Permalink

Nice to finally hear someone call Rubin out. Really seems like he's been coasting on his rep for a while. But it benefits both parties: bands get the "cred" (such as it is) and resulting uptick in sales (however small) of having Rubin's name on their record (sound apparently being a secondary concern), and Rubin gets the dough.

xp

Tarfumes The Escape Goat, Sunday, 13 January 2013 20:55 (1 year ago) Permalink

This has been the deal w/Rubin forever and forever - can he actually engineer at all?

too many encores (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Sunday, 13 January 2013 22:03 (1 year ago) Permalink

I assume (perhaps naively) that he must have some rudimentary engineering knowledge, at the very least.

I wouldn't think he was overrated if he was a serious non-engineering motivator a la Guy Stevens or Kit Lambert. But "hm, good chorus" does not production make.

Tarfumes The Escape Goat, Sunday, 13 January 2013 22:40 (1 year ago) Permalink

iirc in that Jay-Z doc RR was in there making beats like he did in the 80s. but as far as having any hands-on involvement when making a record means putting mics in front of instruments and putting hands on the mixing board, yeah.

some dude, Sunday, 13 January 2013 22:48 (1 year ago) Permalink

lots of bands have started doing an album with Rubin and then fired him or parted ways to finish it w/o him: U2, Weezer Crosby Stills & Nash, Velvet Revolver, Hot Hot Heat

some dude, Sunday, 13 January 2013 23:02 (1 year ago) Permalink

On those first four Danzig albums, he's producer on the first few, "executive producer" on the fourth one. Either way, he tends to use great studios and obviously hires some excellent engineers. But yeah, Reign in Blood was a long time ago.

I hope he can help Sabbath not sound overproduced. The Heaven & Hell record was perfect. I don't believe this will be nearly as good as that was.

Nate Carson, Sunday, 13 January 2013 23:42 (1 year ago) Permalink

gonna need a lot of smoothing for Ozzy's vocals, and pitch correction.....Dio was still singing pretty incredibly on that H&H studio album, but yeah the production on that was perfect for what they were doing.

NINO CARTER, Monday, 14 January 2013 01:09 (1 year ago) Permalink

Rubin produced the third Slipknot album, and their singer, Corey Taylor, said this about that in 2011:

"There are some people who would love for me to toe the party line, which is basically, 'Working with Rick Rubin was a very enriching experience.' Let me give you the fucking truth of it: Rick Rubin showed up for 45 minutes a week. Rick Rubin would then, during that 45 minutes, lay on a couch and have a mic brought in next to his face so he wouldn't have to move...The Rick Rubin of today is a thin, thin, thin shadow of the Rick Rubin that he was. He is overrated, he is overpaid, and I will never work with him again as long as I fucking live."

― 誤訳侮辱, Sunday, January 13, 2013 3:41 PM (4 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

this is kinda awesome tbh

If Assholes Could Fly This Place Would Be An Airport, Monday, 14 January 2013 01:22 (1 year ago) Permalink

Not if you're in the band, I would imagine.

誤訳侮辱, Monday, 14 January 2013 01:23 (1 year ago) Permalink

yeah stories like that are great if you hate the musicians who had to watch their session go to shit I guess

too many encores (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Monday, 14 January 2013 01:26 (1 year ago) Permalink

Rick Rubin has been coasting on his Rubin-aura for a long-assed time. Half the people I hear that talk about how incredible he is usually have no recent examples when asked for reasons why.

(I did not like Death Magnetic, fwiw...)

NINO CARTER, Monday, 14 January 2013 01:47 (1 year ago) Permalink

New album news with Rubin producing does not surprise me. Someone liking Death Crapnetic does, though.

calstars, Monday, 14 January 2013 02:18 (1 year ago) Permalink

Not really a true successor to Never Say Die without Ward. Bill's been treated like shit

One Way Ticket on the 1277 Express (Bill Magill), Monday, 14 January 2013 03:06 (1 year ago) Permalink

Instead of a fraud like rubin, they should just see if the guy who set the dials on Master of Reality is still alive and coherent. That's all they need.

One Way Ticket on the 1277 Express (Bill Magill), Monday, 14 January 2013 03:08 (1 year ago) Permalink

If you really need a "vibe merchant" you should be playing golf and not wasting your time. I got a good name for a vibe merchant: Bill fucking Ward

One Way Ticket on the 1277 Express (Bill Magill), Monday, 14 January 2013 03:10 (1 year ago) Permalink

I got a good name for a vibe merchant: Bill fucking Ward

*massive stadium-sized applause*

sleeve, Monday, 14 January 2013 03:15 (1 year ago) Permalink

XD

some dude, Monday, 14 January 2013 03:16 (1 year ago) Permalink


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