fuck, I forgot Stevie Ray Vaughn and Darrell Abbott in my list.
― Lee Morgan Come Again (how's life), Saturday, 19 May 2012 10:54 (1 year ago) Permalink
Alan Vorse15 days agoWhile some of the choices are questionable, and I would put Nels Cline at number 1, I think this list is great! Come on! The usual lists are always 1.Hendrix 2.Clapton 3.Van Halen...etc. Lets get some fresh blood in there! Any list that has Vernon Reid, Fripp and Belew, John McLaughlin, Zappa, Sonny Sharrock, Blood Ulmer, Robin Guthrie is awesome!Reply3 replies
Scott Burnett15 days agoThere's a reason Hendrix, Clapton & Van Halen are usually first... if you're not sure why, enjoy reading SPIN.Reply2 replies
stoner dude14 days agoEnjoy your classic rock radio stations.
I am glad to see a list break free from the calcified shackles that most lists suffer from...Eric Clapton is the most overrated musician to ever do a line of coke.Reply1 reply
andrew jackson11 days agoAgreed. Clapton is so overrated its not even funny. He played a little fuzzier than some of his contemporaries, and played some cool guitar solos in Cream, a band whose roaring engine was Jack Bruce. He then became an adult contemporary artist and master of the clean tone elevator music guitar solo. His music is the audio equivalent of a polo shirt tucked into jean shorts accompanying black socks and sandals. Nothing about Eric Clapton has rocked in about 40 years.
― a hoy hoy, Saturday, 19 May 2012 10:59 (1 year ago) Permalink
guitar whites
― a hoy hoy, Saturday, 19 May 2012 11:00 (1 year ago) Permalink
Randy Peterson15 days agoIs this some sort of joke or what ?Reply
Randy Peterson15 days agoIs this some sort of joke ? WTF ?
― a hoy hoy, Saturday, 19 May 2012 11:01 (1 year ago) Permalink
voted for Nile Rodgers.
― Exile in lolville (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 19 May 2012 11:20 (1 year ago) Permalink
Would honestly put Curt Kirkwood ahead of all of the other SST band dudes. Rick Bishop should've made the list as well. Out of this bunch it's either Fripp or Bailey or Fahey.
― Goodbye 20th Centipede (NickB), Saturday, 19 May 2012 11:21 (1 year ago) Permalink
love the '&' entries, bet Lou is annoyed.
Zoot Horn Rollo & Antennae Jimmy Siemens would have got my vote
― Charles Kennedy Jumped Up, He Called 'Oh No'. (Tom D.), Saturday, 19 May 2012 11:22 (1 year ago) Permalink
damn, yeah, finally i can hear about how great greg ginn is. at long last^this
love the '&' entries, bet Lou is annoyed.and ^this
Say what you want about elevator music, Spin commentator, but Derek & the Dominos is a perpetual Untuck Your Polo Shirt Free card.
― Ian Hunter Is Learning the Game (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 19 May 2012 11:23 (1 year ago) Permalink
Did Richard Thompson make the long list?
― Goodbye 20th Centipede (NickB), Saturday, 19 May 2012 11:24 (1 year ago) Permalink
Jesus, that's a criminal omission. So we have Tom Verlaine but no Richard Thompson?!??!?
― Charles Kennedy Jumped Up, He Called 'Oh No'. (Tom D.), Saturday, 19 May 2012 11:26 (1 year ago) Permalink
I know right!
― Goodbye 20th Centipede (NickB), Saturday, 19 May 2012 11:28 (1 year ago) Permalink
Also, if it's Verlaine & Lloyd it should definitely be Quine & Julien. Where's Johnny Thunders, by the way?
― Charles Kennedy Jumped Up, He Called 'Oh No'. (Tom D.), Saturday, 19 May 2012 11:28 (1 year ago) Permalink
Voted Syd Barrett
― Charles Kennedy Jumped Up, He Called 'Oh No'. (Tom D.), Saturday, 19 May 2012 11:29 (1 year ago) Permalink
Tom Verlaine & Richard Lloyd (Television)Johnny RamoneEddie Hazel (Funkadelic)This little sequence is amusing to me for some reason.
― Ian Hunter Is Learning the Game (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 19 May 2012 11:37 (1 year ago) Permalink
Actually my favourite guy who would have been a very cool inclusion on the list is Michio Kurihara.
