Rolling Teenpop 2007 Thread

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Addressed to God at the end of their respective albums, that is. Not at the end of the universe. (Just wanted to make that clear.)

Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Thursday, 4 January 2007 18:00 (7 years ago) Permalink

Xtina is hardly a standard-bearer for nonearnestness.

Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Thursday, 4 January 2007 18:02 (7 years ago) Permalink

I like the songs I've heard from the upcoming Nickelodeon series "The Naked Brothers Band." I'm sure the show will be butt-ugly, but the singer really belts it out!

Haikunym (Haikunym), Thursday, 4 January 2007 18:03 (7 years ago) Permalink

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9G7Q-hJC2jw

Haikunym (Haikunym), Thursday, 4 January 2007 18:05 (7 years ago) Permalink

i'm surprised not to have seen anything round these parts about the "high school musical" phenomenomena.

CharlieNo4 (Charlie), Thursday, 4 January 2007 18:13 (7 years ago) Permalink

it's because there are boys in it

Haikunym (Haikunym), Thursday, 4 January 2007 18:15 (7 years ago) Permalink

Lead Naked Bro seems to have listened to Lil Chris. And he (or his songwriter) has probably listened to '60s Neil Diamond, as well.

Here's the Naked Brothers Band site on Nickelodeon. Two good songs out of four. "Cra-a-a-a-azy car, leads me nowhere."

Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Thursday, 4 January 2007 18:23 (7 years ago) Permalink

Actually, it's "to lead me nowhere." Actually, that's what it's for.

Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Thursday, 4 January 2007 18:28 (7 years ago) Permalink

A listener from eastern Michigan calls in the following question: "Know anything about Tobias Karlsson? He's the producer and the cowriter on all but 2 tracks (incl. the one w/ Max Martin) on Linda Sundblad's 'Oh my God!' (She's cowriter on all the trax). and really, Linda & Tobias crank out more crazy hooks than anyone but Max/Luke, albeit more disco-ier ones."

Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Thursday, 4 January 2007 18:55 (7 years ago) Permalink

First: Thank god ILX is back. Though lj was a decent surrogate, I really love having a flood of stuff to read everyday.

Second: Is Taana Gardner teenpop? Obviously there are arguments why she isn't, but I hear teenpop in her music - and that sense of young exuberance that is especially in vogue in Disney. (btw; Frank, thanks for the recommendation - she's amazing.)

Third: There's a new High School musical out this year, right?

Mordechai Shinefield (Mordy), Thursday, 4 January 2007 19:24 (7 years ago) Permalink

I don't think Taana Gardner was ever considered teenpop. Her fan support was from the New York dance-club scene. This wouldn't have prevented NY area teens c. 1979-1982 from listening to her, using "Heartbeat" on their hip-hop tracks, etc.

Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Thursday, 4 January 2007 20:05 (7 years ago) Permalink

What teens (and younger) among my MySpace friends have playing on their profile pages:

Kill Hannah "I Love You to Death"
Cartoons (?) "Witch Doctor"
Turtles "Happy Together"
Simple Minds "Don't You Forget About Me"
Cascada "Everytime We Touch"
Melody Club "Baby"
Richard Hell & The Voidoids "Blank Generation"
Paula DeAndra "Walk Away"
One had her song deleted by artist, but has McFly pics as her wallpaper (she's from Denver)
One just posted the lyrics to Evanescence's "Immortal" in a MySpace bulletin
One just posted how unhappy she was to be too young to go to the Fall Out Boys show.

Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Thursday, 4 January 2007 20:06 (7 years ago) Permalink

Fall Out Boys = Fall Out Boy

Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Thursday, 4 January 2007 20:07 (7 years ago) Permalink

there is a new video game that lets you do karaoke at home and in the commercial they use a cover of "Friday I'm in Love" and my kids went around singing that song so we spent a pleasant hour looking up old Cure videos on YouTube and man was that "Friday" video awesome and man do my kids love Robert's hair

Haikunym (Haikunym), Thursday, 4 January 2007 20:11 (7 years ago) Permalink

Yeah, I remember when that song came out. We at Radio On kept making all these Robinson Crusoe jokes.

Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Thursday, 4 January 2007 20:24 (7 years ago) Permalink

I guess Ashlee could go the Pink route and record something with an approved rock person, let that record fail, then regroup with an interesting person which will cause wags to reconsider her work in light-ironic-retro light and call it a return to form.

Whatver--if she doesn't exnay te tabloid thing, she's fucked.

Grey, Ian (IanBrooklyn), Thursday, 4 January 2007 21:06 (7 years ago) Permalink

Skye Sweetnam seems to be doing it at once: she reports that she's got forthcoming tracks with the very same Approved Rock Person and a forthcoming track w/ very same subsequent Interesting Persons (though rather than referring to them by those monikers she calls them Tim and Max and Luke).

Btw, Luke hasn't scored a U.S. hit since "Behind These Hazel Eyes," though he's produced and co-written a number of great tracks (and some mediocrities and duds, too).

Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Thursday, 4 January 2007 21:43 (7 years ago) Permalink

Btw: Fox canceled The O.C. Which is one of the odder examples of Teenpop (where the plots, characters, stories are teenpop, but the music is indie or indie-derivative). Among teens I spoke to 2-3 years ago, The O.C. was mostly responsible for their listening habits. Which is why a friend has Modest Mouse immediately following Ashley Simpson on her iPod. Canceling The O.C. is a huge shame though, because I started watching again this year (after a 2 year hiatus from the show) and it was even better than I remembered it during the first season. But the fatality is probably due to the stars getting older - no longer being relatable (Summer had a pregnancy scare in the last episode, and Seth proposed to her -- this isn't teenpop stuff, unless you're counting DeGrassi as teenpop. But DeGrassi has always seemed a little too edgy to me to be completely teen'pop' vis-a-vis it definitely being teen but no definitely being pop. And The O.C. is no longer teen either - even if it may still be pop).

So where do those indie influences go?

Also -- Meg & Dia placed very high in Absolutepunk polls for 2006. AP is more open-minded than AlternativePress forums, but still, co-opting that album as a punk album is a stretch-and-a-half. So maybe there's a reverse influence we haven't noticed. Last year, the intro to this forum was talking about how pop-punk (like Bowling for Soup) was becoming teenpop. But what I missed was that pop was becoming pop-punk was becoming punk. (And now I see Absolutepunk.net posted the new Modest Mouse single, which just confuses everything.)

Mordechai Shinefield (Mordy), Thursday, 4 January 2007 21:45 (7 years ago) Permalink

The O.C. and Veronica Mars are interesting examples of peddling their music directors' hipster cred via teen drama fronts. With Mars--which I love, love, love--it's so extreme as to seem like stealth Pitchfork indoctrination.

Looking forward to what Skye comes up with.

Grey, Ian (IanBrooklyn), Thursday, 4 January 2007 22:22 (7 years ago) Permalink

Whatver--if she doesn't exnay te tabloid thing, she's fucked.

Impossible, because she's been trying to ixnay the tabloid thing. In fact, she's arguably been less successful by resisting them than Lindsay, who has for better or worse thrown herself into it and at least topped year-end lists for "Most Annoying" or whatever else. I mean, Lindsay could even go INDIE CRED at this point if she wanted to (which she very well might do with her film career). Ashlee will probably never have cred, since by all rights she should already have it (how much more "rock" could Ashlee even go?)

Unless you consider getting a nosejob "asking for it" in terms of tabloid coverage, I see Ashlee as a fairly resistant victim of tabloid culture who in her professional life (e.g. leading role in Chicago in London) is trying to gain "credibility" and very clearly shuns tabloid coverage (she never answers questions about the n'job).

nameom (nameom), Thursday, 4 January 2007 22:31 (7 years ago) Permalink

I think One Tree Hill is the only major teen show that has a soundtrack which actually reflects what teenagers listen to. OTH only cares about appealing to teenagers, it was never meant to be critically acclaimed or anything, and the music they feature matches that. In the 3rd season they even had a character briefly dating Pete Wentz! It is quite indie/authentic, with even less non-guitar songs than The OC, but it's teen indie, not adult indie.

