Sisters of Mercy - Classic or Dud

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I loved it when all they did was revamping their early hits with their overblown 90's sound, e.g. Alice 1992.

Baaderoni (Fabfunk), Thursday, 5 August 2004 08:31 (nineteen years ago) link

how can it be dud with lyrics such as "25 whores in the room next door"!!!!!!!!!!

ken c (ken c), Thursday, 5 August 2004 10:01 (nineteen years ago) link

Fuck you Wayne, I have a dalek.

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aldo_cowpat (aldo_cowpat), Thursday, 5 August 2004 10:05 (nineteen years ago) link

Have you got a facial hair thing going on in that dalek photo? Is that so you can scratch your beard instead of your chin when you go all arthouse?
:-P

OTM re pre-Wayne era Sisters, though there are still a few good tracks to be found during and after Wayne. That version of 'Sugar Baby Love' I grabbed off your slsk roxorz, not so sure about 'He's got the whole world in his hands' though...

Onimo (GerryNemo), Thursday, 5 August 2004 12:00 (nineteen years ago) link

(yes to the beard - are you not in work, btw? x-post obv)

To be fair, Mr E does say before it that you'll all hate it.

OK, I may have overstated slightly the shiteness off the Wayne era and beyond, but decent tracks are few and far between. I've never rated Marian, btw.

Eldritch + Steinman should = genius, instead = quite good.

aldo_cowpat (aldo_cowpat), Thursday, 5 August 2004 12:23 (nineteen years ago) link

"working from home" :-P (getting as much work done as Andrew Eldritch has in the last decade)

Onimo (GerryNemo), Thursday, 5 August 2004 12:34 (nineteen years ago) link

Talking of work Eldritch has done in the last decade, has anybody ever managed to get hold of either of the techno albums he put out pseudonymously while still under contract to East/West?

And is the SSV album that bad? I've never managed to find it anywhere.

aldo_cowpat (aldo_cowpat), Thursday, 5 August 2004 12:44 (nineteen years ago) link

I heard it once.....not really woth seeking out, actually.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Thursday, 5 August 2004 13:42 (nineteen years ago) link

Did those techno albums ever exist?

Siegbran (eofor), Thursday, 5 August 2004 13:55 (nineteen years ago) link

Re SSV:

http://www.thesistersofmercy.com/gen/ressv.htm

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Thursday, 5 August 2004 14:02 (nineteen years ago) link

Man, I LOVED "This Corrosion" in high school.

Naive Teen Idol (Naive Teen Idol), Thursday, 5 August 2004 14:56 (nineteen years ago) link

Did those techno albums ever exist?

Yeah, I'm with Siegbran there -- there were a number of albums that Merciful Release put out in the early nineties that were non-SOM, but none of them seemed to be a guise for the man himself.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 5 August 2004 14:58 (nineteen years ago) link

From this page on the offical website:

In regards to new material and you personally - the last thing I am aware of you ‘releasing’ was some remixes for Die Krupps in 1994. What are you up to lately? Anything new since then - or in the works? Rumour has it that you’ve produced a couple of techno albums under various pseudonyms - any truth to this?

You are very well-informed. That is a rumour I will not deny (although I prefer the description "ambient-pop-industrial-techno hybrid with tunes and intelligence"). Nor would I confirm it if it were true - because rumour has it that I actually performed the albums in question. My contract with East West prevents me from being a featured artist in any other arena, and East West are prepared to spend a lot of money in court to uphold their belief that the contract is still in force. Even if I had a pathological need to openly perform on records, I would need an awful lot of money to assert my freedom. I have neither, so it's not much of an issue.

Actually, East West are preparing to spend a lot of money in court to uphold their belief that I should be forced to make records for them. Most labels give up when the artist has been on strike for four years or so. East West are so desperate that they won't give up ...after seven years. That really is desperate.

That sounds like a "yes, it's true but I can't legally say so" to me.

aldo_cowpat (aldo_cowpat), Thursday, 5 August 2004 15:17 (nineteen years ago) link

It would be more helpful to say "If I had made such records they would be called ... and ... and would be available on ... records."

Onimo (GerryNemo), Thursday, 5 August 2004 16:05 (nineteen years ago) link

It is quite possible "Black Planet" is the best LA song ever.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 5 August 2004 17:04 (nineteen years ago) link

It is quite possible "Black Planet" is the best any song ever.