― Goodbye 20th Centipede (NickB), Saturday, 19 May 2012 11:44 (1 year ago) Permalink
i'm kind of curious what the process to arrive at this was ... like whether there was a ballot or whether it was an afternoon's spitballing
i enjoy the list, tho. tho it does kind of remind me of wire's 'in praise of the riff' thing from a few years back - which was all 'hey wouldn't it be awesome to have edgard varere on the same list of BORIS, wouldn't that be great and redefine our categories, that would be so awesome of us' - is how i feel about the presence of the odd improv dude or guitar composer here
― thomp, Saturday, 19 May 2012 11:45 (1 year ago) Permalink
voting fripp based on both technicality + inventiveness
i'm a bit surprised by the lack of postpunkers. no keith levene, john mcgeoch, rowland s howard, daniel ash, geordie, roger miller etc?
― cock chirea, Saturday, 19 May 2012 12:12 (1 year ago) Permalink
WHERE'S VINI REILLY??????????
― cock chirea, Saturday, 19 May 2012 12:14 (1 year ago) Permalink
Went to a Prince after show last night. That swayed my vote. He tore the place down.
― Popture, Saturday, 19 May 2012 13:12 (1 year ago) Permalink
I'd be more annoyed if I were, like, Bilinda Butcher or Ed O'Brien and just left out of the "&" altogether. ;)
― They have fangs, They have teeth! (White Chocolate Cheesecake), Saturday, 19 May 2012 13:38 (1 year ago) Permalink
I mean that says something, doesn't it? In a band with 3 guitarists you pick the one who spends the least time playing guitar.
― They have fangs, They have teeth! (White Chocolate Cheesecake), Saturday, 19 May 2012 13:41 (1 year ago) Permalink
Surprised Keith Rowe and Kevin Drumm aren't on the list.
Annoyed Pete Townshend and Bo Diddley aren't.
― Tarfumes The Escape Goat, Saturday, 19 May 2012 13:49 (1 year ago) Permalink
voted McLaughlin. hadn't noticed that King & Hanneman are paired. lol their styles are actually really different if you're like listening to the way they play, you know, the guitar
― cosi fan whitford (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Saturday, 19 May 2012 14:48 (1 year ago) Permalink
I get what they're trying to do here, but I don't get not including people like Doug Martsch or Joey Santiago while they include footnotes like King Buzzy and Dimebag Darrell.
― Darin, Saturday, 19 May 2012 15:09 (1 year ago) Permalink
umm Dimebag is not a footnote at all
Buzzo, ok he introduced sludge to a bunch of indie rock dudes who were never going to hear about it otherwise, it's important that the sludge dude also be the indie dude
― cosi fan whitford (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Saturday, 19 May 2012 15:27 (1 year ago) Permalink
Buzzo's style was kind of low hanging fruit that was bound to be copped at some point in the late 80's/early 90's. Santiago influence seems much larger (as does Martsch in the following decade).
― Darin, Saturday, 19 May 2012 15:44 (1 year ago) Permalink
and while Dimebag may not be a footnote, I don't hear much individuality in his style. maybe I'm wrong...
― Darin, Saturday, 19 May 2012 15:46 (1 year ago) Permalink
ha yeah, santiago and martsch are major oversights in this list. both pretty major dudes in terms of the last 25 years of the guitar i'd say.
― tylerw, Saturday, 19 May 2012 15:49 (1 year ago) Permalink
Are you really surprised by this?
― EveningStar (Sund4r), Saturday, 19 May 2012 15:53 (1 year ago) Permalink
well the last 25 years of indie guitar, but yeah since that's what the list is
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― man pipes blog (some dude), Saturday, 19 May 2012 15:54 (1 year ago) Permalink
Derek Bailey.
― crüt, Saturday, 19 May 2012 15:57 (1 year ago) Permalink
Hendrix really is a criminal omission imo
― crüt, Saturday, 19 May 2012 16:00 (1 year ago) Permalink
Hendrix and Sonic Youth together basically form the center of my personal guitar universe, so having one at #1 and the other completely excluded def doesn't sit right with me
― man pipes blog (some dude), Saturday, 19 May 2012 16:05 (1 year ago) Permalink
my problem with this list is that they're trying to have it both ways by insisting that they celebrate these less famous dudes, but then still include trad guitar hero dudes like Zappa, Neil Young, McLaughlin, Iommi, The Edge, etc.
