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|l|l|l|l|l|l|l|l|l|l|l|l|l|l|l|l|l|l|l|l|l|l|l|l|l| (eman), Saturday, 18 February 2006 06:02 (8 years ago) Permalink

In response to Chuck - the track 'Woman' is obviously influenced by early Black Sabbath, but subsequent singles reveal that each new track has another (always 70's) reference point - a specific hard rock song by a specific act. Hawkwind, surprisingly, isn't among the influences, or at least not as far as the member I spoke to is concerned - I mentioned Hawkwind to him about a year ago and he'd never heard of them, which surprised me.

There's a lot of this in Australia at the moment. Chuck misunderstood my point in the quote he posted above and appeared to restate it, thinking he was disagreeing with me(though I don't share his views about the 'foxies at all). Each song by these new acts is a kind of epigone of some 70's hard rock act. As has now become clear, the target varies from one song to the next with the 'wolfies, though never with the 'foxies. The next cab off the rank is Airb0rne, doing something very like early AC/DC. No doubt they'll be in your reviews tray before too long Mr Eddy.

ratty, Saturday, 18 February 2006 23:59 (8 years ago) Permalink

Problem is, Wolfmother don 't really sound like '70s hard rock.

George, on the metal thread:

Howler hype of the day: In the Saturday LA Times -- "The Aussie trio [Wolfmother] showcase a sonic grandeur and freewheeling song structure that has earned them deserving comparisons with Black Sabbath and Led Zeppelin." This from a newspaper features section where none of the music writers ever cover anything that actually has anything to do with the LZ and BS vintage sounds invoked.
This follows last Sunday's entry, You Know That Just Ain't Right:
Blurb in Amoeba's ad in the Sunday LA Times on an instore show by Wolfmother -- "Like the bastard son of Uriah Heep and Jimi Hendrix..."

Uriah Heep, Jimi Hendrix, Black Sabbath, Led Zeppelin. That about cover's it. Wolfmother, the magic elixir of heavy rock, including everything for all people who don't like hard rock, have to write about it once or twice, and have this to glom onto.

-- George the Animal Steele (george_the_animal_steele...), February 18th, 2006.

xhuxk, Sunday, 19 February 2006 00:20 (8 years ago) Permalink

i take it back, the EP i heard had total Sabbath style fuzzy hi-mid sounding production. this new thing of theirs is meant to be played on the radio and it's not very good at all.

firstworldman (firstworldman), Sunday, 19 February 2006 02:19 (8 years ago) Permalink

the opinions on '70s copyism in this thread seem almost exactly divided between people who heard the debut EP or saw them play before that, and Americans who have just received local promos of the award-winning number one album. how perhaps-not-curious-at-all - interviews with the band repeatedly credit producer D. Sardy with making them rewrite the songs to get away from the endlessly riffing sludgy Sabbath/Purple mode that home audiences had come to know the band in.

kit brash (kit brash), Sunday, 19 February 2006 02:33 (8 years ago) Permalink

Some of the burble coming from the distribution of promos in America comes from people who have no idea what they're talking about. The ridiculous citations and hype is a dead giveaway.

George the Animal Steele, Sunday, 19 February 2006 02:53 (8 years ago) Permalink

I heard the EP. not the album. And I am American. I really don't care what bands they namedrop to interviewers; not sure how that has anything to do with how they actually sound.

xhuxk, Sunday, 19 February 2006 05:13 (8 years ago) Permalink

(though to be technical, i guess i'm not positive that the EP i heard was a DEBUT. I'm pretty sure it was, unless they're being promoted by an EP sampler from the album in the States.)

xhuxk, Sunday, 19 February 2006 05:32 (8 years ago) Permalink

i don't know... i got some sort of ep... probably about 1 1/2 - 2 years ago. the songs that were on it have been completely rerecorded.

firstworldman (firstworldman), Sunday, 19 February 2006 05:52 (8 years ago) Permalink

yeah the first four-song EP was all home recordings. everything since is from the album sessions

electric sound of jim (and why not) (electricsound), Sunday, 19 February 2006 05:55 (8 years ago) Permalink

and they deliberately deleted the EP once the songs had all been re-recorded.

