Rolling Teenpop 2006 Thread

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Dude, if Weezer is on there, Rooney should have no problem. They don't have to wear dumb suits like the Click Five.

Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Thursday, 5 January 2006 20:44 (8 years ago) Permalink

Yeah, but none of them have the charisma of Rivers, and yes, I know what I just said, and yes, I am kind of embarassed.

Eppy (Eppy), Thursday, 5 January 2006 20:45 (8 years ago) Permalink

Ashlee needs to release "Dancing Alone" as her next single, I think. "What's In It For Me" YSI coming up, it was the second biggest selling single of Sweden last year. The biggest was "Money For Nothing" by Darin, which was written by none other than Robyn (From Sweden) and would probably be up this thread's street also.

edward o (edwardo), Thursday, 5 January 2006 20:46 (8 years ago) Permalink

Also, I really really like that Weezer song, but I know I'm an outlier. Way more interesting than Rooney FFS.

Eppy (Eppy), Thursday, 5 January 2006 20:46 (8 years ago) Permalink

"in conclusion the big british teen pop sensation of the year is The Arctic Monkeys"

I find this pleasing.

Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Thursday, 5 January 2006 20:48 (8 years ago) Permalink

My contributions to this thread, I'll say now, are based in not knowing a single real actual teenager except my cousin Leila, who lives in Switzerland and who I've never had a conversation about music with. My wife tutors pre-teens but the cultural touchpoints for them at the moment seem to be films, football, videogames, not music really.

Anyway -

Seems to me that in the UK new teenpop acts are few and far between at the moment, the pendulum is perceived to have swung and launches are all solo acts from groups or proven winners from somewhere else.

Tom (Groke), Thursday, 5 January 2006 20:48 (8 years ago) Permalink

I don't even know how YSI works, but my guess is that with my puny little dialup anything you send would take me out of commission for the six hours it takes to download, so probably it wouldn't work for me.

Would someone provide a URL for Smash Hits radio?

(I was once on the Smash Hits masthead, albeit the Australian one.)

Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Thursday, 5 January 2006 20:52 (8 years ago) Permalink

www.smashhits.net and then click on "radio".

The "Smash Hits Chart" is weird, it may be a year-end or ringtone list, or it may be that Tony Christie and the Crazy Frog are still the favourites.

Tom (Groke), Thursday, 5 January 2006 20:53 (8 years ago) Permalink

UK teenpop seems to me very eager to reach for the strings when it wants to do something more serious or meaningful.

(Maybe other teenpop does this too, I'm not saying it's just a UK thing, though I recognise the tradition in the UK)

Tom (Groke), Thursday, 5 January 2006 20:55 (8 years ago) Permalink

in the safe-silly-novelty-nonconfessional-probably way-pre-teen category, i feel the need to point out emma roberts' "new shoes," which i discovered just last when i found her album in a throwaway pile on someone's desk at work. the rest of the album kinda went in one ear and out the other -- not quite catchy enough, i'm afraid -- but "new shoes," which has a jill sobule writing credit and which is about spotting a great pair of shoes in a store window and then going in and buying them, is more or less the audio equivalent of shania twain's pre-teen daughter in a ramones t-shirt, which i mean in the good way.

fact checking cuz (fcc), Thursday, 5 January 2006 20:58 (8 years ago) Permalink

(Girls Aloud playing now on SHR, by the way.)

Tom (Groke), Thursday, 5 January 2006 20:59 (8 years ago) Permalink

I think US teenpop now goes for the power ballad, which is almost indescribably awesome. Cf "Incomplete."

Eppy (Eppy), Thursday, 5 January 2006 21:02 (8 years ago) Permalink

Frank, probably closer to half an hour unless your dial-in modem's still a 28.8k!

Amy Diamond - What's In It For Me?

edward o (edwardo), Thursday, 5 January 2006 21:11 (8 years ago) Permalink

Not if U.S. teenpop is judged by the Disney Channel it doesn't. Nary a power ballad yet on there. But their new movie High School Musical is getting featured pretty prominently (and looks awesome).

Hillary Brown (Hillary Brown), Thursday, 5 January 2006 21:12 (8 years ago) Permalink

Back around the time of "I'm Not A Girl (Not Yet A Woman)" I started to think that Britney was going to make the transition to actively courting adult listeners (not just adult men watching her videos) by becoming another Faith Hill - semicountry balladry. Anybody else think that's gonna be the move, when she comes back? After all, she's a mom now.

pdf (Phil Freeman), Thursday, 5 January 2006 21:12 (8 years ago) Permalink

Also, I'm glad someone's still listening to JoJo. Yay for JoJo!

Hillary Brown (Hillary Brown), Thursday, 5 January 2006 21:23 (8 years ago) Permalink

x postish to tom

interesting point about the supposed Girls Aloud target audience. post teen, Heat, T4 i see the drill. possibly the biggest consumers in repect to surplus cash and from my experience seems to be the audience you'd most associate with alot of the top 40 albums of the year thou not of course all http://www.coolclarity.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=58888 no girls aloud but interestingly no frank fergusons oh and
38 The War of the Worlds - Jeff Wayne 446,000

back to teen pop the stuff i really liked last year that was teen pop was the sort of attempts of find a girl Busted, the teleological grail of all that is good, The Faders, Kim Lian and Lovebites especially The Lovebites but the teens said no it seems, perhaps sixth forms (moshercore! nmindie!) and "life style" (what girls aloud portray but James Blunt is actually a part of?) are more appealing than songs about beating up boyfriends and so forth.

pscott (elwisty), Thursday, 5 January 2006 21:26 (8 years ago) Permalink

Hillary, "Leave" is never going to leave (which makes me happy, and can compensate for those terrible Smashmouth songs that Disney also has on permanent play).

Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Thursday, 5 January 2006 21:50 (8 years ago) Permalink

I'm kinda more partial to "Baby It's You" (which still absolutely slays me the way that clappy bubbly beat comes in at the beginning). But the "yay" is repeated.

I believe the kids still really like the pop punk, if I can judge by my 13-year-old half sister.

Hillary Brown (Hillary Brown), Thursday, 5 January 2006 21:54 (8 years ago) Permalink

See, yeah, Smashmouth, Bowling for Soup - get 'em out of there. Oh, Rooney, where art thou?

Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Thursday, 5 January 2006 21:58 (8 years ago) Permalink

Thanks Edwardo! OK, instant reaction, Amy Diamond, "What's In It For Me?": First off, the voice is hard and crooked in a way that "hard and crooked" doesn't describe; maybe I need to go and listen to... Jill Scott?... and compare Amy's voice to hers. It's the singing in the verse that's hard-and-crooked r&b (though the accompaniment is reggaeish, with the kickdrum going 1-2-3-4 to straighten the beat), whereas the chorus is sweet and tuneful teenpop, so this is an interesting combination right there, crooked to sweet. In the chorus she pushes her voice high, and this is where she sounds 11 or 9. But the verse is something else. Not that it sounds adult, but it doesn't sound childlike either. (There's a guitar descent in the break that reminds me of "Wanted Dead or Alive," of all things.)

I've good feelings about this track, so far.

Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Thursday, 5 January 2006 21:58 (8 years ago) Permalink

Thanks Edwardo! OK, instant reaction, Amy Diamond, "What's In It For Me?": First off, the voice is hard and crooked in a way that "hard and crooked" doesn't describe; maybe I need to go and listen to... Jill Scott?... and compare Amy's voice to hers. It's the singing in the verse that's hard-and-crooked r&b (though the accompaniment is reggaeish, with the kickdrum going 1-2-3-4 to straighten the beat), whereas the chorus is sweet and tuneful teenpop, so this is an interesting combination right there, crooked to sweet. In the chorus she pushes her voice high, and this is where she sounds 11 or 9. But the verse is something else. Not that it sounds adult, but it doesn't sound childlike either. (There's a guitar descent in the break that reminds me of "Wanted Dead or Alive," of all things.)

I've good feelings about this track, so far.

Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Thursday, 5 January 2006 22:01 (8 years ago) Permalink

Oh, sorry about the double post. I was getting poxy fuled all over the place, and this is what happens.

Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Thursday, 5 January 2006 22:02 (8 years ago) Permalink

But the song is worth hearing twice.

Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Thursday, 5 January 2006 22:03 (8 years ago) Permalink

She's singing blue notes in the verses. Blues = more adult? I think she kinds of pulls it off as just being cute, though.

Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Thursday, 5 January 2006 22:03 (8 years ago) Permalink

Whatever it is, it's not something I'm hearing an equivalent to in U.S. teenpop, even the more r&bish

Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Thursday, 5 January 2006 22:06 (8 years ago) Permalink

And it wasn't what I was expecting, which is cool.

Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Thursday, 5 January 2006 22:07 (8 years ago) Permalink

I mean it's cool that I wasn't expecting it.

Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Thursday, 5 January 2006 22:07 (8 years ago) Permalink

Hillary, by pop punk do you mean Green Day, Blink-182 (or whatever number it is), Hawthorn, and the like?

Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Thursday, 5 January 2006 22:09 (8 years ago) Permalink

Really good song. The silly new wave reggae in the verses is awesome! US teenpop's cuteness is not convincing to me. It's like your role model choices are either being a celebrity who acts in Disney movies and bad WB sitcoms or being Paris Hilton or something!

Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Thursday, 5 January 2006 22:11 (8 years ago) Permalink

Speaking of Rooney, whatever happened to Damone? I still here a lot of Simple Plan, though. They're geologic in their stolidity.

George the Animal Steele, Thursday, 5 January 2006 22:17 (8 years ago) Permalink

Hillary, by pop punk do you mean Green Day, Blink-182 (or whatever number it is), Hawthorn, and the like?

Yep. She had that Lustra song ("Scotty Doesn't Know") from Eurotrip up on her MySpace page for a while. (Sidebar: I think that song rocks.)

Also, they like the Yellowcard, I believe.

Some of that stuff is bad and boring, and some of it is foot-tappy and cute.

Hillary Brown (Hillary Brown), Thursday, 5 January 2006 22:21 (8 years ago) Permalink

An ilm thread I have actual knowledge re:, whoop, etc.

Chuck "I still haven't heard Robyn or Rachel Stevens or Girls Aloud, though though I want to. What's so great about them again?" Eddy, man, I'm happily anticipating the joy that awaits you. Not so much with Rachel - her few singles are fantastic (plus of course, 'Crazy Boys') but the albums really haven't endured in the same way that GA's 'What Would the Neighbours Say?' and 'Chemistry' have. And Robyn's Robyn works.