As for UK teenpop, we have Lil Chris where Sweden has Amy Diamond and I think that pretty much says it all. Even teenage popstars have to get Jo Whiley's permission these days. I do think there might be a place for a pop group aiming at under-12s though, as High School Musical has been very successful here, and hideous childrens TV show theme songs (namely LazyTown, which I hadn't even heard of before I saw the music video) can still go top 5. I think Chipz should be launched here!

Jessica P (Jessica P), Friday, 5 January 2007 01:38 (7 years ago) Permalink

I only watch one TV show and its soundtrack is mostly Led Zeppellin et al, however, even Supernatural did deign to put 'Sugar, We're Going Down' by Fall Out Boy playing on a girl's stereo in a scene in the first series. [tenuous relevancy at very best, I know]

As for UK teenpop, we have Lil Chris where Sweden has Amy Diamond and I think that pretty much says it all. Even teenage popstars have to get Jo Whiley's permission these days. I do think there might be a place for a pop group aiming at under-12s though, as High School Musical has been very successful here, and hideous childrens TV show theme songs (namely LazyTown, which I hadn't even heard of before I saw the music video) can still go top 5. I think Chipz should be launched here!

I was going to say something about Lil Chris, then wondered whether he wasn't really teenpop but pop for older people to think was teen? Either way, I agree wholly about the Whiley Factor. Good god, I hate that woman. Not quite as much as I hate that Sportacus git from Lazytown (which takes over TMF for TWO HOURS every morning) but still.

Hazel Robinson (Moggy), Friday, 5 January 2007 02:06 (7 years ago) Permalink

Veronica Mars isn't really a teenpop show - I'd bet its viewers skew to college age and up. Just like Brick was not a teenpop movie. They're both high-school noir (now college noir in VM's case) - even less teenpop than Degrassi.

Also must give thanks to this thread for making me stop and check out Brie Larson finally - going by all the subcult trappings of her nonmusic activities I bet she won't be making teenpop much longer, for better or worse.

Zoilus (zoilus), Friday, 5 January 2007 02:09 (7 years ago) Permalink

I love the High School Musical songs - that comfortable slightly R&B backing they tend to use now seems inextricably bound to tweenagerness so it feels really natural and organic.

I'd like to see a heightened youth-Musical vibe to teen-pop actually. I was watching Camp again for the umpteenth time last week and my boyfriend pointed out that no-one really tends to put out songs like "Here's Where I Stand" anymore (when did they?). The closest is Christina Aguilera but her big numbers don't grapple with youth in the same way.

I guess I'm asking for more earnestness! Sorry Lex!

Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Friday, 5 January 2007 03:15 (7 years ago) Permalink

I kind of agree that VM isn't teenpop in a certain sense...but like Buffy before it/her, it has this weirdly schizo demographic--actual older teens and grownups who like the metaphore whozits, the later of which explains the indie-esque rock, I suppose. (The same music approach manifested on Buffy, where 'teens' far from the city listened unconvincingly to Cibo Matta.)

Grey, Ian (IanBrooklyn), Friday, 5 January 2007 04:27 (7 years ago) Permalink

But to be blindingly obvious, and to reference Frank's intro, most actual teens don't actually listen to what we're calling teenpop: it's, sort of like I've asserted is the case with VM and Buffy, a matter of two far seperated demos enjoying it--in the case of teenpop, kids under 14 or so and adults who find of value in perhaps more abstract, or at least highly astheticized views of it.

The teens I know here do indeed like, say, MCR, Marilyn Manson, AFI and maybe some emo bands.

Back to blindiningly obvious--when does it stop being teenpop, I mean, especially considering that most of the first wave are all growed up and all? Is it an age, a marketing idea, a concept of an age group or an aesthetic that's temprally bound or, um, what?

