I have very strong memories I walking across Northampton in the middle of the night, 1999, minidisc player, and just blasting my fucking brains out with LTAB. Nothing else on the album coul do ha for me, had the physicality of the churning last couple of minutes.
― Sick Mouthy (Scik Mouthy), Saturday, 19 May 2012 13:30 (1 year ago) Permalink
Would be interested to see if there's a correlation between ppl who rate LTAB and ppl who can stand early Oasis.
― They have fangs, They have teeth! (White Chocolate Cheesecake), Saturday, 19 May 2012 13:40 (1 year ago) Permalink
Poll?
* I love 'Leave Them All Behind' and I like early Oasis* I love 'Leave Them All Behind and I don't like early Oasis* I don't like 'Leave Them All Behind' and I like early Oasis* I don't like 'Leave Them All Behind' and I don't like early Oasis
― emil.y, Saturday, 19 May 2012 13:43 (1 year ago) Permalink
(I am option number 2)
I am driving down to Laguna today and am going to play this all the way down the 5. I may as well be Ned Raggett!!!!
A vision. Except for the actually driving the car part.
― Ned Raggett, Saturday, 19 May 2012 13:46 (1 year ago) Permalink
I don't mind early Oasis, particularly Columbia and Slide Away.
― Sick Mouthy (Scik Mouthy), Saturday, 19 May 2012 13:55 (1 year ago) Permalink
I get more of a Stone Roses vibe from LTAB than an Oasis one.
― Goodbye 20th Centipede (NickB), Saturday, 19 May 2012 14:20 (1 year ago) Permalink
Twisterella
― wolf kabob (ENBB), Saturday, 19 May 2012 14:33 (1 year ago) Permalink
It's weird how Twisterella is so slick and Making Judy Smile so clunky. It may all be in the songwriter I suppose.
― Ismael Klata, Saturday, 19 May 2012 14:35 (1 year ago) Permalink
There is only one possibly winner of this. The best track on the album, Cool Your Boots.
― fauxmarc, Saturday, 19 May 2012 14:43 (1 year ago) Permalink
Am listening to this while I paint window frames, could get on board with Cool Yr Boots actually. What is this track no. 8 bullshit?
― Goodbye 20th Centipede (NickB), Saturday, 19 May 2012 15:07 (1 year ago) Permalink
* I love 'Leave Them All Behind' and I quite like Oasis 'Live Forever', and nothing else
― Britain's Obtusest Shepherd (Alan), Saturday, 19 May 2012 16:03 (1 year ago) Permalink
leave them all behind seems like it should have been the middle section of a 20 minute epic, it never really leaves its middle level. maybe if they tacked on a 'feel so sad'-ish wistful beginning and a 'the sun, the sea' type blow out with skronky horns at the end. but then they didn't have a nick mccabe. nick mccabe and loz colbert would probably have been pretty great.
― keythhtyek, Saturday, 19 May 2012 16:22 (1 year ago) Permalink
That'd probably be my fantasy shoegaze lineup, with the Verve's bassist too. I don't know who'd be on vocals, I suppose it doesn't much matter. Maybe Tina Turner.
― Ismael Klata, Saturday, 19 May 2012 16:29 (1 year ago) Permalink
If we're playing shoegaze fantasy league I'd like Ian Masters from Pale Saints and Bends era Thom Yorke harmonising in "who is further up the ethereal mountain with a megaphone" mode with Rachel Goswell doing the backing vocals from Pearl, please.
― They have fangs, They have teeth! (White Chocolate Cheesecake), Saturday, 19 May 2012 17:40 (1 year ago) Permalink
Hell, get Sice from Boo Radleys and make it 4-part Beach Boys harmonies.
― They have fangs, They have teeth! (White Chocolate Cheesecake), Saturday, 19 May 2012 17:42 (1 year ago) Permalink
OX4 does do that exact trick, that after that long classic rock organ solo and a bit of riffing and chugging along, at about 2:05, the bass kicks in, the phasers drift off, then when the guitar riff comes in at 2:15, the whole song up another gear, and at that point, you feel the liftoff like the cabin starts to slant and the ground out the window goes diagonal and you realise you're airbourne.
