The Haunt Of Fear: ILX Top 100 HORROR Movies Poll Results Thread

"When Werner Herzog talked of CHAOS, HOSTILITY and MURDER, he was really just reading aloud from my MASQUERADE BALL Evite!"

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80. NOSFERATU: PHANTOM DER NACHT
Werner Herzog, West Germany, 1979
(226 points, 8 votes)

Based on what little I've seen, it seems to consist of Nosferatu just casually shooting the shit with people and hanging out.
― Darin, Wednesday, June 16, 2010 5:36 PM (1 year ago)

I've soured a bit on Herzog after reading the essay in Granta on the making of Nosferatu. Something like 16,000 rats died miserable deaths in order to get a couple of shots.
― milozauckerman (miloaukerman), Sunday, August 14, 2005 6:52 PM (6 years ago)

I cut duel at the last minute. Glad to see it place.

speaking about director fetishes LOL ... Phantom der Nacht was #10 on my ballot, lol Herzog-stan i be.

it does strike me as weird that jjjusten will strenuously argue against lynch as a horror director and then stan for cremaster 3 tho

started to get bummed that I didn't vote for herzog's nosferatu after the discussion upthread, thx for covering for me guyz

jjj moves in mysterious ways, a pontypool to hate, a rubber to love

herzog's nosferatu doesn't do much for me. kinski's great, and the locations/production design are fantastic, but as a movie, it's kind of inert.

only negative i can think of re Phantom der Nacht: Klaus Kinski may've been the prototype for the dreadful emo-vampire that now holds sway in the hearts of so many teenage girls these days.

p sure that came from columbine

emphasis on "may"

sorry, that sounded glib. i meant that fetishizing/elevating/romanticising death-lite has always been a thing, but its conflation with adolescent ennui is to me a very '90s trope

I'm fine with ghosts, zombies, aliens, stabbers, and stalkers. I just want to have a little time to build up tension, believe on some level in the impending terro--enough to sustain it through the shock boo moments--and not be handed some key that explains everything.

Like, Alien would have sucked if it was the exact same movie, but there was some guy in the end who was all I made this in my lab and summoned you here to find it because humanity is a dick

there are exceptions to the unexplained. obv there is no one metric by witch to judge any genre

goth predates the 90s, remy

I love rubber! But is suffers from some of the same problems as pontypool.

i voted for "duel" pretty high on my ballot - it's so bare-bones/no-nonsense. talk about horror movies without a mythology/explanation, the whole story is just "protagonist pisses off antagonist, antagonist tries to get unproportional revenge." i love it.

man you guys really don't like talking about the actual movies that are placing huh

also really like that you don't see the "bad guy" in duel at all

n/a, remind me -- how did the protagonist piss off truck driver? Did he cut him off or something?

(except his boots i think)

yeah iirc he cuts him off

apparently (per wikipedia) he just passes the trucker a couple of times?

So it's almost like he doesn't really piss him off, and more like the truck driver just chooses him at random to fuck with? Which is even better.

I voted for OG Nosferatu but not Herzog's. I was trying to avoid too many instances of both a movie and its remake on my ballot.

Herzog's "Nosferatu" blew me away the first time I saw i, due in large part to the Popol Vuh score. One of the most hard-hitting moments was the long shot of the ship with the music just sort of droning on in the bleakest fashion; it seemed so profound and hopeless.

apparently (per wikipedia) he just passes the trucker a couple of times?

yeah, that's it as far as i remember.

the same wikipedia entry says the truck has multiple license plates on it which spielberg apparently meant as a subtle suggestion that the trucker had randomly killed people in other states

duel is just the facts. the facts being this guy FOR NO REASON will fuck with you WHEREVER YOU GO until he ENDING SPOILER drives off a cliff

my favorite scene is MASSIVE SPOILER the panic at the school bus, followed up by the kindly assist form the deranged stalker truck. WHO'S IN YOUR HEAD NOW MUSTACHE GUY WITH BRIEFCASE?