Xhuxk, I was intending to point up that in their post-album interviews the band have been going out of their way to DENY all the 70's name-drop references that every single person who saw them play in the six-month hypefest after their first gigs walked away concluding for themselves, and claim that the songs themselves don't even sound like that anymore.

kit brash (kit brash), Sunday, 19 February 2006 07:54 (8 years ago) Permalink

The one guy looks like the guy from Supergrass. Supergrass are one of the worst bands to ever pick up instruments. Thus, I will be ignoring Wolfmother from here on out.

pdf (Phil Freeman), Sunday, 19 February 2006 16:47 (8 years ago) Permalink

> Supergrass are one of the worst bands to ever pick up instruments. <

Nah, their first album was okay! It's just been steadily downhill ever since.

xhuxk, Sunday, 19 February 2006 16:53 (8 years ago) Permalink

You just can't take anyone seriously, or believe anything about the band, when a debut that's not even in stores in my neck of the woods, is immediately tossed onto the plate with Black Sabbath etc. The claim of being something that's a combination of Uriah Heep AND Hendrix is exceptional. Even if it could possibly be partially true, and you are a fan of both, you'd have in your mind re Wolfmother: AVOID.

But that's the state of nonsense that's normal in hyping something as inconsequential as a new hard rock/metal band. For example, the material that came on the Sword in e-mail on Friday was of similar cloth. The Sword are being towed around on the undercard of the Early Man tour, appearing at a very small club in LA on Saturday night, accompanied by more delirious howlers comparing them to the standard 70's namechecks, furnishing riffs so compelling you'll soil yourself, taken from urban slum publications that received the promo copy late last year. Wish I'd kept the e-mail instead of hitting the delete. I'd repost it now.

Does anyone who is not a fool believe this stuff? I just don't think it's an effective way to promote an act. I'd be bummed if I were in a band and saw it written. You'd think to yourself "surely no one could be so stupid as to believe this trash."

George the Animal Steele, Sunday, 19 February 2006 17:24 (8 years ago) Permalink

1 month passes...
But if anyone is looking to cut and paste for their record review Ben Domenech style, here's a goldmine: Mark Morford regurgitates every cliche you can think of on his hype piece today (which, to be fair, is on sfgate's culture blog, which leads me to believe he actually does believe the things he's saying, which, I guess, is his perogative).

kyle (akmonday), Wednesday, 29 March 2006 15:57 (8 years ago) Permalink

The fact remains - no matter how good or bad, real metal fans will never buy albums by Wolfmother, The Sword (the worst of the bunch, I think), Witch, etc. This isn't a reflection on the music necessarily - I don't know any metal fans (and I know a lot - the heavy metal parking lot type, mostly old Maiden fans fighting in vain against the ravages of old age / good sense, and the newer, chain wallet sporting Lamb of God / Dimebag RIP types) that even know who Om or Kalas is. Maybe some have heard Sleep, but even that's probably a stretch. You can try to argue, but I dare you to survey the crowd at an Opeth show, or a Hate Eternal show, and ask them at random how many albums they own on Kemado or Teepee or Troubleman or Matador. This is the harsh reality, folks, no matter how much hyperbole and bullshit you put behind a band of longhairs playing blues progressions through Orange amplification.

Leach Woman, Wednesday, 29 March 2006 16:44 (8 years ago) Permalink

That's prob'ly rate in most of these cases. The Gooze, a friend of mine is a Maiden/Dimebag fanatic, he bought Wolfmother and said it was going back into circulation at the used store. There's always an exception to the rule so maybe if they get luck..

Semi-entertaining and certainly enthusiastic review even though Wolfmother don't sound like the best of Ozzy Black Sabbath or mega-fuzzy 70's arena rock which wasn't that fuzzy really. Technical bit of info: Yes, Pagey used a Tonebender fuzz into his Marshalls but, like everyone else, he didn't use it to cover everything in ZZZZZZ and hair, you used them to juice sustain, thickness and crunch on the tone.