Grey, Ian (IanBrooklyn), Friday, 5 January 2007 04:38 (7 years ago) Permalink

As an alternative to the Radio Disney playlists and request lists, here is a list of the videos retired by TRL during 2006 (to be retired, a video has to stay in the top 10 for 10 weeks). So this is songs with videos which were huge hits among teens:

Kelly Clarkson - "Because of You" (January 6, 2006)
Fall Out Boy - "Dance, Dance" (January 17, 2006)
Mariah Carey - "Don't Forget About Us" (February 6, 2006)
Madonna - "Hung Up" (February 6, 2006)
Kelly Clarkson - "Walk Away" (June 1, 2006)
Fall Out Boy - "A Little Less Sixteen Candles, A Little More "Touch Me"" (June 6, 2006)
Red Hot Chili Peppers - "Dani California" (July 10, 2006)
Fort Minor - "Where'd You Go" (July 17, 2006)
Christina Aguilera - "Ain't No Other Man" (September 26, 2006)
Justin Timberlake featuring Timbaland - "SexyBack" (October 10, 2006)
AFI - "Love Like Winter" (December 11, 2006)

Nothing too shocking here, Kelly Clarkson and Fall Out Boy are huge of course, as we all know. A bit surprised to see "Hung Up" and the Chilis here, but whatever, maybe it's just that the videos were great. And what's up with no Fergie-ferg. Screw you kids.

Greg Fanoe (JustFanoe), Friday, 5 January 2007 05:33 (7 years ago) Permalink

Lindsay and Ashlee aren't earnest all the time either, though...in fact, the one Lindsay track that's most egregiously missing from your list -- "I Live for the Day" -- is funny!

it is funny but - like a lot of their earnest material - it's funny precisely because it's over-earnest! and i love it but at heart it's a cathartic rock song which takes more cues from courtney love than anything else lohan has sung. essentially - i am fine with this being a key part of teenpop but it's ALL like this now.

I was going to say something about Lil Chris, then wondered whether he wasn't really teenpop but pop for older people to think was teen?

i think this is correct, he seems pitched very much at an older popjustice demographic. anyway don't get me started on lil fucking chris, everyone i know loves it but it just fills me with horror. more proof that pop has forgotten a key First Principle ie "we dance to disco and we DON'T. LIKE. ROCK."

lex pretend (lex pretend), Friday, 5 January 2007 10:06 (7 years ago) Permalink

m coleman (lovebug starski), Friday, 5 January 2007 12:01 (7 years ago) Permalink

Lex, you're not listening to what we're saying. The rock confessional wave seems to have passed on Radio Disney (Aly & A.J. are the exceptions maybe), and most of what you're getting is High School Musical and Hannah Montana and Jonas Brothers and Jesse McCartney (whom you never didn't get etc. etc. etc.), r&b and dancepop is back in a big way (in fact never left; B5 has been all over Radio Disney for the last two years), many of the Disney troupe played/play in comedies (incl. Aly Michalka), none of the big confessional people other than Michelle Branch and Kelly Clarkson are entirely earnest, and Lindsay and Ashlee have songs that are wildly comic and not unintentially so ("Who Loves You" and "Love Me For Me" are just two examples) and do fun very very well (on "Burning Up" Ashlee chews every piece of scenery she can get her teeth into), if you're insisting that Lindsay is fully 24/7 earnest, then so is every r&b star that I can think of (yes, I can hear the humor in "Ring The Alarm" but then I can hear the humor in "First"), and so on and so on and so on. We even had a discussion last year about humor in Lindsay (who's biggest film hits have been comedies) and humor in teenpop in general, if you care to do a search. (I remember someone wondering why Kelly - unlike the others - couldn't bring the humor of her personality into her music; and of course she has a great gut-laughter line: "There's no light at the end of the tunnel tonight/Just a bridge that I gotta burn," though that was provided by Kara or John.) So, get your head in the game.

Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Friday, 5 January 2007 15:58 (7 years ago) Permalink

Lots of teens listen to indie. Met a 16 year old last year who was carrying a Yo La Tengo poster. (And she was wearing a Morningwood button, so she wasn't exclusively in the indie ghetto. Had "My Humps" as her ringtone.)

Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Friday, 5 January 2007 16:01 (7 years ago) Permalink

Yeah, my 11-year-old is probably more a target of teenpop than any 16-year-old. She likes "High School Musical" and Skye Sweetnam and P!atD and "Crazy" (anyone who doesn't think this is a teenpop song is a nut) and Kelly and H-Duff and La Lohan and Gwen Stefani and Fefe...but she also loves Loretta Lynn and disco and old-timey musicals, and she did her 5th grade project last spring on the connections between 1950s music and today's r&b and rock.