The recent Reverse Shot essay on Duel is really, really, good: http://reverseshot.com/article/duel

Also the really long take of the ship pulling up to the dock was super great

goth predates the 90s, remy

― Roger Barfing (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, May 17, 2012 10:42 AM (8 minutes ago)

no wait what

Herzog's "Nosferatu" blew me away the first time I saw i, due in large part to the Popol Vuh score. One of the most hard-hitting moments was the long shot of the ship with the music just sort of droning on in the bleakest fashion; it seemed so profound and hopeless.

― a parker full of poseys (Stevie D(eux)), Thursday, May 17, 2012 12:48 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark

The combination of music (which I love, obvs), Isabelle Adjani (who looks AMAZING in this movie) and sympathetic vampyr Kinski -- the only similarly potent cocktail for me is Wicker Man.

yeah, herzog's got imagery and atmosphere in spades, can't deny. just doesn't move me otherwise.

herzog's nosferatu, that is

Like, Alien would have sucked if it was the exact same movie, but there was some guy in the end who was all I made this in my lab and summoned you here to find it because humanity is a dick

Yeah, exactly. Leave all of the unnecessary explaining and backstory-filling until the shitty sequels.

kinski is to emo vampires what rites of spring is to emo rock

the same wikipedia entry says the truck has multiple license plates on it which spielberg apparently meant as a subtle suggestion that the trucker had randomly killed people in other states

that's weird. up until the late 70s, long-haul trucks had to have a seperate license plate for each state in which they typically traveled. nothing particularly sinister about it.

For the record, and so it is known -- I am not a fan of sexy vampire lit or movies outside of Nosferatu. Crap is crap and Herzog's Nosferatu is not crap.

but there was some guy in the end who was all I made this in my lab and summoned you here to find it because humanity is a dick

afaict they're making this movie - lucky us!

I remember reading about the making of this & how Spielberg was basically driven crazy (ha) by walls & walls of storyboards, because the movie was essentially all storyboards. Script was probably 25 pages long.

Pls note -- 8 votes, 226 points
high passion rating for arty vampyr

afaict they're making this movie - lucky us!

yeah, I am strenuously hoping for some angle that is not this

i prefer the herzog nosferatu to the OG Murnau version b/c i saw a really shitty print of the Murnau Nosferatu (on Netflix) w/ a really inappropriate score. i would jump for a chance to see a decent print of the Murnau version in a theater, preferably w/ a good matching score, before i pass final judgment on it.

my comments about liking expressionist-style horror films over more "realist" ones notwithstanding, what sells the Herzog version is the idea of a Klaus Kinski-style vampire being set loose in a real-looking Romanian gypsy village or real-looking German/Dutch town to unleash real-looking havoc (all of those rats and corpses!)

Now that I'm thinking about it, man, so many movies fuck up vampires so badly. I re-watched the Frank Langella "Dracula" recently and it had so much potential and just ended up so grrrrrr.

THERE IS A CAR CHASE IN THAT FRIGGING MOVIE. WHY???

With each passing movie revealed, I get nervous the next one's gonna be The Human Centipede. The higher we get, the higher go the nerves.

With each passing movie revealed, I get nervous the next one's gonna be The Human Centipede. The higher we get, the higher go the nerves.

lol it's like the napoleon dynamite of horror movies!!!

with more segments

Would watch a version with Napoleon, Kip and Pedro sewn together. In that order.

"These two DEAD RINGERS put the DEAD in DEAD RINGERS! And the RINGERS too, they put the RINGERS in DEAD RINGERS! And they sure solve that pesky RING around the COLLAR ... you know, down there. THAT collar!"

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79. DEAD RINGERS
David Cronenberg, Canada, 1988
(228 points, 8 votes)

I always get dead ringers confused with raising cain for a moment.
― RJG (RJG), Tuesday, January 28, 2003 5:06 PM (9 years ago)

Dead Ringers is his funniest film! Also: Genevieve Bujold is hawt.
― Hell is other people. In an ILE film forum. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, November 11, 2009 12:35 PM (2 years ago)

will never understand the love for Dead Ringers. someone offer a defense of this terminally boring, one-trick movie
― a triumph in high-tech nipple obfuscation (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, December 9, 2009 6:05 PM (2 years ago)

Meh. Recently realized I own this on VHS. Maybe I'll give it another shot.

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