Curt1s St3ph3ns, Thursday, 5 August 2004 22:04 (nineteen years ago) link

seven months pass...
hahahahahahah what a great band!!

teeny (teeny), Thursday, 24 March 2005 21:54 (nineteen years ago) link

I love love love my Some Girls Wander By Mistake early singles comp CD. I love the earliest stuff, when Andrew sounded like a dark teen but with his voice breaking.. "The Damage Done".

I just can't get into any of the studio albums thereafter... although, yeah, I do like "This Corrosion" for its goth campiness, and can't get it out of my head, because it was my first exposure to the band, via that video...(oooh yeah, shore more pits, Patricia.. "Sing!", girl)

donut debonair (donut), Thursday, 24 March 2005 22:25 (nineteen years ago) link

I *love* the first album, but the later stuff left me cold (as I'm sure it was meant to!).

Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Thursday, 24 March 2005 22:28 (nineteen years ago) link

I was fucking RAISED on Floodland. It's one of the first albums I remember hearing, and goddamn it, I need to get a copy of it for myself. It creeped me out so wonderfully as a little four-year-old.

What we want? Sex with T.V. stars! What you want? Ian Riese-Moraine! (Eastern Ma, Thursday, 24 March 2005 23:04 (nineteen years ago) link

I remember hearing stories back in the early 80s about Eldritch wandering (by mistake?) the streets of (Leeds? Sheffield?) in his floppy hat and black cape, frightening children and small dogs. Doesn't he speak like, six or seven languages, and fluently? The man is a bone fide mad genius, and the Sisters are undoubtedly Classic. Even Vision Thing has its moments: "INCOMIIIIIIIIINNNGGG, ha ha...

David A. (Davant), Thursday, 24 March 2005 23:35 (nineteen years ago) link

Sisters should be given credit for trying to put together an atypical tour... with Public Enemy (!!) as co-headliners (albeit not sharing the same stage, I'd doubt). P.E. agreed to it. This was back in 1989 or 1990 or something like that...?

Unfortunately, the promoters pulled the entire tour -- probably due to poor ticket sales -- but I remember Eldritch saying something about how promoters were afraid to take risks on line-ups that would cross-pollinate audiences from very different musical territories, etc..

and then a year or so later, along came the first Lollapalooza.

(Not saying a Sisters/Public Enemy tour would be the first atypical tour, but I thought it was a cool gesture on both bands' parts to try it.)

donut debonair (donut), Thursday, 24 March 2005 23:52 (nineteen years ago) link

Sisters should be given credit for trying to put together an atypical tour... with Public Enemy (!!) as co-headliners (albeit not sharing the same stage, I'd doubt). P.E. agreed to it. This was back in 1989 or 1990 or something like that...?

...with Gang of Four as openers.I saw it roll through Radio City Music Hall. Andy came out for the encore wearing a PE baseball jersey, which was dead cool, i thought.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Friday, 25 March 2005 00:24 (nineteen years ago) link

Ah, see, I didn't know some dates actually happened! But I guess the full North American tour didn't...(I know it didn't reach the west coast, but we all definitely heard about it, and were pissed when we found out about the cancellation.)

donut debonair (donut), Friday, 25 March 2005 01:11 (nineteen years ago) link

ha, i saw public enemy open for U2... in the ASTRODOME. also on the bill? big audio dynamite!

fortunate hazel (f. hazel), Friday, 25 March 2005 05:28 (nineteen years ago) link

Sisters were cool as shit back in the eighties but I'm not so sure they've aged well. I loved everything up until Floodland, but about 2 years ago I was over at a friend's house and noticed he had some old Sisters thing or other (might have been a bootleg now that I think about it) and I was like "oh! Look at this! I haven't heard them in a long time, let's put this on." So we put it on, but soon enough we were both like "hmm...this isn't so exciting let's put on something else"

I just can't summon up a desire to listen to them now, although that Sisterhood record was extraordinary and I wouldn't mind hearing that again at all.

Bimble... (Bimble...), Friday, 25 March 2005 05:38 (nineteen years ago) link

I can't say I've listened to Vision Thing much in the past ten years (though i do occaissionally play "Ribbons"). I still love First and Last and Always. I can't imagine ever getting bored of "Marian". While everyone prattles on and on about how Guns'n'Roses have let them down by not delivering Chinese Demoracy, hasn't Made Glorious Summer (the purported title of the supposedly impending Sisters album) trumped it in the delay department?