― Darin, Saturday, 19 May 2012 16:10 (1 year ago) Permalink
voted dealwithit.gif
― thommys got bendz (Whiney G. Weingarten), Saturday, 19 May 2012 16:16 (1 year ago) Permalink
you 'got the people talking,' that's what you wanted
― man pipes blog (some dude), Saturday, 19 May 2012 16:24 (1 year ago) Permalink
whiney did you have like a 'voting process' or was it more of a 'hey guys who would you find it amusing to put on this list' process
― thomp, Saturday, 19 May 2012 16:26 (1 year ago) Permalink
Would honestly put Curt Kirkwood ahead of all of the other SST band dudes.
― Goodbye 20th Centipede (NickB), Saturday, 19 May 2012 11:21 (4 hours ago) Permalink
Absolutely.
― Hierophantiasis (Jon Lewis), Saturday, 19 May 2012 16:29 (1 year ago) Permalink
some dude, your whole attitude about this has been really shitty and tiresome
― thommys got bendz (Whiney G. Weingarten), Saturday, 19 May 2012 16:41 (1 year ago) Permalink
my attitude about this has been exactly the same as 30 other ppl on this board, take it personal if you want but be advised your favorite word "BUTTHURT!!!!!!!!" will be dispensed
― man pipes blog (some dude), Saturday, 19 May 2012 16:44 (1 year ago) Permalink
those 30 other people post about it once and you post about it non-stop
― thommys got bendz (Whiney G. Weingarten), Saturday, 19 May 2012 16:45 (1 year ago) Permalink
Like if you're trying to deej me, i guess it worked? ("YAY HE <b>RESPONDED</b> ROFLOLOLOL")
― thommys got bendz (Whiney G. Weingarten), Saturday, 19 May 2012 16:46 (1 year ago) Permalink
that's just patently untrue, lots of people have posted about this list as much or more than me
― man pipes blog (some dude), Saturday, 19 May 2012 16:47 (1 year ago) Permalink
why don't you make me a list of them
― thommys got bendz (Whiney G. Weingarten), Saturday, 19 May 2012 16:52 (1 year ago) Permalink
Legitimately surprised that Rowe isn't on the list; find it somewhat curious that Drumm isn't.
― Tarfumes The Escape Goat, Saturday, 19 May 2012 16:53 (1 year ago) Permalink
whiney under your own 'say something nice too if you're gonna critique' rule i complimented the hell out of the guitarist infographic in the issue, sorry if that wasn't your baby and this 'lol skrillex' stunt was. but it's not like croup and aero and strongo and m@tt and elvis telecom were all giving you high fives for this and then i broke up the celebration.
― man pipes blog (some dude), Saturday, 19 May 2012 16:56 (1 year ago) Permalink
croup was giving the list lots of props between his criticisms actually!
― thommys got bendz (Whiney G. Weingarten), Saturday, 19 May 2012 16:58 (1 year ago) Permalink
omg shut UP.
― They have fangs, They have teeth! (White Chocolate Cheesecake), Saturday, 19 May 2012 17:44 (1 year ago) Permalink
Whiney if this list had been made by another magazine I bet you would have hated it and be on here complaining!
― it looks like something rupert the bear would wear (Algerian Goalkeeper), Saturday, 19 May 2012 17:48 (1 year ago) Permalink
But you voted eddie hazel so all is well!
― it looks like something rupert the bear would wear (Algerian Goalkeeper), Saturday, 19 May 2012 17:49 (1 year ago) Permalink
real talk whiney have you heard Lost Somewhere Between The Earth And My Home? incredible album, you should check it out sometime.
― some dude, Tuesday, 29 May 2012 15:14 (11 months ago) Permalink
great album, but I like <i>Butch</i> better
― rock the swagon and g.o.a.t. it (Whiney G. Weingarten), Tuesday, 29 May 2012 15:31 (11 months ago) Permalink
yeah the fibbers were pretty good -- better live than on record imo, at least the times I saw them. that scarnella record that cline and bozulich did was pretty damn good too.
― tylerw, Tuesday, 29 May 2012 15:33 (11 months ago) Permalink
cline's best stuff was with Watt imo
― rock the swagon and g.o.a.t. it (Whiney G. Weingarten), Tuesday, 29 May 2012 15:34 (11 months ago) Permalink
yeah, or at least def his best sideman-to-a-vocalist work
― some dude, Tuesday, 29 May 2012 15:35 (11 months ago) Permalink
Cline's instrumental compositional/improvisational work is so much more significant to me than his rock guitar playing (and I do really like his lead guitar playing with Wilco and Lee Ranaldo).
