Occupy Wall Street 3: Now What?

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no worries that had occurred to me too but this guy's story is just so disheartening - really his arrest is just one in a long litany of run-ins with the law, multiple stints in prison, etc. The guy is schizophrenic (hears voices, the whole bit), had a meth problem, blacks out and gets violent, in and out of institutions his whole life. That he got wrapped up in Occupy is just some marriage of convenience, and it's a bummer. It's not just his politics that are incoherent, it's his anger, his worldview, his whole life.

Roger Barfing (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 17 May 2012 18:18 (2 years ago) Permalink

any social justice movement's goals in regards to him would be to get him help and take care of him, not to make a martyr out of him by putting him on the front lines of a protest where he will come into conflict with cops

Roger Barfing (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 17 May 2012 18:20 (2 years ago) Permalink

I should really find that story arghh...

Roger Barfing (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 17 May 2012 18:20 (2 years ago) Permalink

there need to be at least some people who can do elaborate theoretical analysis and attempt to explain their conclusions to people less interested in or equipped for that kind of thing; these i guess are what you call leaders (the l-word!) and occupy has plenty of them whether it admits it or not; but as far as people being "incoherently" angry, i mean, fucking good that people are angry; i hope they get angrier; and as long as they can memorize a few keywords (collateralized debt obligation!) and get it basically straight who's screwing them (which a lot of people already know anyway) i don't really mind if they haven't read all three volumes of capital. i mean i'm one of them. (if anything this seems like an elitist way of thinking, since it shruggingly accepts that not everyone is gonna be a scholar. but scholars can't revolt by themselves.)

obv different thing from this case which is just :( yeah.

good men like my father, or president truman (difficult listening hour), Thursday, 17 May 2012 18:32 (2 years ago) Permalink

(realize that "read all three volumes of capital" is an ad absurdum cartoon of the level of political engagement you're talking about, since who does that, but still.)

good men like my father, or president truman (difficult listening hour), Thursday, 17 May 2012 18:35 (2 years ago) Permalink

as far as people being "incoherently" angry, i mean, fucking good that people are angry; i hope they get angrier;

I was referring to the fact that this guy was incoherently angry to begin with - he blacks out and assaults people. He's a crazed transient. His engagement with Occupy's rhetoric goes no farther than obsessing over the oath he took to "defend the Constitution" as a member of the US Army, and the fact that the Patriot Act is bad. Also people are taking away his rights. It's like sub-Tea Party stuff.

Roger Barfing (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 17 May 2012 19:04 (2 years ago) Permalink

no i know i was talking about hoos' general concerns

good men like my father, or president truman (difficult listening hour), Thursday, 17 May 2012 19:05 (2 years ago) Permalink

not being like "schizoprenia is a useful tool in the toolbox!"

good men like my father, or president truman (difficult listening hour), Thursday, 17 May 2012 19:06 (2 years ago) Permalink

lol

Roger Barfing (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 17 May 2012 19:06 (2 years ago) Permalink

Guilty lolz xp

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Thursday, 17 May 2012 19:15 (2 years ago) Permalink

hoos i will very much buy you dinner anytime you find me in nyc.

(Name Withheld to Avoid Hassle) (forksclovetofu), Thursday, 17 May 2012 19:19 (2 years ago) Permalink

part of the reason i'm so excited about chicago (which, if i can get a ride by tomorrow, i may still be doing?) is that it's finally creating an opportunity to more explicitly make the connections between low intensity class warfare of attrition at home and the war machine abroad

http://truth-out.org/news/item/9205-occupy-chicago-takes-on-the-war-at-home

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Thursday, 17 May 2012 22:05 (2 years ago) Permalink

haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

http://secondcitycop.blogspot.com/2012/05/hacked.html

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Thursday, 17 May 2012 22:11 (2 years ago) Permalink

y'all got me off work on monday, thx B-)

J0rdan S., Thursday, 17 May 2012 22:16 (2 years ago) Permalink

np

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Thursday, 17 May 2012 22:24 (2 years ago) Permalink

yo if i wind up going tomorrow like i'm tryin to trust all of the internet will hear about it

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Thursday, 17 May 2012 22:24 (2 years ago) Permalink

i'm a nerd but this gave me goosebumps

https://twitter.com/#!/kgosztola/status/203273043802464256

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Thursday, 17 May 2012 23:58 (2 years ago) Permalink

Police Preemptively Raid Apartment & Arrest Activists Ahead of NATO Summit

…Police broke down a door to access a 6-unit apartment building near 32nd & Morgan Streets without a search warrant. Police entered an apartment with guns drawn and tackled one of the tenants to the floor in his kitchen. Two tenants were handcuffed for more than 2 hours in their living room while police searched their apartment and a neighboring unit, repeatedly calling one of the tenants a “Commie faggot.”

http://dissenter.firedoglake.com/2012/05/17/police-preemptively-raid-apartment-arrest-activists-ahead-of-nato-summit/?utm_medium=twitter&utm_source=twitterfeed

Chris S, Friday, 18 May 2012 00:16 (2 years ago) Permalink

(if anything this seems like an elitist way of thinking, since it shruggingly accepts that not everyone is gonna be a scholar. but scholars can't revolt by themselves.)

I think this is correct.

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Friday, 18 May 2012 00:57 (2 years ago) Permalink

this is kind of interesting

http://www.blogtalkradio.com/occupydclive/2012/05/18/voices-of-the-99-like-it-is-w-robert-stephens

my boy is hosting his radio show trying to talk about big picture organizing and strategy stuff, and this dude from oakland calls in and talks about the cops for 10 minutes.