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Friday, 25 March 2005 05:43 (nineteen years ago) link

It still has another 12 years to go to beat Smile. In 2017, THEN we can call Made Glorious Summer the king of the delayed albums.

donut debonair (donut), Friday, 25 March 2005 05:47 (nineteen years ago) link

Sorry, 22 years! Not 12! 2027, mofo.

donut debonair (donut), Friday, 25 March 2005 05:48 (nineteen years ago) link

Funny - Marian is the one song that sticks out in my mind from that album...

The Reptile House record was my favourite, if I recall correctly, although Temple of Love 12" really blew my mind when I first heard it.

Bimble... (Bimble...), Friday, 25 March 2005 05:57 (nineteen years ago) link

SOME DAY.. SOME DAY.. SOME DAY..

DOMINION!

classic, obv

daria g (daria g), Friday, 25 March 2005 06:08 (nineteen years ago) link

This Corrosion got old quick, though (maybe it was just seeing that video over and over and over and over and over on 120 Min.). I never took to Floodland as an album. Haven't heard Vision Thing, didn't even know it existed, although something intuitive told me they must have recorded something since then.

Does anyone remember James Ray & The Performance?

Bimble... (Bimble...), Friday, 25 March 2005 06:21 (nineteen years ago) link

I have a James Ray Gangwar single.....that's largely unlistenable.


For me, when the Sisters ceased being a "band" per se and just became Andrew and whomever else he happened to have recently befriended, I sort've lost interest a bit. Once Wayne and Craig left, they took much of the mystique with them (only to squander it in a very silly fashion in the Mission who, I must confess, I was a rather large fan of for a while).

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Friday, 25 March 2005 06:39 (nineteen years ago) link

I really went ape over the first Mission 12" when it came out, still have it in fact, although not with me of course. Whatever their next release was after that was disappointing. I remember buying the album later on because of seeing a video, but none of it stuck with me unfortunately.

Bimble... (Bimble...), Friday, 25 March 2005 06:49 (nineteen years ago) link

Classic, just don't see them live...lip singing and shit.

BeeOK (boo radley), Friday, 25 March 2005 10:04 (nineteen years ago) link

"This Corrosion" didn't get old quick if you never saw the video!

David A. (Davant), Friday, 25 March 2005 10:24 (nineteen years ago) link

Does anyone remember James Ray & The Performance?

Most of what James Ray did was sub-Sisters piss but Texas is a fine single and is pretty much everything you should ever own by him (says the guy with Gangwar albums stagnating around here somewhere).

I went to see them a Bath Moles around 1991/2 just to convince myself James Ray wasn't just a guise under which Eldritch could release any crap he wanted. 16 people turned up, it was shite.

Onimo (GerryNemo), Friday, 25 March 2005 10:37 (nineteen years ago) link

Aye, Texas is awesome. The followup single (Mexican Sundown Blues?) is pretty good as well.

I stand by what I said upthread though, it was all downhill after Adrenochrome.

aldo_cowpat (aldo_cowpat), Friday, 25 March 2005 10:44 (nineteen years ago) link

I saw that This Corrosion video 56478675 times on 120 Minutes and still don't remember how the song goes at all.

AaronHz (AaronHz), Friday, 25 March 2005 10:54 (nineteen years ago) link

"For me, when the Sisters ceased being a "band" per se and just became Andrew and whomever else he happened to have recently befriended, I sort've lost interest a bit."


Actually, that's when I start loving them.

I the fake-rock Steinman stuff and only like the I'm-too-gloomy-for-my-leathers gothy stuff.

Ian in Brooklyn, Friday, 25 March 2005 13:54 (nineteen years ago) link

Er--the's "I love", not some weitd syntax conflation of rasta and goth.

Ian in Brooklyn, Friday, 25 March 2005 13:55 (nineteen years ago) link

"This Corrosion" didn't get old quick if you never saw the video!

I didn't see the video until way after the fact.....and it's embarassing (though not as embarassing as the Mission's clip for "Stay with Me", which -- I believe -- was intended to be silly and over the top). Not sure if "This Corrosion" is supposed to be taken seriousy or not as a video, but it was dire.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Friday, 25 March 2005 20:18 (nineteen years ago) link

I actually can't think of a single Sisters-related thing that I dislike right now at this moment. Oh, except for "Doctor Jeep".

Their version of "Gimme Shelter" is beyond outstanding.

The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Friday, 25 March 2005 20:49 (nineteen years ago) link

Yeah, "Doctor Jeep" is bad. I also was never a huge fan of "More". Good video, tho'.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Saturday, 26 March 2005 07:24 (nineteen years ago) link

I heard their version of Gimme Shelter before I heard the original. I thought it was kindof strange, didn't really understand it. I bet if I'd heard the original first it would have made more sense.

