Also I will acknowledge that Satantango is a great film but there are abt 10,000 other films I will pick before I choose to rewatch it.
― a parker full of poseys (Stevie D(eux)), Friday, 18 May 2012 21:54 (twelve years ago) link
Sorry, Carl. With me, you would've placed way higher.
Took me about ten very puzzling seconds to figure out you weren't talking to me.
― Polly biscuit face (carl agatha), Friday, 18 May 2012 21:58 (twelve years ago) link
Thanks for that, KJB. A vast improvement of what I was trying to say earlier. Genre application seems so subjective to me that it's hardly worth arguing about too much. But that doesn't mean it isn't fun to do so.
And thanks for the Kupperman panel, contenderizer. I knew the "hating cubes" thing reminded me of something.
― Bob Bop Perano (Deric W. Haircare), Friday, 18 May 2012 22:00 (twelve years ago) link
lol another snake n bacon fan!
xp
― Roger Barfing (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 18 May 2012 22:00 (twelve years ago) link
Re: torture porn, once we were getting free Showtime & I turned to it at a prime-town hour, like 8pm, and it was some mainstream torture porn movie and was featuring a recognizable actress lashed to a table and being forced to drink a smoothie of blended-up body parts by having a funnel shoved into her mouth. Can't remember the movie or the actress. But it really drove home again how screwed up violence/sex limits are in American media. I mean, imagine what the porn equivalent of that scene would be, presented at 8pm for all the kiddies.
― The Thnig, Friday, May 18, 2012 5:21 PM (31 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
Although I haven't seen it, I recognize this as "Captivity" starring Elisha Cuthbert of "24" fame. And my understanding is that this movie tries to engage in a super duper plot twist and falls flat on its face. The movie was also infamous for a controversy involving its billboard advertisements.
― i love the large auns pictures! (Phil D.), Friday, 18 May 2012 22:02 (twelve years ago) link
see, Stevie, that's why I have concluded Satantango is not a great film (after a 2nd viewing this winter).
― World Congress of Itch (Dr Morbius), Friday, 18 May 2012 22:02 (twelve years ago) link
Ohhh yeah, I remember those billboards. They were pretty awful.
― Polly biscuit face (carl agatha), Friday, 18 May 2012 22:06 (twelve years ago) link
Also, KJB, re: favorites and masterpieces, I pretty consciously avoid any overt attempts at objective "quality" when I put together my ballots for these polls largely because, as you mention, there's an inherent subjectivity lurking behind all attempts to present one's own take on The Greatest Anything. All I can root for in good conscience is the stuff that has affected me personally and then try not to give too much of a rip whether it has more detractors than proponents. I'll be the first to recognize that my picks don't usually align with the canon or general critical approval, but I really don't care as that was never my intention in the first place.
― Bob Bop Perano (Deric W. Haircare), Friday, 18 May 2012 22:11 (twelve years ago) link
That is a healthy attitude.
― Polly biscuit face (carl agatha), Friday, 18 May 2012 22:13 (twelve years ago) link
Idk, I enjoy a lot of banal and mediocre things that I'd have a hard time calling great
there's often a certain amount of back-and-forth on GOAT threads about whether or not it makes sense to distinguish between things that are "genuinely great" and not-great things that one happens to like for whatever reason. i think it does make sense to consider the distinction, but not to be bound by it.
call me an idiot, but i enjoyed haute tension more than inside or martyrs. i even liked the conclusion, despite the fact that it's patently ridiculous. there's a long point-of-view shot near the end in which the protagonist follows a half-seen car down a foggy road at night while romantic dreampop music plays. i realized during this shot that i was watching something deliberately unrealistic, that the film was trying to make a virtue of dreamlike atmosphere, of heightened and evocative incoherence. having grasped this, i wasn't asking for the ensuing wrap-up to make much sense; i just wanted it to be colorful and interesting. it was, so i was satisfied.
stepping back, i realize that my take on the film is personal and may have nothing to do with the filmmakers' intent. maybe it's just generic slasher movie with a dumb twist ending that i manufactured a "poetic" justification for. even if that's true, it doesn't matter to me and doesn't affect my evaluation of the film. my personal experience of it is enough to justify my fondness for it. if i'd liked it enough, i'd have voted for it, and i wouldn't have worried a bit about whether or not it's truly great enough to merit the inclusion.