One thing, is that the new younger Emma Roberts/ Aly and AJ (who I believed to be teenpop antichrists pre- Rush) are remarkable in how LESS/ emptier their sounds are; watered down, less commited to either rocking or popping or punking out at all.

Lilix, they haven't been dropped yet? Bad songs.

The new Hilary stuff - as I tried to discuss in a convaluted mess with cis and Lex (?) was how neatly she's shifted from the grrl-rock game, now Ashlee and Lindsay are there, and into the electro 80s synth sounds, appropriating the Killers elements rather than Avril. Which, if 'Beat of my heart' is to be judged, and 'wake up', seems a smart move. The earlier 'come clean' era was good, but I'm liking the new shift. Didn't the Maddens produce those Most Wanted bonus tracks?

McFly - Dadrock indeed, only their aesthetic is bemusing now too, looking at the '5 colours' era to their latest video which was very '2002 nu-metal alienation graphics' - not at all teenpop looking, more grey suits and flat hair.

Abby (abby mcdonald), Thursday, 5 January 2006 22:29 (8 years ago) Permalink

>The new Hilary stuff - as I tried to discuss in a convaluted mess with cis and Lex (?) was how neatly she's shifted from the grrl-rock game, now Ashlee and Lindsay are there, and into the electro 80s synth sounds, appropriating the Killers elements rather than Avril<

Has she really shifted genres, though? Or is it just some '80s electro accoutrements on the same style songs? Listening to the clip of "Wake up" on iTunes makes me wonder.

Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Thursday, 5 January 2006 22:37 (8 years ago) Permalink

No, not a complete genre shift, but taking a different angle on her sound - trying to distinguish it with a new gloss. There is definite shift between her old 'Fly'/'Ashlees 'Boyfriend'/ Lindsay's 'A Little More Personal' sound and 'Beat of My Heart'/ Wake Up.

Abby (abby mcdonald), Thursday, 5 January 2006 22:42 (8 years ago) Permalink

I'm not a Hilary completist, but what I've heard (mainly the recent quasi-best-of-whatever-it-is) falls into three distinct categories: (1) the two DioGuardi-Shanks numbers ("Come Clean" and "Fly"), which may be the most conventionally mainstream pop of the three categories, but which also are the best by far and for some reason the hardest for me to describe: there's a feeling of melancholy to the tunes that isn't reflected in their words, there's basic catchiness (but not going for cuteness), and there's heartbreaking beauty which took me by surprise in that it suddenly snuck up on me, and I realized that "Fly" is one of the most haunting songs I've heard in my life (again not reflected in the self-help uplift lyrics): I don't know yet if this means Top One Thousand Best Songs Ever or Top Ten Best Songs Ever. (2) '80s hairmetal, I kid you not: stuff like "The Girl Can Rock." This is pretty good but would be better if it were prettier. (3) Early '80s new wave rock much like Go-Gos and Bangles, provided with the aid of her boyfriend and brother-in-boyfriend-law, who play in a real-live charting pop band Good Charlotte, and their friend John who plays in "respected ska-punk band Goldfinger" (quote is from Jim DeRogatis). This most recent, being a throwback to a throwback of Sixties supposed oonful-toonfulness, is the only thing that seems really aiming for the cutes, but it's "cute" in quotation marks and it's likable anyway. Also, I must point out that Duff may have the single tiniest voice in the history of music, and no discernible musical personality (though maybe if I'd ever seen the TV show - I'm TV-less, which limits my understanding - everything would be clear). And somehow she's involved in consistently good music, though so far I don't find her remotely as interesting as Lindsay or Ashlee, even if "Fly" may be the best DioGuardi-Shanks track so far.

Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Friday, 6 January 2006 03:27 (8 years ago) Permalink

Umm, I'm not really sure what this thread's all about. But I do want to say that my teenage sister has been dementing me with McFly coming through the wall for the past year, and more recently with some new bullshit called Son of Dork. I don't get it, she used to listen to Nirvana and Zeppelin...

DoG67, Friday, 6 January 2006 03:37 (8 years ago) Permalink

The Smash Hits chart.