Haikunym (Haikunym), Friday, 5 January 2007 16:07 (7 years ago) Permalink

I'm totally available to perform "Get Your Head In The Game" at any karaoke or tenuously-similar events if it helps Lex to focus.

I must say I don't really understand the rock/pop dichotomy Lex appears to use here much - at least not in relation to teenpop. "U + Ur Hand" is a good example of the murkiness of the divide at the moment: yes, the chorus is the big earnest rock soar, but it's simultaneously the big pop manoeuvre within the song (conversely the "mature" "Nobody Knows" is like Pink's rapprochement with Christina Aguilera).

Of course I'm sure no-one at this thread would be pleased if rocky teenpop came at the expense of stuff like, say, "A Public Affair", but as per Frank I don't think pop is currently so dominated by one idea that this could happen. The success of Fergie and Nelly Furtado last year show this - "Hollaback Girl" has become a pop sub-genre now in the same way that "Sk8ter Boi" became a pop sub-genre in 2003/4.

Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Friday, 5 January 2007 16:13 (7 years ago) Permalink

Luke hasn't scored a U.S. hit since "Behind These Hazel Eyes"

Lady Sovereign's "Love Me Or Hate Me" triumphed on TRL, but this didn't result in radio play; Pink's "U & Ur Hand" got only minor radio action; ditto Paris's "Nothing In This World."

Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Friday, 5 January 2007 18:32 (7 years ago) Permalink

I'm distressed that Gwen's "Wind It Up" isn't getting Disney play. Further evidence that Disney is doing its best to avoid product they don't own.

Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Friday, 5 January 2007 19:32 (7 years ago) Permalink

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Je4nn3 Fuhfuh (Je4nne Fury), Friday, 5 January 2007 19:52 (7 years ago) Permalink

Damnit. The image above would have conveyed that Avril's on a MasterC4rd.

Je4nn3 Fuhfuh (Je4nne Fury), Friday, 5 January 2007 19:52 (7 years ago) Permalink

Maybe Radio Disney thought "Wind It Up" was contrived and annoying!!!

Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Friday, 5 January 2007 20:01 (7 years ago) Permalink

I don't know the extent to which it's still true - we no longer have a Radio Disney station where I live - but one of the things I liked about Radio Disney was that it did seem to be de-emphasizing ugliness and obnoxiousness.

Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Friday, 5 January 2007 20:06 (7 years ago) Permalink

Tim: it's so fucking nice to hear that someone else out there loves Camp as much as I do. (I even voted for its soundtrack in P&J that year!)

Thomas Inskeep (submeat), Friday, 5 January 2007 20:08 (7 years ago) Permalink

Er, that's Tim Finney I'm addressing. (Though maybe you like Camp too, Mr. Ellison, I dunno.)

Thomas Inskeep (submeat), Friday, 5 January 2007 20:09 (7 years ago) Permalink

I love Camp too - it's High School Musical without the sickly sweetness, although I do love HSM for being so sweet & innocent, that's its charm.

Looking up the current TRL voting list, the first act I've found is a teen r'n'b boyband called 2Much. They're similar to B2K, who I know were successful - would we call this teenpop or is it just r'n'b marketed to a younger audience (or perhaps the usual audience, just with singers of their own age)?

Jessica P (Jessica P), Friday, 5 January 2007 20:29 (7 years ago) Permalink

Here's a dopey question - did that Ashley Parker Angel WIT GUITAR album / single go anywhere?

David R. (popshots75`), Friday, 5 January 2007 20:35 (7 years ago) Permalink

I never understood, ever since I read that HSM review that compared the movie to Grease, why people thought HSM was saccharine and sweet. There are a number of parts, like 'Stick to the Status Quo' which show tension, confusion, etcetera. I guess it's because it doesn't openly deal with the neurosis - but I think it's obvious from Disney graduates that something is simmering beneath the shiny gloss other than just happy smiles.

Anyway: I loved Camp.

Mordechai Shinefield (Mordy), Friday, 5 January 2007 21:02 (7 years ago) Permalink

The only I saw of APA was at an Ashlee concert. The crowd went wild for him, but I don't know if this resulted in any airplay. I seem to recall he was pretty big on MTV for a split second, what with the reality show (and debuting "Let U Go" on TRL, I think).