OTM and greatly put - OX4 just feels like air travel. I've always made a point of playing that song on the plane whenever I've moved places - it never fails to conjure new beginnings.
― licorice oratorio (baaderonixx), Monday, 21 May 2012 09:47 (11 months ago) Permalink
Love LTAB. Hate all eras of Oasis. (and to answer WCC above, I always considered MBV to be too much of an advanced art project to be reduced to mere shoegazing, and I love Lush but I wish they could have gotten their live sound down on record adequately. Lush played with Ride out here and Lush was the better band!)
― Vini Reilly Invasion (Elvis Telecom), Monday, 21 May 2012 16:23 (11 months ago) Permalink
A "when shoegazers stopped gazing" poll might be interesting because then we would all have to confront Carnival Of Light and Tarantula.
(would vote for Pygmalion and the Global Communication remix of Blood Music)
― Vini Reilly Invasion (Elvis Telecom), Monday, 21 May 2012 18:18 (11 months ago) Permalink
Also, everyone is aware of the Going Blank Again 20th anniversary release with the DVD?
― Vini Reilly Invasion (Elvis Telecom), Monday, 21 May 2012 18:20 (11 months ago) Permalink
Ooh Lovelife or Pentamerous Metamorphis. Could not decide
― They have fangs, They have teeth! (White Chocolate Cheesecake), Monday, 21 May 2012 18:23 (11 months ago) Permalink
Mark's songs on Carnival of Light are superb; I have no idea how anyone can hate them.
― Ismael Klata, Monday, 21 May 2012 20:50 (11 months ago) Permalink
A "when shoegazers stopped gazing" poll might be interesting
totally seconding this!
― Apartment of Evil (Pillbox), Monday, 21 May 2012 20:53 (11 months ago) Permalink
Might work better as a S/D rather than a poll. Have to think about this one...
― Vini Reilly Invasion (Elvis Telecom), Monday, 21 May 2012 21:05 (11 months ago) Permalink
'Song For The Lovers' ftw
― Ismael Klata, Monday, 21 May 2012 21:19 (11 months ago) Permalink
You sick fuck
― Ned Raggett, Monday, 21 May 2012 21:24 (11 months ago) Permalink
But that's if you want to label Verve as a shoegaze band and they were so much better than that back then.
― Vini Reilly Invasion (Elvis Telecom), Monday, 21 May 2012 21:26 (11 months ago) Permalink
Yeah, always more a flag of convenience at best.
― Ned Raggett, Monday, 21 May 2012 21:29 (11 months ago) Permalink
I have no problem at all with Mark's or Loz's songs on Carnival of Wife.
― They have fangs, They have teeth! (White Chocolate Cheesecake), Monday, 21 May 2012 21:43 (11 months ago) Permalink
I don't suppose anyone's got a rip of 'Rolling Thunder #2', which is a pretty solo guitar version that was on the b-side of Birdman? I'd like to hear it again, but it's ungooglable (a massive drawback of one-word bands btw, lord alone knows how anybody goes about finding stuff by Can)
― Ismael Klata, Monday, 21 May 2012 22:05 (11 months ago) Permalink
try this
http://www.sendspace.com/file/giq0n4
― Britain's Obtusest Shepherd (Alan), Monday, 21 May 2012 22:08 (11 months ago) Permalink
Fabulous! I never expected to hear that again.
(it kind of makes me want to run an iPhoto slideshow now)
― Ismael Klata, Monday, 21 May 2012 22:16 (11 months ago) Permalink
moose would win the after gazing poll no? surely they are the only ones that became better after they stopped gazing. well i suppose you could say that the boo radleys stopped gazing after 'everything's alright' and they released their best records after that. maybe between those two which makes sense since they recorded their best records across the hall from each other.
― keythhtyek, Tuesday, 22 May 2012 04:36 (11 months ago) Permalink
i would say mojave 3 if they count. i would take their debut over any boo radleys or moose (or ride, or probably valentines frankly)
― ban halen (electricsound), Tuesday, 22 May 2012 04:42 (11 months ago) Permalink
(don't mention The Valentines)
― Mark G, Tuesday, 22 May 2012 05:50 (11 months ago) Permalink
There was a very swift decline with Mojave 3. The first album was so great and the second so dull that I got off the bus immediately. Did I miss anything?