1 TONY CHRISTIE FT PETER KAY (IS THIS THE WAY TO) AMARILLO
2 CRAZY FROG AXEL F
3 JAMES BLUNT YOU'RE BEAUTIFUL
4 MCFLY ALL ABOUT YOU/YOU'VE GOT A FRIEND
5 SHANYE WARD THAT’S MY GOAL
6 AKON LONELY
7 PUSSYCAT DOLLS FT BUSTA RHYMES DON'T CHA
8 WESTLIFE YOU RAISE ME UP
9 2PAC FT ELTON JOHN GHETTO GOSPEL
10 MADONNA HUNG UP
11 DANIEL POWTER BAD DAY
12 SUGABABES PUSH THE BUTTON
13 MARIO LET ME LOVE YOU
14 NELLY FT TIM MCGRAW OVER AND OVER
15 SNOOP DOGG/WILSON/TIMBERLAKE SIGNS
16 NATALIE IMBRUGLIA SHIVER
17 GORILLAZ FEEL GOOD INC
18 MARIAH CAREY WE BELONG TOGETHER
19 BODYROCKERS I LIKE THE WAY
20 SCISSOR SISTERS FILTHY/GORGEOUS
21 BLACK EYED PEAS DON'T PHUNK WITH MY HEART
22 ROBBIE WILLIAMS TRIPPING
23 CHARLOTTE CHURCH CRAZY CHICK
24 COLDPLAY SPEED OF SOUND
25 WILL SMITH SWITCH
26 GWEN STEFANI FT EVE RICH GIRL
27 KEANE THIS IS THE LAST TIME
28 JENNIFER LOPEZ GET RIGHT
29 CORAL IN THE MORNING
30 UNITING NATIONS OUT OF TOUCH
31 LEMAR IF THERE'S ANY JUSTICE
32 OASIS THE IMPORTANCE OF BEING IDLE
33 GREEN DAY BOULEVARD OF BROKEN DREAMS
34 STEREOPHONICS DAKOTA
35 SUNSET STRIPPERS FALLING STARS
36 GORILLAZ DARE
37 GREEN DAY WAKE ME UP WHEN SEPTEMBER ENDS
38 OASIS LYLA
39 50 CENT CANDY SHOP
40 BLACK EYED PEAS DON'T LIE
41 KELLY CLARKSON SINCE U BEEN GONE
42 EMINEM LIKE TOY SOLDIERS
43 USHER CAUGHT UP
44 U2 SOMETIMES YOU CAN'T MAKE IT ON YOUR OWN
45 AMERIE 1 THING
46 ROB THOMAS LONELY NO MORE
47 SEAN PAUL WE BE BURNIN'
48 MVP ROC YA BODY (MIC CHECK 1 2)
49 RIHANNA PON DE REPLAY
50 GWEN STEFANI COOL

This is the Smash Hits Chart compiled

Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Friday, 6 January 2006 03:44 (8 years ago) Permalink

(Hilary also has some DioGuardi-Shanks-type tracks not by DioGuardi and Shanks that aren't as good, except there's one called "Metamorphosis" that is almost as good. Also, the non-DioGuardi-Shanks numbers that include the word "Duff" in the writing credits are usually better than those that don't.)

Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Friday, 6 January 2006 03:48 (8 years ago) Permalink

A whole bunch or relevant things from last years' rolling country thread:

Well, with nine shopping days left until Pazz & Jop, I'm in the midst of what's always equivalent to the Bataan death march an end-of-year delight, which is to reevaluate my favorite records of the year for possible poll ranking, and trying to catch up on the many records I've missed. To report on the latter endeavor:
Madonna - I love the single, hate the rest of it. Lindsay Lohan - I hate the single, love the rest of it. (Isn't this what fundamentalists urge us to do: hate the single but love the singer?) Kelly Clarkson - way better than Christgau says it is, of course, but I can hear how incipient Faithisms and Celinetudes could weigh it down for him (and even for me, to some extent). Tatu - finely flimsied Europop at its finest, which surprises me (not the flimsiness or the Europop, but the fineness, since the single they emerged with several years ago had struck me as finely diced dime-a-dozen Europop and I didn't believe the hype; maybe the difference is no Trevor Horn this time).

-- Frank Kogan (edcasua...), December 17th, 2005. (Frank Kogan)


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Let's see, in the previous post I should have deleted the comma after "ranking" and changed "and trying to" to "and try to"; and I should have changed "way better than" to "far better than," so that the sentence wouldn't have been weighed down by a surfeit of "ways" and "weighs."

But to relate these albums to the putative subject matter of this thread:

Madonna wore a cowboy hat on the cover of her previous CD, which has nothing to do with the new album, or with the previous either, as far as I could tell, but here she is and I'm talking about her. The new CD is even duller than the others she's put out in the last fifteen years, which shocks me though probably shouldn't have, but I had hopes for this thing because (1) I love the single, and (2) I'd liked chief collaborator Stuart Price's Les Rythmes Digitales album from 1999 enough to have put it on my Pazz & Jop ballot (after which I totally forgot about him and it until seeing some ILM discussion several weeks ago lauding his subsequent career remixing any and everything under pseudonyms such as Jacques La Cont, Thin White Duke, Zoot Woman, Pour Homme, Paper Faces, Man With Guitar).

So the single samples the riff from Abba's "Gimme Gimme a Man After Midnight," putting it in a beautiful setting and when the riff is absent giving a beautiful texture to the chords. And the rest of the album has equally beautiful textures, and wonderful troughs and swells whenever a song transitions from verse to chorus or chorus to verse or verse to break. What it doesn't have is a single melody worth transitioning too, anywhere, except for that one Abba riff on track one. So you end up with soggy high-class mood music, all the beautiful swells and stuff just weighing everything down - er, wait, I mean, hold on, I can't use "weigh" again, um, dragging everything down? drenching everything up? (Oh, I don't know.) Her voice makes the tracks draggy too, I don't know why; it's the sort that needs a melody, not an atmosphere, I guess. "Hate" is probably an exaggeration - no, it isn't, I really don't like the thing, but I'll admit there are musically worthy moments. The obnoxious "I Love New York" song is as stupid as Joan Morgan says in her Voice review (she loved the album except for this track) but is actually one of the few signs of life, probably because it cops the chord pattern to Iggy's "I Wanna Be Your Dog" (an odd riff for a Detroit chick to use in a tribute to New York, given that the Stooges' home base was Ann Arbor, but maybe she or Price didn't notice the resemblance to "Dog").

Maybe I'm listening wrong and can come to hear it differently.