― The term or title antichrist, in Christian theology, refers to (contenderizer), Friday, 18 May 2012 22:14 (twelve years ago) link
^ redundant, i guess, in view of what deric just said
― The term or title antichrist, in Christian theology, refers to (contenderizer), Friday, 18 May 2012 22:15 (twelve years ago) link
did want to thank KJB for this paragraph, the best thing anyone's said about genre itt (emphasis mine):
I do think that the arguments about boundaries in this thread (and others like it, I presume) reveal a misunderstanding about genre because genre is more a perpetual activity than a thing per se, more a verb than a noun. As Rick Altman puts it, "genres must be seen as a site of struggle among users" (in Film/Genre, p. 99). Or here's a juicier quote: "Whereas no critical discourse, however prestigious and oft repeated, can become part of Hamlet, even the lowliest of genre critics cannot help but contribute to the genre itself" (84).
― The term or title antichrist, in Christian theology, refers to (contenderizer), Friday, 18 May 2012 22:18 (twelve years ago) link
That said, I'm always trying to take in positive critical takes on various things to gauge what might be worth a look-see, so (as I said before) I'm always happy to see ILX poll results that are surprising and filled with things I haven't seen/heard of/read. 'Cuz I largely trust the intention and thoughtfulness underlying y'all's taste, even if my tastes don't always align with those of the ILX massive.
― Bob Bop Perano (Deric W. Haircare), Friday, 18 May 2012 22:18 (twelve years ago) link
Rick Altman was my advisor in college.
― The Thnig, Friday, 18 May 2012 22:26 (twelve years ago) link
And he was HORRIFYING!!! There, better?
― The Thnig, Friday, 18 May 2012 22:35 (twelve years ago) link
Actually, a big project of mine in Altman's class was analyzing the sound effects of the Leslie Neilson segment of CREEPSHOW. aaaand scene.
― The Thnig, Friday, 18 May 2012 22:51 (twelve years ago) link
:D
― carl agatha, Friday, 18 May 2012 22:56 (twelve years ago) link
martyrs kinda killed a certain kind of movie for me. after watching it, i definitely remember feeling like "well, that certainly closes a chapter in 21st-centur horror flicks." not that they'll stop coming, but i mean, why bother?
― jesus christ (strongo hulkington's ghost dad), Friday, 18 May 2012 23:07 (twelve years ago) link
Wow, Thnig. That sounds awesome. I'm mildly obsessed with the voice effect Romero used for the water zombies. And the one used for Nathan Grantham's voice. And the sound of Nathan Grantham pulling himself out of the soil. And pretty much every single use of sound in that movie.
― Bob Bop Perano (Deric W. Haircare), Friday, 18 May 2012 23:15 (twelve years ago) link
also shaun of the dead is the only "oh, you fuckers" for me today, but not because "it's not horror."
― jesus christ (strongo hulkington's ghost dad), Friday, 18 May 2012 23:17 (twelve years ago) link
Anybody want to help a brother out and do a today recap? Currently posting from an iPhone so you don't need to worry abt a long boring tirade or anything.
― O_o-O_0-o_O (jjjusten), Friday, 18 May 2012 23:21 (twelve years ago) link
yeah Shaun of the Dead is clearly a horror movie (albeit of the comedy variety) I just don't think it's that good.
― Roger Barfing (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 18 May 2012 23:23 (twelve years ago) link
70. Let's Scare Jessica to Death69. Cemetary Man68. Cure67. Hour of the Wolf66. The Innocents65. Mulholland Drive64. Gremlins63. Shaun of the Dead62. Frankenstein61. M60. Vampyr59. Cat People (1942)58. Martyrs57. Bride of Frankenstein56. The Vanishing
― Roger Barfing (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 18 May 2012 23:27 (twelve years ago) link
plus lots of arguments about what does/doesn't belong here
― Roger Barfing (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 18 May 2012 23:29 (twelve years ago) link
No more results until Monday, right?
― carl agatha, Friday, 18 May 2012 23:29 (twelve years ago) link
I defended the presence of M, other people stood up for Gremlins, Morbz complained about old shit getting the shaft, retread of torture-porn debate re: Martyrs, the end
― Roger Barfing (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 18 May 2012 23:31 (twelve years ago) link
You forgot the part where we all reached consensus on a working definition of "horror".
― Ninja Rap (Deric W. Haircare), Friday, 18 May 2012 23:33 (twelve years ago) link
oh right. high fives all around!
― Roger Barfing (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 18 May 2012 23:34 (twelve years ago) link
xp - that about covers it, yeah, plus intermittent grousing about arty shit and a long but useful kjb truthbomb
― The term or title antichrist, in Christian theology, refers to (contenderizer), Friday, 18 May 2012 23:35 (twelve years ago) link
Deric--me too, those exact 2 same zombie voices in Creepshow have always fascinated me. They're so, I dunno, gargley. xpost
― The Thnig, Friday, 18 May 2012 23:37 (twelve years ago) link
who voted for Shaun of the Dead btw? I like zombie comedies and this one was okay, but it didn't seem particularly inventive, nor did it have the manic energy of DeadAlive or Evil Dead 2
― Roger Barfing (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 18 May 2012 23:41 (twelve years ago) link
I did. I think it's great and that it works on a number of levels, almost the least of which is as a zombie movie (which, I gathered, was sort of the point). So it was a little lower on my ballot.