Bimble... (Bimble...), Saturday, 26 March 2005 07:32 (nineteen years ago) link

You should all know that Matos and I earlier tonight had dinner with "More" bellowing throughout the pub. This is the power that this thread has.

donut debonair (donut), Saturday, 26 March 2005 07:34 (nineteen years ago) link

"AND I NEED ALL THE LOVE I CAN GET..."

"pass the salt."

"..AND I NEED ALL THE LOVE THAT I CAN'T GET TOO!"

"Good fries, these!"

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Saturday, 26 March 2005 07:36 (nineteen years ago) link

Oh my gosh.... "ALICE"..."TEMPLE OF LOVE"...

That's all I need (oh-- and "MARIAN")...


a very drunk-at-5:30 a.m. CLASSIC

Jay Vee (Manon_70), Saturday, 26 March 2005 10:44 (nineteen years ago) link

Classic all the way. The Sisters were *cough* the very first gig I went to without relatives / older friends / siblings etc.

Although the Reading Festival appearance with Tony James that someone else alluded to above, when they came back out and did a camped up version of 'He's Got The Whole World In His Hands' was one the worst five minutes I've ever stood through at a live gig.

Si Carter (Si Carter), Saturday, 26 March 2005 17:17 (nineteen years ago) link

There are a lot of bad 'Comfortably Numb' covers out there, but I do have a fondness for Eldritch marrying it with 'Some Kind Of Stranger'.

Edward Bax (EdBax), Sunday, 27 March 2005 02:16 (nineteen years ago) link

actually, i think it was the Astoria (Harehills, and a very ballroom type of place), it could have been the gig that was recorded for Death Of Everything
in fact, i do remember going, cos i went with friends.

mark e, Friday, 23 April 2021 07:57 (three years ago) link

two years pass...

Dylan sacked on stage on Saturday. Lots of speculation that the end is imminent, and they may not even see out the currently booked shows.

Hello I'm shitty gatsworth (aldo), Monday, 25 September 2023 21:43 (seven months ago) link

source??

c u (crüt), Monday, 25 September 2023 23:41 (seven months ago) link

read about the two Roundhouse gigs here - https://www.myheartland.co.uk/viewforum.php?f=37

StanM, Tuesday, 26 September 2023 00:01 (seven months ago) link

(specifically, starting on page 6 of the 22nd September show)

StanM, Tuesday, 26 September 2023 00:08 (seven months ago) link

thanks!

c u (crüt), Tuesday, 26 September 2023 00:56 (seven months ago) link

Dylan's not been seen since Saturday. Sunday & today (forum members are live posting during the Amsterdam show): Ben (guitar & vocals), Chris (nurse/keyboard/drum machine), Andrew (croaking)

StanM, Tuesday, 26 September 2023 19:02 (seven months ago) link

Bauhaus::Sisters of Mercy
Frank Sinatra::Nancy Sinatra

immodesty blaise (jimbeaux), Wednesday, 27 September 2023 00:41 (seven months ago) link

Uh, I think you’re going to need to expand a little on that analogy.

Doctor Madame Frances Experimento, LLC", Wednesday, 27 September 2023 01:47 (seven months ago) link

I thought it was pretty well self-contained.

immodesty blaise (jimbeaux), Wednesday, 27 September 2023 01:52 (seven months ago) link

So like, Bauhaus are the Sisters' dad, but the Sisters are more underrated and do great duets? Is Terri Nunn Lee Hazlewood?

Doctor Madame Frances Experimento, LLC", Wednesday, 27 September 2023 12:53 (seven months ago) link

Damn, now i really want to hear Frank Sinatra singing Bela Lugosi

blazin' squab (NickB), Wednesday, 27 September 2023 14:23 (seven months ago) link

The Sisters had a fruitful collaboration with Jim Steinman, so maybe the analogy works?

deep wubs and tribral rhythms (Boring, Maryland), Wednesday, 27 September 2023 15:12 (seven months ago) link

I want to be a part of it, undead undead

Guayaquil (eephus!), Wednesday, 27 September 2023 15:16 (seven months ago) link

Hahaha!

blazin' squab (NickB), Wednesday, 27 September 2023 16:17 (seven months ago) link

I can imagine Andrew Eldritch singing "Some Velvet Morning" but only the Lee Hazlewood parts

c u (crüt), Wednesday, 27 September 2023 16:32 (seven months ago) link


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