-- Frank Kogan (edcasua...), December 17th, 2005. (Frank Kogan)


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Ah, Lindsay. Her voice is a loose blat in comparison to Ashlee's tough little battering ram, and so far she hasn't pulled her music together as powerfully as Ashlee has; but the loose blat and the woman's basic Lohanicity make everything feel playful no matter how devastated or introspective she thinks she's being. The band sounds like it's having a rollicking good time. This is probably inaccurate - my copy has no album credits, but I assume that rather than a band there's just some guy doing overdub upon overdub, which is how most of these things are made. Some spirit is in this. (Strange if the tenth spot on my P&J list comes down to who is more fun: Lindsay Lohan or the Hold Steady. Craig Finn of the Hold Steady clobbers her in the category throw-you-to-the-floor funny lyrics ("Tramps like us and we like tramps"!), not too mention basic goofiness of vocal delivery, but she scores high on general pizzazz and ongoing shamelessness. Speaking of which, remember when words like "pizzazz" and "shameless" pertained to Madonna?
But to get bring us back to this thread, the best song on the Lohan, "I Live for the Day," matches "Kerosene" in virulence if not in stompability: "I live for the day, I live for the night, that you will be desperate and dying inside." (Glad to see that Lindsay has found a purpose in life) (though this was one of the songs she didn't co-write [writer's credits are available at allmusic.com].) And there's a meta moment worthy of Big & Rich where at the start of a the title, "A Little More Personal," she and a producer (or someone) are arguing over whether songs should have spoken intros (Lindsay in favor of them because they make the record a little more personal). But I kinda don't think Big & Rich will ever begin a song by singing: "God won't talk to me. I guess she's pretty busy." Or if they do, it won't get on the radio.

(My rationalization for posting this here is that by exploring what noncountry can and can't do, this tells us something about what country can and can't do. My real reason is that this is a more congenial thread than most to post on. And more fun.)

-- Frank Kogan (edcasua...), December 17th, 2005. (Frank Kogan)


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Close parenthesis after "pertained to Madonna?" And "at the start of a the title" should be, "at the start of the title song."

Kelly Clarkson - She's someone who could conceivably jump to country if she wanted to, since several of her songs (esp. "Breakaway") aren't far from the basic land of pop-country crossover, if she were ever to choose it. I don't think she knows yet which genre she'll settle into. She's playing big on CHR pop and adult contemporary so she'll probably continue offering the loud-bright-rock-and-gentle-ballad combo special. As of now she wants wall of guitars on her wailing choruses, which is something country has yet to allow.

She's got a love-is-the-drug my-love-for-you-is-toxic song (called "Addicted," appropriately enough) that is more flat-out pained and less knowing than you'd get in the country equivalents (or in Sheryl's or Britney's, for that matter): "It's like you're a leech, sucking the life from me/It's like I can't breathe without you inside of me."

-- Frank Kogan (edcasua...), December 17th, 2005. (Frank Kogan)


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the first time i felt like i was invading, that i was engaging in something inapporite, that seemed too personal, too raw for public consumption in a v v long time, was the artless but heartbreaking video for lohan's too personal.
it was harder to consume than any of the confessional singer songwriter shit that i engaged in, and was liminal b/w public and private personae in a way that seemed genuinely transgressive/taboo breaking.

not in the sense of oh my god this is so shocking (ie the ultra conceptual madonna of like a prayer) but in the sense of leave the poor girl alone, hasnt she suffered enough...

its something i dont have the crtical vocab for--and it doesnt matter if its nto v. good musically (and it isnt)--strangely enough, that overshare personal detail stuff seems to come in two places, girl pop (and i hear it in the shangri las, in the crystals, in other places) and in country--and the only place i felt it this year was in my inital reaction to the awful mindy mccready situtaion. (ie:finally we have tammy back)

does that
a) make me a bad person
b) make sense

-- anthony easton (anthonyeasto...), December 18th, 2005. (anthony)

Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Friday, 6 January 2006 04:12 (8 years ago) Permalink

Anthony, I understand what you're saying about Lindsay, but one thing to realize is that she's very much the one who's exploiting her own misfortune, heaving it at us and collecting moolah in return. It isn't a matter of "leave the poor girl alone, hasnt she suffered enough..." She herself co-wrote the song, and she directed the video herself! And this fits with the basic blat of her vocals, the young woman spraying herself forth.

Another interesting topic might be the way that country utilizes the child-abuse trope. Child abuse has been the subject of songs (T. Graham Brown "Which Way to Pray": "A little girl down on her knees/Saying 'Now I lay me down to sleep/Lord bless us with a happy home/And please make daddy leave me alone'"). Hank Snow had been an abused child, and he spoke out about child abuse, but as far as I know (which isn't very) he didn't make it an integral part of his image. Whereas in modern teenpop - Pink, Ashlee, Lindsay - singing about their suffering (don't know if there was abuse or just the usual divorce and/or abandonment) is an integrity move, something that's supposed to give songs and singers depth. (Which doesn't mean that it isn't gutsy, especially Pink's Missundaztood!.
Ashlee's "Shadow" is a powerful song, but there are things in it that feel wrong to me.)

(This year on P&J's abandoned child front, M.I.A.'s said that she entitled her album "Arular" (which is her dad's political alias, just as "Lenin" was Vladimer Ilyich Ulyanov's poltical alias) in the hope that he'd see it and get in touch with her. That was one reason, anyway.)