(Wikipedia: Got to #12 on Hot 100 in its second week, stayed in the charts from April to July, "Soundtrack to Your Life" hovered in the 50-ish range.)

nameom (nameom), Friday, 5 January 2007 22:24 (7 years ago) Permalink

HSM just has that general Disney feel, just very inoffensive and family-oriented, which is not a bad thing in my books, just different to Camp. There is tension but that's just part of the story arc. Grease had underlying sexuality and HSM has none of that, but it's sweet in a nice way, it's a positive thing.

Jessica P (Jessica P), Friday, 5 January 2007 22:36 (7 years ago) Permalink

Drake out of Drake & Josh (no idea what it's about but I know Ashley Tisdale's in it) has a single out, kind of Daniel Powter-ish and very boring! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gdXOJyfZDys Anyone know if he's doing well? In a similar vein, what's happened to Teddy Geiger? He was cute, but sounded like a John Mayer tribute act.

Jessica P (Jessica P), Friday, 5 January 2007 22:47 (7 years ago) Permalink

I like how the record label have given Drake an emo patch but made him do AOR instead. Crossover appeal!

Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Friday, 5 January 2007 22:50 (7 years ago) Permalink

Corbin Bleu (Chad from HSM) has a music video too, so presumably a single - it's from a new film called Jump In, but the song (Push It To The Limit) is just a load of nothingness. I find this with a lot of these Disney songs, they sound like an imitation of a genre (in this case r'n'b) without anything distinct or compelling about them. They're the musical equivalent of 10 yr old girls copying what their older sister wears - they may have all the same components for the outfit/song but it pales in comparison to the real thing.

Jessica P (Jessica P), Friday, 5 January 2007 22:59 (7 years ago) Permalink

Hellogoodbye are a band I've been following for a couple of years who should be included in this thread. They've cleverly tagged onto the emo bandwagon but their music is some of the poppiest around. Here In Your Arms (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8bUkxTznujo) seems to be their biggest song and sounds like it was made up for a fake boyband in a film or something like that. They've managed to get really poppy music into the stereos of kids who'd die if they were labelled as pop fans - quite a triumph, I'd say!

Jessica P (Jessica P), Friday, 5 January 2007 23:11 (7 years ago) Permalink

("not to saying" ugh please to ridicule my own garbled diction)

Alex in Baltimore, Monday, 31 December 2007 19:54 (6 years ago) Permalink

OK. Peace. And sorry I was so intemperate in the way I expressed myself, and thanks for not responding in kind.

I find livejournal really frustrating too, plus with poptimists you've got to get up at like 6 in the morning Mountain Time or most of the conversations are over. Freaky Trigger coulda worked, maybe, except the print is too small. So it isn't like there's another specific gathering place for "teenpop" (or whatever) other than here. Things'll hop from Nia's journal to bedbugs to Freaky Trigger to this thread to Will's blog to Hazel's journal to Lex's journal to poptimists to Mike's blog to Cis's journal to Kat's journal to Dave's journal etc. And people will often put a discussion under lock and key, which frustrates me because I can't then tell my friends to go look at it. But those various places had what was for me the real Paris and Britney and Aly & A.J. convos (plus Girls Aloud and Kylie and Cascada etc.), plus a line on a whole landscapes and cave's worth of music I barely know.

I think ilX really lost something when Tom and Mark and a lot of those people basically decamped (I mean, they still pop in occasionally, but...).

Frank Kogan, Monday, 31 December 2007 20:08 (6 years ago) Permalink

(But not sure that putting "charts" in your threads title will get you what you want. Narrows it in a different way. As I said, up to you guys. Is J0rdan's thread the one you want?)

Frank Kogan, Monday, 31 December 2007 20:10 (6 years ago) Permalink

Is it worth stressing the minutiae?

The Reverend, Monday, 31 December 2007 20:22 (6 years ago) Permalink

rev otm but i put charts in the title because the 07 charts thread is where we talked about pop(ular) music without only talking about itunes sales and shit. i would like ppl to post links to new songs and stuff but whatever we'll see where it goes.