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Friday, 18 May 2012 01:24 (2 years ago) Permalink

https://www.wepay.com/donations/the-clown-bloq

love this v much

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Friday, 18 May 2012 02:39 (2 years ago) Permalink

found the article

Roger Barfing (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 18 May 2012 15:56 (2 years ago) Permalink

this is kind of interesting

http://www.blogtalkradio.com/occupydclive/2012/05/18/voices-of-the-99-like-it-is-w-robert-stephens

my boy is hosting his radio show trying to talk about big picture organizing and strategy stuff, and this dude from oakland calls in and talks about the cops for 10 minutes.
--BIG HOOS aka the steendriver

Btw wanna be clear that this is "interesting" just in the sense that it reveals how focuses in certain areas tend to perpetuate themselves.

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Friday, 18 May 2012 16:04 (2 years ago) Permalink

rally in the loop:

https://twitter.com/#!/OccupyChicago/status/203556607337050113

Steve Youngblood (dan m), Friday, 18 May 2012 19:42 (2 years ago) Permalink

didn't get the ride i was hoping for, but i'll be goin ham on my full-situational-awareness twitter game all weekend so plz feel free to follow along @hoosteen

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Friday, 18 May 2012 22:10 (2 years ago) Permalink

also talking nato all night tonight on the radio show w/interview w/folks on the ground

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Friday, 18 May 2012 22:19 (2 years ago) Permalink

vof99.org at 9 eastern time

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Friday, 18 May 2012 22:19 (2 years ago) Permalink

Hearing reports of a police van driving through a crowd of protesters, injuring at least one person.

Steve Youngblood (dan m), Sunday, 20 May 2012 03:33 (2 years ago) Permalink

i looked at that website hoos but don't you realize we're going to need those predator drones for the war on drugs?

the late great, Sunday, 20 May 2012 03:59 (2 years ago) Permalink

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Sunday, 20 May 2012 04:30 (2 years ago) Permalink

xp obv

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Sunday, 20 May 2012 04:30 (2 years ago) Permalink

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Sunday, 20 May 2012 04:32 (2 years ago) Permalink

btw free the microbrew 3

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Sunday, 20 May 2012 04:34 (2 years ago) Permalink

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Sunday, 20 May 2012 04:36 (2 years ago) Permalink

still trying to sift wheat from chaff on the nato3

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Sunday, 20 May 2012 04:53 (2 years ago) Permalink

separate wheat from chaff

whatever

i don't know what the fuck you do with wheat and chaff

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Sunday, 20 May 2012 04:53 (2 years ago) Permalink

a car full of livestreamers got pulled over and ordered out of vehicle, guns drawn

tim p is crying in panic on his livestream, he's convinced if they go back to their crash pad to get their things they'll be arrested

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Sunday, 20 May 2012 04:57 (2 years ago) Permalink

"we learned a little while ago that our apartment was raided while we were doing coverage of actions, and on our way back there we were surrounded by police cars, cpd emerged guns drawn and ordered us out of the vehicle"

tim trying to figure out if its safe to go home or if they'll all be arrested with, say, empty bottles in the house as evidence.

http://www.ustream.tv/timcast

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Sunday, 20 May 2012 05:01 (2 years ago) Permalink

on livestream (which was running at the time) cpd heard saying "we found them" as they approach vehicle. streamer asks "why are we being stopped," cop answers "you'll find out."

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Sunday, 20 May 2012 05:02 (2 years ago) Permalink

video of the cpd van hitting dude btw, caught on livestream

http://t.co/FU1b7I9U

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Sunday, 20 May 2012 05:03 (2 years ago) Permalink

Chicago police had begun investigating the men as early as May 1, using information purportedly supplied by two informants whom the suspects believed were fellow Occupy backers named Moe and Nadia.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/ct-met-hd-nato-chicago-arrests-0520-20120520,0,7496291.story

Moe

curmudgeon, Sunday, 20 May 2012 05:12 (2 years ago) Permalink

occ chicago girl "i fucking ~live~ here. the cops do this to me in ~my~ city? for taking videos at protests?"

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Sunday, 20 May 2012 05:21 (2 years ago) Permalink

fuckin RNC all over again xp

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Sunday, 20 May 2012 05:23 (2 years ago) Permalink

pre-RNC '08 there was a raid, similar charges, eventually downgraded to something like "conspiracy to incite a riot" iirc, but not before VIOLENT ANARCHISTS had been the headline for the duration of the RNC

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Sunday, 20 May 2012 05:24 (2 years ago) Permalink

The Galway one got closed down at 4.30am at the beginning of the week, think that might have been about the last one still standing. Though I think 2 others were shut at pretty much the same time.

Stevolende, Sunday, 20 May 2012 11:50 (2 years ago) Permalink

gonna be fuckin hot in the chi today, whole city seemed on edge yesterday

Steve Youngblood (dan m), Sunday, 20 May 2012 13:41 (2 years ago) Permalink

maybe some of you will find this interesting:
http://montreal.mediacoop.ca/story/quebec-emergency-law-attack-freedom-assembly-and-expression-say-critics/10954

Sébastien, Sunday, 20 May 2012 18:24 (2 years ago) Permalink

definitely. i've been trying to get somebody from CLASSE on my show for the last couple of weeks, i'm down with them. fuck this emergency law.

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Sunday, 20 May 2012 18:36 (2 years ago) Permalink

The Galway one got closed down at 4.30am at the beginning of the week, think that might have been about the last one still standing. Though I think 2 others were shut at pretty much the same time.

― Stevolende, Sunday, May 20, 2012 11:50 AM (6 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

but where is the utility data

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Sunday, 20 May 2012 18:38 (2 years ago) Permalink

bless

if you need to decamp to mpls HOOS I got room

catbus otm (gbx), Sunday, 20 May 2012 20:17 (2 years ago) Permalink


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