-- Frank Kogan (edcasua...), December 19th, 2005. (Frank Kogan)


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Listening to Linsay Lohan now. Kinda thinking that way too much of it sounds like the single! The Cheap Trick cover is okay. I like the new wave synthesizers in "A Little More Personal." Beyond that, I dunno. I definitely I think I prefer Linsay more when she's LESS personal. (Oh wait, "If You Were Me" is on now. What a bouncy little bassline:) But she may have no more business doing ballads than Gretchen Wilson.

I really liked a disco song Hilary Duff did last year that Metal Mike sent me the video of, but I forget its name. Thought both of her actual albums were okay, but not okay enough to keep them. Never heard the greatest hits CD. May still have a soundtrack that's half songs by her and half songs by other people in the storage garage.


-- xhuxk (xedd...), December 19th, 2005.


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There could also be a goth influence on country via Stevie Nicks (he says as Lindsy Lohan's seemingly quite good "Edge of 17" cover plays) or via Metallica (as in, say, harmonies on the first Big&Rich album). (What as Kim Carnes's and Bonnie Tyler's connection to goth, anyway?)
-- xhuxk (xedd...), December 19th, 2005.


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but which teenager doesnt over share, the adults around her should say something about it no?
we keep forgetting with the tits, and the voice, that lohan is still basically a child.

-- anthony easton (anthonyeasto...), December 19th, 2005. (anthony)


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"Who Loves You" on Linsay's album bounces too! I just may need to take more time with all those big bloated confessional slow ones.
(I really know nothing about her life, so I'm staying out of that discussion. She was really entertaining in *Mean Girls,* however.)

(By the way, speaking of lives, Frank, you know Ashlee supposedly collapsed after a show in Asia late last week, right? Last I heard, on Saturday I think, she was still being hospitalized. Hope she's OK.)

-- xhuxk (xedd...), December 19th, 2005.


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Lindsay is old enough to join the Marines! Old enough to fight, old enough to direct your own video, I say. (I really don't know enough about the biz to know how such decisions are made.)
-- Frank Kogan (edcasua...), December 20th, 2005. (Frank Kogan)

Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Friday, 6 January 2006 04:23 (8 years ago) Permalink

Actually, "Black Hole" on the Lohan sounds worse than the "Confessions" song, but to mention this earlier would have conflicted with my hyperbole above. Everything else on the alb is listenable, including "Confessions," though usually I'll program out "Confessions," "My Innocence," "A Little More Personal," and "A Beautiful Life," the last of which - the Goddess one - is probably also worse than "Confessions." So, the ones I like a lot are, more or less in order of preference, "I Live for the Day," "Edge of Seventeen" (even though Lindsay does some of the lamest ooo ooo ooos in history), "Who Loves You," "If It's Alright" (a power ballad), "I Want You to Want Me," and "Fastlane.")

-- Frank Kogan (edcasua...), December 20th, 2005. (Frank Kogan)


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(Ashlee's back in the U.S. with her family. Official reason for the collapse is exhaustion.)
-- Frank Kogan (edcasua...), December 20th, 2005. (Frank Kogan)


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>I really liked a disco song Hilary Duff did last year that Metal Mike sent me the video of, but I forget its name.<

'Twas "Wake Up."

-- xhuxk (xedd...), December 21st, 2005.


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(By the way, if anybody's interested, Lindsay Lohan does "I Want You To Want Me" better than Cheap Trick ever did. It was never even close to one of their best songs, I've always thought, but then again, not until now did I ever notice what a great line "I'll get home early from work if you'll say that you want me" is. Getting home early from work is such an important thing in everyday life! Lindsay singing that line hit me the second time through. I've heard the Cheap Trick version thousands of times, probably, and the line never grabbed me.)
-- xhuxk (xedd...), December 23rd, 2005.


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Also, the bassline in "Fastlane" comes from "Roxanne" by the Police!
-- xhuxk (xedd...), December 23rd, 2005.


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Now I'm up to Hilary Duff. Never in the course of human events have so many melodies been lavished on such a tiny voice.

Well, for the Churchillian effect I wanted I should have said, "Never in the field of human artistry was so much melody lavished by so many on such a tiny voice."
-- Frank Kogan (edcasua...), December 24th, 2005. (Frank Kogan)

Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Friday, 6 January 2006 04:35 (8 years ago) Permalink

(OK, I'll stop cutting and pasting for a while, though at some point I'll bring bring in Hope Partlow stuff.)

Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Friday, 6 January 2006 04:36 (8 years ago) Permalink

Meh. I expected to be more excited about the Partlow than I was. It just didn't grab me.

Hillary Brown (Hillary Brown), Friday, 6 January 2006 13:35 (8 years ago) Permalink

Frank are there any other Hillary songs like "Come Clean" and "Fly"? I love those so much. Actually I may have asked you this before.

In terms of Max Martin rock action, let us not forget The Veronicas' awesome "4 Eva".

Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Friday, 6 January 2006 13:54 (8 years ago) Permalink

Ha ha looks like I posted here a few times last night while I was *sleeping*. I don't know if that ever happened before.