― EveningStar (Sund4r), Tuesday, 29 May 2012 15:44 (11 months ago) Permalink
(especially when considering as a great guitarist)
― EveningStar (Sund4r), Tuesday, 29 May 2012 17:31 (11 months ago) Permalink
I voted Ginn.
Have always been intrigued by his lack of prowess and totally rubbish tone. He was great.He seemed to just jam along in any key, in a way that made me think he didn't even know what key he was in and certainly his scales were unique.
Ever since I heard My War back when it was released, that twat influenced my guitar playing. What he was doing sounded so random, angry and sludgy,.It was always the easy way out and I only played on stage 7 times and my career was over.
He still deserves my vote.
Now, Greg, let somebody with a clue remaster them classic SST albums
― Jessie Fer Ark (Mobbed Up Ping Pong Psychos), Tuesday, 29 May 2012 19:13 (11 months ago) Permalink
on greg ginn:
― spextor vs bextor (contenderizer), Tuesday, 29 May 2012 19:22 (11 months ago) Permalink
Have always been intrigued by his lack of prowess and totally rubbish tone. He was great.
I think I'm putting my finger on why I never liked Black Flag that much, one or two songs aside, and Ginn especially. Maybe even why I love some classic Amerindie and am left totally cold by some.
no, i just mean he was part of a scene/era in which chops were not a must
I've actually been thinking about this. I guess it depends what you consider to be his scene/era. I really like several bands on Ginn's own label - Sonic Youth, Husker Du, fIREHOSE, Meat Puppets - all of whom seemed to place some value on musicianship. I'd probably say that in some cases they were better musicians, at least as instrumentalists, than many mainstream rock bands of that time. I realize that most of these were 'indie rock' and not 'hardcore' bands (at least as far as the records I listen to go). But, while I get that chops were not a must, even some other hardcore bands seemed to have placed a greater emphasis on tightness, e.g. Minor Threat, whom I also dislike but for different reasons.
― EveningStar (Sund4r), Wednesday, 30 May 2012 00:22 (11 months ago) Permalink
Thinking about why I don't like something often tends to be a first step in starting to appreciate it. I used to hate Pavement for similar reasons.
― EveningStar (Sund4r), Wednesday, 30 May 2012 00:31 (11 months ago) Permalink
figured he must have been a big influence on kerry king
Can see this btw (and I love Reign in Blood obv).
― EveningStar (Sund4r), Wednesday, 30 May 2012 15:36 (11 months ago) Permalink
WTF?! How could this list omit Kevin Okanyra?!
― this guy's a gangsta? his real name's mittens. (Hurting 2), Wednesday, 30 May 2012 15:43 (11 months ago) Permalink
(j/k I made up that name)
loved the album he did with hans bennink and joe mcphee
― wack nerd zinging in the dead of night (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 30 May 2012 15:52 (11 months ago) Permalink
imo he was kind of an overrated gimmick player, it's not like the 6th and 7th fingers on his left hand really contributed to his fretwork at all
― some dude, Wednesday, 30 May 2012 15:54 (11 months ago) Permalink
wasn't he uncredited on some of those denny vertigo peel sessions?
― goole, Wednesday, 30 May 2012 15:54 (11 months ago) Permalink
― some dude, Wednesday, May 30, 2012 11:54 AM Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
particularly on those records where he plays a stringless.
Incidentally, one of those was enough.
― this guy's a gangsta? his real name's mittens. (Hurting 2), Wednesday, 30 May 2012 16:00 (11 months ago) Permalink
i disagree, i'd put him in the top five stringless baritone guitar players ever
― wack nerd zinging in the dead of night (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 30 May 2012 16:01 (11 months ago) Permalink
His pit band work on the touring cast recording of CATS is kind of an overlooked gem though
― this guy's a gangsta? his real name's mittens. (Hurting 2), Wednesday, 30 May 2012 16:02 (11 months ago) Permalink
little known fact: he invented that pick-holder that you stick onto your guitar. His nickname was "butterhand" for a reason.
― this guy's a gangsta? his real name's mittens. (Hurting 2), Wednesday, 30 May 2012 16:03 (11 months ago) Permalink
okanyra shreds
― max, Wednesday, 30 May 2012 16:10 (11 months ago) Permalink