J0rdan S., Monday, 31 December 2007 20:27 (6 years ago) Permalink

an all encompassing pop thread would make my head explode esp. in a world where people say with a straight-face that battles are a "pop" band

J0rdan S., Monday, 31 December 2007 20:27 (6 years ago) Permalink

The teenpop thread has to keep going because the battle to integrate the genre into a discussion of pop music in general hasn't been won. Sure, Britney's album got its own thread, but we couldn't have discussed Ashley Tisdale's album on a general pop thread and gotten a good discussion out of it. The teenpop thread exists for a good reason: it's a real genre, with real depth and complex songs, that is completely dismissed by the majority of pop music fans on ILM. The Paris Hilton album comes to mind-- Lex started a thread about it that became a continued series of people mocking him for starting it, and on the teenpop thread the album got the serious discussion it deserved.

Matt Armstrong, Monday, 31 December 2007 21:52 (6 years ago) Permalink

"Pop" sounds way more bland and chickenshit and compromised than "teenpop" to me; it's too all-encompassing (plus just wait until it gets overrun by Big Star and Blue Ash and Badfinger fans.) (Not that they should be shut out or anything. Sometimes I'm even one of those myself.)

And my problem with "U.S. charts" is, uh, what about teenpop that doesn't make the U.S. charts (like, say Skye Sweetnam and Hope Partlow and the Veronicas and Pretty Donkey and fill-in-the-Europop-star-I-never-heard-of in the past few years)? Where does that go?

I suggest: Rolling Bubblegum Thread '08. (But it's too late now, maybe.)

xhuxk, Monday, 31 December 2007 22:21 (6 years ago) Permalink

livejournal really frustrating too, plus with poptimists you've got to get up at like 6 in the morning Mountain Time or most of the conversations are over. Freaky Trigger coulda worked, maybe, except the print is too small. So it isn't like there's another specific gathering place for "teenpop" (or whatever) other than here. Things'll hop from Nia's journal to bedbugs to Freaky Trigger to this thread to Will's blog to Hazel's journal to Lex's journal to poptimists to Mike's blog to Cis's journal to Kat's journal to Dave's journal etc

See, this all just seems really diffuse to me, and makes the discussion even more closed, somehow. And confusing; I've probably never even seen most of the journals and blogs that Frank is referring to; I'm not even sure what most of them are. Which is probably why I never managed to get caught up in the discussions in those places, or to join in there. If somebody says something really smart in one of those places, why can't it just be quoted or linked to from Rolling Whatever? -- which, as even Frank seems to be admitting, seems to be the only place where all sorts of conversations can converge. (As for individual-album threads, like the Britney or Paris ones, I've never looked at those, and have no intention to; I can't really imagine caring that much about any particular album.) (Well, okay, I cared that much about a Big N Rich album once. But that was the exception that proves the rule I guess.) And anyway, what makes the rolling threads great is that they can go off on wide-ranging tangents -- except those rolling threads where idiots get upset when such tangents happen, which hasn't seemed to be a problem with the teenpop one.

xhuxk, Monday, 31 December 2007 22:31 (6 years ago) Permalink

Gotta run until '08 but:

Rolling Bubblegum Thread '08.

Seconded if someone else wants to start it.

dabug, Monday, 31 December 2007 23:50 (6 years ago) Permalink

rolling US charts 2008/talk about "pop" here

J0rdan S., Monday, 31 December 2007 23:51 (6 years ago) Permalink

I suggest: Rolling Bubblegum Thread '08. (But it's too late now, maybe.)

2008 isn't for another few hours. But if no one starts it before 12:01 AM EST tonight, I will.

Mordechai Shinefield, Tuesday, 1 January 2008 00:32 (6 years ago) Permalink

Tape Store, Tuesday, 1 January 2008 01:40 (6 years ago) Permalink

Bubblegummy goodness continues: Rolling Debutante Bubblegum Teenpop Thread 2008

Greg Fanoe, Thursday, 3 January 2008 17:42 (6 years ago) Permalink

3 months pass...

Dom Passantino, Monday, 28 April 2008 21:35 (6 years ago) Permalink

bye thread

Curt1s Stephens, Monday, 28 April 2008 21:37 (6 years ago) Permalink


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