Anyway. *Come Get It: The Very Best of Aaron Carter.* More fun than the Backstreet Boys's best of album? Maybe, I'm not sure. Best tracks: "Bounce," "A.C.'s Alien Nation," "To All the Girls," "Another Earthquake" (which was his pop-punk move, apparently; never knew he had one). Fun: "Aaron's Party (Come Get It)" (a "Parents Just Don't Understand" rip which I reviewed in a singles column in the voice several years ago), "My Internet Girl," "I Want Candy," "Oh Aaron."
Still pretty bad, though justifiable for its ridiculousness: "That's How I Beat Shaq." Missing: "Iko Iko"; he covered that right? Maybe people thought including it would be offensive in the wake of Katrina?

I heard the Veronicas album a couple months ago (listened to it to write a show preview of their New York show), and thought it was ok, not all that distinctive, and wound up trading it in. Should I not have? (I think I probably thought it wasn't teen-pop *enough.* Though I vaguely remember the singer vaguely reminding me of Joan Jett once.)

xhuxk, Friday, 6 January 2006 14:02 (8 years ago) Permalink

Not sure about the album, but I loved the first single, especially with it's original er indier video clip.

Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Friday, 6 January 2006 14:05 (8 years ago) Permalink

It was like Max Martin paying homage to Veruca Salt!

Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Friday, 6 January 2006 14:06 (8 years ago) Permalink

MORE TEEN-POP STUFF FROM LAST YEAR'S COUNTRY THREAD:

holy shit, stop the presses, on the stereo right now: 1982 john cougar song of the year: "crazy summer nights" by hope paltrow. sorry, silvertide, you just got beat!! (has metal mike heard this yet? he will spit out his diet pepsi for sure!!)
(okay, that had nothing to do with country, i guess. but i had to say it.)

-- xhuxk (xedd...), July 25th, 2005.
Oh, you were asking about Anna Nalick: she's 21, did "Breathe(2 A.M.)"
-- don (dmxz...), September 28th, 2005.


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Is she considered country, pop, r&b, or what?
Also, who is Emma Roberts? Just got the CD in the mail; she appears Nickelodeon connected. (Also appears to have nothing to do with country music, but who cares.) It wouldn't play in my computer; gotta take it home I guess. But I really like these song titles: "Punch Rocker," "Say Goodbye to Jr. High," "94 Weeks (Metal Mouth Freak)," "Dummy," "Mexican Wrestler," "New Shoes"! I wonder if Shania has heard that last song. I already want her to be the next Skye Sweetnam or at least Hope Partlow, but she probably isn't, I dunno.

-- xhuxk (xedd...), September 28th, 2005.


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Anna's in September 26, 2205 issue of People.Yeah, I read it; gotta keep up, yknow. "Nalick has toured almost nonstop since her debut CD, Wreck of the Day, came out in April." College student. But also "kicks off a headlining tour Oct. 6 and opens for Rob Thomas starting on Nov. 6," so headlining tour's more a tourette. I've seen the "Breathe" vid on VH-1 and on CMT's aforementioned "Wide Open Country"(with Mellanin, Crow, Truckers, Hootie, etc.) "On Meeting Rob Thomas: I rewrote matchbox twenty's "Push" when I was younger. I told him about it. He was like, 'That's awesome. Wait. When you were 12, you thought you could write my songs better than I could?'" Somebody had to tell him.
-- don (dmxz...), September 28th, 2005.

On the other hand, I would definitely take the totally morally conflicted Hope Partlow song where she makes out with her friend's boyfriend ("Sick Inside") over the Big&Rich song where John Rich makes out with his friend's girfriend ("Never Mind Me") any day. (That'd be the second or third best song on the Partlow album, behind the great "Crazy Summer Nights", tied with "Everywhere But Here," slightly above "Cold" and the Disney hit "Who We Are", which has a cool blues riff by the way. Also, "Let Me Try" sounds like a cross between David Johansen's "Flamingo Road" and Lionel Richie's "Three Times a Lady," sort of. She has a really ace band, whoever they are. I forgot her album when listing top 10 candidates above; right now, I'd put it somewhere below Lambert/Carter but above MIA/Fannypack, I think, though logically I can see why others might totally disagree. Bottom line is, I'd rather *listen* to it than MIA or Fannypack.)
-- xhuxk (xedd...), October 3rd, 2005.


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(Actually there's a good chance "Sick Inside" > "Cold" > "Who We Are" > "Everywhere But Here" , now that I think of it. But why nitpick?)
-- xhuxk (xedd...), October 3rd, 2005.

And speaking of noncountry singers whom we can talk about on this thread because Chuck talked here about someone whom she reminds me of, "Life After You" on the Brie Larson album is better than anything on the Hope Partlow - it starts with great sexy electro-disco oohs and ahs, similar to Pauline Rubio, then shifts effortlessly into a just-as-danceable Ashlee-Avril-Kelly-Marion I'm-over-you/I-will-flourish/I-will-survive brat-voiced bubblerock monster. The track is produced by the great Ric Wake, the man who helped invent Taylor Dayne and is usually the fellow working the dials on Celine Dion's best moments. The disco on the Brie Larson tends to fade after the second track, unfortunately, and the melodies plummet from "great" to "not bad, though there's another pretty good Ric Wake production (and a couple not so good) and a funny smart song about Brie's not getting along with her gym teacher (guess she doesn't want the gym teacher's perfume on her pillowcase, though she would like a C so she doesn't have to take the damn class anymore). Generally smart lyrics, mostly Brie-written. Promising. Exec. producer Tommy Mottola.
-- Frank Kogan (edcasua...), October 18th, 2005.