Glad someone mentioned Moose, as they were the band the term "shoegazing" was coined for, and made lovely records right up to their demise. Saw them live (with Submarine supporting, did they count?) and though it was a short set (B songs) they were marvellous, conjuring up all the magic and swirl of their records.
― Rob M Revisited, Tuesday, 22 May 2012 05:57 (11 months ago) Permalink
not really. i like a lot of the 2nd album but the first is all-time for me.
― ban halen (electricsound), Tuesday, 22 May 2012 05:57 (11 months ago) Permalink
I bought "Ask me tomorrow" at the same time as "Pygmalion" and couldn't believe the difference between them, but with the same spooked atmosphere on both. "Love songs on the radio" ended up opening my first lithotripsy cd (theres a thread about it on here from 2003) and hey I've got more litho next week.... And this time I've got The Telescopes' "Flying" leading the way (well I will be pumped full of morphine and flying myself).
Nobody's mentioned the Telescopes have they? Shame.
― Rob M Revisited, Tuesday, 22 May 2012 06:09 (11 months ago) Permalink
I tend to think of the Telescopes as being to weird and arty (not to mention early) to get lumped in w shoegaze. I tend to file them next to Loop & Spacemen 3 in the "not really gaze" category.)
― They have fangs, They have teeth! (White Chocolate Cheesecake), Tuesday, 22 May 2012 06:19 (11 months ago) Permalink
The media seemed to take against the Telescopes from the start, claiming they were bandwagon jumping on the MBV / Loop style, then signing to Creation and going baggy didn't help. There was progression in their singles but they were too early or too late and fell between too many stools.
― Rob M Revisited, Tuesday, 22 May 2012 07:18 (11 months ago) Permalink
Oh I like them, I just don't think they're shoegaze.
They fall through too many cracks. ;_;
― Narco Martenot (White Chocolate Cheesecake), Tuesday, 22 May 2012 16:01 (11 months ago) Permalink
A true shoegazer can always avoid the cracks.
― Ismael Klata, Tuesday, 22 May 2012 16:14 (11 months ago) Permalink
LTAB isn't a great (or even a good) song in terms of songwriting in a "great even when you play it with an acoustic guitar" way.there's not much happening melodically and it's pretty repetitive.but the arrangements, dynamics and production are fantastic.the intro is one of the most exciting thing ever !
― AlXTC from Paris, Tuesday, 22 May 2012 16:50 (11 months ago) Permalink
Yeah I love the intro-intro (who keybds) and the second intro (guitars kicking in) but then it just loses the momentum I find
― licorice oratorio (baaderonixx), Tuesday, 22 May 2012 18:46 (11 months ago) Permalink
Really enjoyed listening to this again today as the sun returned. Twisterella, Mouse Trap, Cool Your Boots all sounding great but its all about OX4 really. Beautiful.
― kraudive, Tuesday, 22 May 2012 19:21 (11 months ago) Permalink
I've always loved it, but I feel like it's only really now I'm listening to it on headphones that it's really kicking in for me - the last couple of minutes are extraordinary.
― Ismael Klata, Tuesday, 22 May 2012 19:24 (11 months ago) Permalink
I'm talking about Leave Them All Behind there.
― Ismael Klata, Tuesday, 22 May 2012 19:25 (11 months ago) Permalink
Alan Moulder did a good job, it would've been easy for that to just sound like loud static. I didn't know he was married to Toni Halliday!
― Ismael Klata, Tuesday, 22 May 2012 19:29 (11 months ago) Permalink
Making Judy Smile is the only real clunker
― Britain's Obtusest Shepherd (Alan), Tuesday, 22 May 2012 19:44 (11 months ago) Permalink
I wasn't too impressed with Not Fazed tonight after hearing it again for the first time in a few years.
― kraudive, Tuesday, 22 May 2012 20:06 (11 months ago) Permalink