Why do the reviews that namecheck 70's arena rock never mention Foghat or Nugent? Or ELP? Man, up until '74 ELP had coined and ruined superstadium rock.
Nice Frazetta/Dean-esque art.(or maybe they did drag Dean out of semi-retirement or whoever the new Dean/Frazetta is). Very 70's and if you bought the LP on the basis of it back then you'd probably be happy with it for a couple weeks. Dean did a couple Heap covers but Wolfmother don't sound like that either.

George 'the Animal' Steele, Wednesday, 29 March 2006 16:56 (8 years ago) Permalink

And ELP DID sound fuzzy by dint of Palmers synths. They really fuzzed and fizzed.

George 'the Animal' Steele, Wednesday, 29 March 2006 16:57 (8 years ago) Permalink

Whoops, ERROR. Make that Emerson's synths. How could I be so stupid? I love some ELP.

George 'the Animal' Steele, Wednesday, 29 March 2006 17:00 (8 years ago) Permalink

All arguments about authenticity aside, everything I've heard by this band sounds good for about the first 4 seconds then puts me to sleep. One of their early EPs was recommended by a usually on-point friend of mine, so I tried to get into it more than I would most music. After repeated listens I can't remember a single lick or lyric by this band.

Exact same situation for Sword, except I didn't try as hard to like them.

josh in sf (stfu kthx), Wednesday, 29 March 2006 18:55 (8 years ago) Permalink

RE: Nice Frazetta/Dean-esque art.(or maybe they did drag Dean out of semi-retirement or whoever the new Dean/Frazetta is). Very 70's and if you bought the LP on the basis of it back then you'd probably be happy with it for a couple weeks. Dean did a couple Heap covers but Wolfmother don't sound like that either.

-- George 'the Animal' Steele (georg...), March 29th, 2006. (later)


The artwork is original Frazetta...

glenny g2003 (glenny g2003), Thursday, 30 March 2006 00:08 (8 years ago) Permalink

The artwork is originally RETARDED!!!

Esteban Buttez Goes To College, Thursday, 30 March 2006 00:23 (8 years ago) Permalink

Review cites Wolfmother as preferable to the Darkness who are clubbed as unworthy. But the Darkness essentially went to the same demographic being shilled on Wolfmother this year. The band sold fair on its first release but didn't entrench with old school and hardcore metal fans in the US and come the second record, which I liked two or three songs on, they were pretty much finished because no one seemed to cared anymore. Vera innerestink.

Frazetta did art that was used on one or two Nazareth rekkids. However, they were the Nazareth rekkids that weren't the ones most people kept in their collections.

I dunno. I've hear Wolfmother's "Love Train" and stuff over and over and I don't hear 70's or I'd like it a lot more than I do. Which is the equiv of an 'eh' when its on.

George 'the Animal' Steele, Thursday, 30 March 2006 02:51 (8 years ago) Permalink

It's a detail of a 1970s Frazetta, I think, not an original commission. (Glenn should know, though.)

kit brash (kit brash), Thursday, 30 March 2006 03:41 (8 years ago) Permalink

At least with The Darkness, you knew it was all a joke.

ESTEBAN BUTTEZ~!!! (ESTEBAN BUTTEZ~!!!), Thursday, 30 March 2006 04:43 (8 years ago) Permalink

7 months pass...
> THEY HAVE A SONG CALLED "TALES FROM THE FOREST OF GNOMES"

This was intended as ad hominem, but personally, I couldn't think of a better endorsement for the band. When it comes to rock, I'm fascinated by the absurd, the esoteric, and adventurous bordering on the daft. Did Led Zeppelin really need to reference Tolkien in some of their songs? Not really, but it's what they felt and I love them for it.

>The fact remains - no matter how good or bad, real metal fans
>will never buy albums by Wolfmother

Probably true. I like metal and metalheads have a certain charm but lord knows they're fairly dogmatic and narrow in their tastes.