― Ninja Rap (Deric W. Haircare), Friday, 18 May 2012 23:45 (twelve years ago) link
Full recap:
056. The Vanishing [Spoorloos] [1988, 326 points, 11 votes]057. The Bride of Frankenstein [1935, 326 points, 9 votes]058. Martyrs [2008, 319 points, 10 votes]059. Cat People [1942, 316 points, 12 votes]060. Vampyr [1932, 314 points, 8 votes]
061. M [1931, 312 points, 9 votes, 1 first-place vote]062. Frankenstein [1931, 301 points, 13 votes]063. Shaun of the Dead [2004, 301 points, 11 votes]064. Gremlins [1984, 299 points, 12 votes]065. Mulholland Drive [2001, 299 points, 9 votes]066. The Innocents [1961, 298 points, 10 votes]067. Hour of the Wolf [Vargtimmen] [1968, 292 points, 10 votes]068. Cure [Kyua] [1997, 289 points, 9 votes]069. Cemetery Man [Dellamorte Dellamore] [1994, 288 points, 8 votes, 1 first-place vote]070. Let's Scare Jessica to Death [1971, 272 points, 11 votes]
071. Henry: Portrait of a Serial Killer [1986, 272 points, 10 votes]072. Curse of the Demon [Night of the Demon] [1957, 261 points, 9 votes](tie). Drag Me To Hell [2009, 261 points, 9 votes]074. Threads [1984, 251 points, 6 votes]075. Creepshow [1982, 250 points, 10 votes](tie). Invasion Of The Body Snatchers [1956, 250 points, 10 votes]077. Pan's Labyrinth [2006, 246 points, 9 votes]078. Hellraiser [1987, 232 points, 10 votes]079. Dead Ringers [1988, 228 points, 8 votes]080. Nosferatu: Phantom der Nacht [1979, 226 points, 8 votes]
081. Duel [1971, 224 points, 8 votes]082. Kwaidan [1964, 224 points, 6 votes, 1 first-place vote]083. Picnic at Hanging Rock [1975, 220 points, 7 votes]084. Near Dark [1987, 219 points, 10 votes]085. Twin Peaks: Fire Walk With Me [1992, 218 points, 8 votes]086. Witchfinder General [The Conqueror Worm] [1968, 209 points, 10 votes]087. I Walked with a Zombie [1943, 208 points, 8 votes]088. The Seventh Victim [1943, 206 points, 6 votes, 1 first-place vote]089. Wolf Creek [2005, 205 points, 7 votes]090. Dressed To Kill [1980, 202 points, 8 votes, 1 first-place vote]
091. Curse of the Cat People [1944, 200 points, 5 votes]092. Onibaba [1964, 191 points, 7 votes]093. Se7en [1995, 189 points, 10 votes]094. Paranormal Activity [2007, 189 points, 7 votes]095. The Cabin in the Woods [2012, 189 points, 6 votes]096. May [2002, 186 points, 8 votes]097. [rec] [2007, 178 points, 7 votes]098. Blood on Satan's Claw [Satan's Skin] [1971, 177 points, 8 votes]099. Pontypool [2008, 176 points, 7 votes]100. Phantasm [1979, 175 points, 8 votes]
― emil.y, Friday, 18 May 2012 23:51 (twelve years ago) link
Ones from my ballot that have made it so far:
056. The Vanishing [Spoorloos] [1988, 326 points, 11 votes]059. Cat People [1942, 316 points, 12 votes]060. Vampyr [1932, 314 points, 8 votes]062. Frankenstein [1931, 301 points, 13 votes]067. Hour of the Wolf [Vargtimmen] [1968, 292 points, 10 votes]074. Threads [1984, 251 points, 6 votes]086. Witchfinder General [The Conqueror Worm] [1968, 209 points, 10 votes]092. Onibaba [1964, 191 points, 7 votes]098. Blood on Satan's Claw [Satan's Skin] [1971, 177 points, 8 votes]
― emil.y, Friday, 18 May 2012 23:54 (twelve years ago) link
I'm up to ten: The Vanishing (Spoorloos), Shaun of the Dead, Gremlins, Mulholland Drive, Henry: Portrait of a Serial Killer, Creepshow, Hellraiser, Twin Peaks: Fire Walk With Me, Seven, Phantasm.