My personal opinion of Wolfmother: I was introduced to them via the "Jimmy Kimmel concert series" where they played about four songs. I was tremendously entertained and immediately downloaded the album. What a dissapointment! It's like all of the rawness and excitement were smoothed down. Live, the singer essentially howled, with passion if not precision, and the solos were monstrousl raw and volcanic. The studio recordings are much more restrained and predictable. Alas. I hope in the future they'll be able to capture the tremendous energy of their live show.

Squirrel_Police (Squirrel_Police), Sunday, 5 November 2006 03:35 (8 years ago) Permalink

Hard rock for people who don't like hard rock.

Urnst Kouch (Urnst Kouch), Sunday, 5 November 2006 09:04 (8 years ago) Permalink

"WOOOOOOMAN, YOU GOTTA DECLARE ITEMS ON ENTRY TO AUSTRALIA! WOOOOOOMAN!"

-- Domenico Buttez (estebanbutte...), September 4th, 2006.

Hoosteen (Hoosteen), Sunday, 5 November 2006 09:07 (8 years ago) Permalink

Wolfmother: Alpha to omega.

Urnst Kouch (Urnst Kouch), Sunday, 5 November 2006 09:08 (8 years ago) Permalink

>> but lord knows they're fairly dogmatic and narrow in their tastes.

I was told I'm Jim Anchower. But I don't have a stocking cap. And I am too old. I thought the Detroit Rock City movie had nothing to do with my experience. It was always easy to get AC/DC, Kiss and Sabbath tickets.

Urnst Kouch (Urnst Kouch), Sunday, 5 November 2006 09:28 (8 years ago) Permalink

The one time I heard these guys, I thought they were doing a Billy Squier rip. [Shrugs.]

A Radio Picture (Rrrickey), Sunday, 5 November 2006 09:46 (8 years ago) Permalink

I honestly thought this crap would be long forgotten by now.

WHY DO PEOPLE HAVE NO FUCKING TASTE? :-(

wordy rappaport (EstieButtez1), Sunday, 5 November 2006 12:03 (8 years ago) Permalink

Video of Mike Patton being interviewed at Lollapalooza as Wolfmother start to play; his reaction is amusing:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r98WLLWMq3o

Tiki Theater Xymposium (Bent Over at the Arclight), Sunday, 5 November 2006 14:06 (8 years ago) Permalink

Bwahahahahaha, that's fucking fantastic.

wordy rappaport (EstieButtez1), Sunday, 5 November 2006 14:13 (8 years ago) Permalink

"What year is it?!"

Hoosteen (Hoosteen), Monday, 6 November 2006 00:38 (8 years ago) Permalink

i'd be more inclined to like any band that douchebag hates.

hstencil (hstencil), Monday, 6 November 2006 01:16 (8 years ago) Permalink

...b-b-but Patton is going to record an album of Italian 60's songs?!!
GREAT!!!

Marco Damiani (Marco D.), Monday, 6 November 2006 13:53 (8 years ago) Permalink

I wanna hear him singing some Mina or Carosone songs!

Marco Damiani (Marco D.), Monday, 6 November 2006 13:53 (8 years ago) Permalink

He's already done "24,000 Baci".

dommy p is alright WHICH IS A LOT MORE THAN I CAN SAY ABOUT A LOT OF PEOPLE (Dom, Monday, 6 November 2006 13:57 (8 years ago) Permalink

The singer from wroflmother's voice is HORRIBLE.

Pashmina (Pashmina), Monday, 6 November 2006 14:06 (8 years ago) Permalink

He's already done "24,000 Baci"

Celentano + Patton = unbelievably demented classic.
His Italian is incredibly good, by the way.

Marco Damiani (Marco D.), Monday, 6 November 2006 14:30 (8 years ago) Permalink

10 months pass...