― Ninja Rap (Deric W. Haircare), Friday, 18 May 2012 23:59 (twelve years ago) link
i did not vote for SotD, but i don't think its appeal lies in invention or manic energy. it's more about performances, attention to character, charm and wit.
― The term or title antichrist, in Christian theology, refers to (contenderizer), Saturday, 19 May 2012 00:01 (twelve years ago) link
Creepshow, at #5 on my ballot, is the only one of my top 15 (i.e. the ones I'm really invested in) to make it thus far.
― Ninja Rap (Deric W. Haircare), Saturday, 19 May 2012 00:02 (twelve years ago) link
voted for these:
056. The Vanishing066. The Innocents077. Pan's Labyrinth079. Dead Ringers080. Nosferatu: Phantom der Nacht084. Near Dark085. Twin Peaks: Fire Walk With Me
― Simon H., Saturday, 19 May 2012 00:04 (twelve years ago) link
THUS FAR: Curse Of The Cat People, The Seventh Victim, Witchfinder General, Cemetary Man, Cure, The Innocents.
All the classy items on my list have ranked thus far (beyond good' n gory CM).
― I serve at the pleasure of Dr. Dre and a team of Sorbonne scientists. (R Baez), Saturday, 19 May 2012 00:05 (twelve years ago) link
nine so far: phantasm, pontypool, may, creepshow, cemetery man, cure, hour of the wolf, mulholland dr. and the bride of frankenstein
somewhat regret not voting for: dressed to kill, near dark and cat people.
― The term or title antichrist, in Christian theology, refers to (contenderizer), Saturday, 19 May 2012 00:08 (twelve years ago) link
ALSO: I salute your ghoulish PUNS-MANSHIP, Eric H.
― I serve at the pleasure of Dr. Dre and a team of Sorbonne scientists. (R Baez), Saturday, 19 May 2012 00:08 (twelve years ago) link
yeah, he really knows how to BURN a phrase
(you know, as though it were tied to a stake and in need of burning)
― The term or title antichrist, in Christian theology, refers to (contenderizer), Saturday, 19 May 2012 00:11 (twelve years ago) link
holy shit eric h, i only just found this thread, you are fantastic
― Autumn Almanac, Saturday, 19 May 2012 00:12 (twelve years ago) link
I voted for it. Per my gut-instinct voting non-strategy strategy, I liked it and thought it was fun.
― carl agatha, Saturday, 19 May 2012 00:12 (twelve years ago) link
has a SLAY with words, etc
― The term or title antichrist, in Christian theology, refers to (contenderizer), Saturday, 19 May 2012 00:12 (twelve years ago) link
Didn't vote but SotD would have made my ballot.
― Fas Ro Duh (Gukbe), Saturday, 19 May 2012 00:22 (twelve years ago) link
films that i voted for thusfar (12-for-45):
059. Cat People060. Vampyr061. M063. Shaun of the Dead067. Hour of the Wolf [Vargtimmen]071. Henry: Portrait of a Serial Killer075. Invasion Of The Body Snatchers [1956]077. Pan's Labyrinth082. Kwaidan080. Nosferatu: Phantom der Nacht090. Dressed To Kill093. Se7en
― Boris Kutyurkokhov (Eisbaer), Saturday, 19 May 2012 00:47 (twelve years ago) link
KJB's ethos works for him bcz he's seen everything. YMMV, DWH
― World Congress of Itch (Dr Morbius), Saturday, 19 May 2012 00:56 (twelve years ago) link
my votes thus far:
061. M [1931, 312 points, 9 votes, 1 first-place vote]065. Mulholland Drive [2001, 299 points, 9 votes]066. The Innocents [1961, 298 points, 10 votes]070. Let's Scare Jessica to Death [1971, 272 points, 11 votes](tie). Drag Me To Hell [2009, 261 points, 9 votes]075. Creepshow [1982, 250 points, 10 votes]084. Near Dark [1987, 219 points, 10 votes]086. Witchfinder General [The Conqueror Worm] [1968, 209 points, 10 votes]089. Wolf Creek [2005, 205 points, 7 votes]096. May [2002, 186 points, 8 votes]100. Phantasm [1979, 175 points, 8 votes]
― Darin, Saturday, 19 May 2012 01:07 (twelve years ago) link
Could be, but I don't personally view the discovery and consumption of art as a race or a competition. I like to think that I'll still be discovering gems in my golden years. Plus I have no professional incentive to be massively coversant about any particular artform, so it's nice to relax my slacks and not feel any need to "keep up".
― Ninja Rap (Deric W. Haircare), Saturday, 19 May 2012 01:35 (twelve years ago) link