Video of Mike Patton being interviewed at Lollapalooza as Wolfmother start to play; his reaction is amusing:

Repentance: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7XT26VjTfug

energy flash gordon, Monday, 17 September 2007 04:51 (7 years ago) Permalink

Tongue piercing cheek, tickling woman's hairstyle.

Ned Raggett, Monday, 17 September 2007 05:03 (7 years ago) Permalink

you cant seriously like wolfmother

the galena free practitioner, Monday, 17 September 2007 13:41 (7 years ago) Permalink

who can't?

energy flash gordon, Tuesday, 18 September 2007 13:46 (7 years ago) Permalink

4 months pass...

Someone was telling me the other day that Wolfmother straight from the get go had critics talking. As industry bigwigs fumbled for their cheque books they sold out show after show without even a proper release to their name, sending Sydney hipsters crazy.

Dom Passantino, Thursday, 7 February 2008 21:56 (6 years ago) Permalink

i still kinda like "woman"

they will have a decent singles collection in like 4 years and i will probably buy it

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Thursday, 7 February 2008 22:19 (6 years ago) Permalink

woman is probably my favorite song to play on guitar hero

J0rdan S., Thursday, 7 February 2008 22:20 (6 years ago) Permalink

it was the least surprising thing ever when the dude from Re5in Dogs lasted less than a year as new sideman in this band

i'm assuming that it's tity boi, host of the mixtape (sic), Saturday, 20 November 2010 07:21 (4 years ago) Permalink

"his white hatchback" is pretty funny but "he proudly confirmed that he was indeed the Andrew Stockdale from Wolfmother" totally killed me.

Pro Bono Impersonator (King Boy Pato), Saturday, 20 November 2010 07:34 (4 years ago) Permalink

8 months pass...

the band playing at the time "took exception to that".

Who? Well, I've never heard of Mogwai. (electricsound), Friday, 22 July 2011 04:48 (3 years ago) Permalink

it's the fine that had to be levied

Omega-3 fatty acid house (haitch), Friday, 22 July 2011 04:51 (3 years ago) Permalink

sadly i have been unable to confirm the band in question

Who? Well, I've never heard of Mogwai. (electricsound), Friday, 22 July 2011 04:56 (3 years ago) Permalink

That bar is pretty awesome, they stock pretty much only ~craft beers~

yuoowemeone, Friday, 22 July 2011 04:58 (3 years ago) Permalink

*Australian craft beers I mean

yuoowemeone, Friday, 22 July 2011 04:59 (3 years ago) Permalink

xxp wouldn't it be great if it was, like, chisel doing a secret warmup for that reformation tour of theirs

Omega-3 fatty acid house (haitch), Friday, 22 July 2011 04:59 (3 years ago) Permalink

:(

yuoowemeone, Friday, 22 July 2011 06:44 (3 years ago) Permalink

7 months pass...

it was the least surprising thing ever when the dude from Re5in Dogs lasted less than a year as new sideman in this band

― i'm assuming that it's tity boi, host of the mixtape (sic), Saturday, 20 November 2010 18:21 (1 year ago)

Now onto their fourth lineup in as many years, with a dude who used to draw metal band logos onto his pencilcase during high-school exams on drums, freed up because he couldn't deal with the egotistical irascibility of the singer in The Vin3s anymore. So that's sure to last.

┗|∵|┓ (sic), Wednesday, 21 March 2012 01:29 (2 years ago) Permalink

it's like one's girlfriend leaving them for matth3w newt0n

trimdon orange explosion (electricsound), Wednesday, 21 March 2012 01:32 (2 years ago) Permalink

how is this band a thing

oh well i guess it isn't outside mr stockdale's head

Clive "The Chip" Crinkly (King Boy Pato), Thursday, 22 March 2012 10:59 (2 years ago) Permalink

M0du1ar has declined to release their 3rd album, too.

┗|∵|┓ (sic), Thursday, 22 March 2012 12:29 (2 years ago) Permalink

mixed blessing

roadie road (electricsound), Thursday, 22 March 2012 13:25 (2 years ago) Permalink


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