Actually, "Life After You" eventually sounds kind of "Smells Like Teen Spirit"! But I like Hope's "Crazy Summer Nights," which sounds kind of like "Jack and Diane," about a hundred times as much. Brie sounds good, though.

-- xhuxk (xedd...), October 19th, 2005.


I like the "Finally Out of P.E." song on Brie Larsen's album more than the "Life After You" song; the former's just way more distinctive. There's something really generic about the former that I can't put my finger on (just like there's something really generic about Kelly Clarkson's "Since U Been Gone", which I like a lot but don't love, that I can't put my finger on; nothing generic to me about Ashlee's "La La" or Hope's "Crazy Summer Nights" at all). I mean, in "Life After You," I *guess* I hear the Rubio ooh-ahh beats Frank's talking about, *when I listen really really really close for them,* but even then they seem incidental; they're not nearly as in bubbliciously in-your-face and effervescent as they'd be in a great Rubio track. Honestly, I don't really even buy the comparison. Sounds more like pretty run-of-the-mill Hillary Duff gurgling to me. Which, again, is fine; I *like* Hillary Duff. And I like this song, but I think I like any number of other Brie songs just as much. (Right now it sounds to me like the album really picks up in the middle -- "Done With Like" which I keep hearing as "Done With Life," "She Shall Remain Nameless" which seems to have some really good high school cultural map specifics in it, "She Said," etc. That could change, though. Either way, a really good album. Better than any album Hillary or the Bratz have made. But not Partlow, I don't think. Yet.)
-- xhuxk (xedd...), October 20th, 2005.


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I meant "something really generic about the LATTER (i.e, "Life After You") that I can't put my finger on." "Finally Got Out of P.E.," in its own way, is unprecedented, just like "Crazy Summer Nights" in its own way is unprecendented. "Life After You," as the laundry list of teen I-will-survivers Frank likened it to suggests, is anything but. (But of course the thing about generic music is that it's great if you love the genre. I get the idea Frank has more use for that genre than I do. I also think John Cougar was better than Taylor Dayne!)
-- xhuxk (xedd...), October 20th, 2005.

Btw, Hope Partlow is a tremendously gifted singer who makes everything sound easy and natural rather than capital-S "Spectacular," while actually what she does with her voice is rather spectacular, if only she'd make a spectacle of herself - which maybe she should, this being art and not life. I'm sure she'd be a good country singer if that's what she were to choose. In fact, she'd probably be a good anything singer, even death metal. As a stylist she's got a lot more sense and smarts than either Faith Hill or Celine Dion has (Celine's somewhat rooted in countrypolitan when she isn't being rooted in disco). Definitely in the pop-country range if she wants to be (where the Faith and the LeAnn play, and Cougar-style rockers worm their way midstream these days, and the skies are not cloudy all day except whenever LeAnn cries rivers).
I haven't played the Partlow enough for it to really sink in. The things is, what Partlow would choose if she could, it seems, is to be Lisa Stansfield: stylized mastery and control and all that, with maybe an extra freshness in her smooth glides, and certainly more boom from the kick drums and more kick from the snare drums (I prefer Mellancamp riffs to Norman Cook beats, when it comes to backing one's stylishness); but veering Adult Contemporary nonetheless, which will be her destination unless the bucks lead her elsewhere. That could be a drawback, though not necessarily (AC is hardly devoid of passion and rock these days); but so far my other problem with the Partlow album is my failure to love any of the songs. This could change with more listenings; a stylist who makes things easy often sneaks her passion in on you. I certainly appreciate the girl, but I'm not aching for her yet.

-- Frank Kogan (edcasua...), October 20th, 2005.

>kelly clarkson on mtv, the video that looked like some lost melodrama, all blonde on black, with heart break and a sort of undersung sadness/meloncholy...i dont remember the song, but how it was sung was more country and less girl singer, more lambert and less lohan...[anthony easton]
Could be either "Breakaway" or "Because of You" (the blonder of the two) either or which could be country with (or without) a few tweaks, as could Hope Partlow's "Crazy Summer Nights," if you want to vote for any of them.

-- Frank Kogan (edcasua...), December 28th, 2005.

Hope Partlow's "Girlfriend" - fast ZZ fizzies on the guitars. Another reason to consider the album country, though my favorite track is "Everywhere But Here," which is the least country/most teenpop feisty wail of a sad-happy I'm gone 'n' you'll miss me lament-triumph Ashlee-Lindsay-Lohan thing.
-- Frank Kogan (edcasua...), December 29th, 2005.


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I meant Ashlee-Kelly-Lohan thing. Otherwise, I'm being redundant.
-- Frank Kogan (edcasua...), December 29th, 2005.

xhuxk, Friday, 6 January 2006 14:32 (8 years ago) Permalink

P.S.) For whatever it's worth, Hope Partlow did not make my Pazz and Jop top 10 albums list (though she did make three other people's I am not allowed to divulge yet), and MIA and Fannypack did, contrary to what I predict up above. I may wind up regretting this. I did vote for "Crazy Summer Nights" (which isn't a single) as a single, though.

P.S.S.) I also liked the Hope 7 album last year. Which means, if nothing else, that 2005 was a *hopeful* year for U.S. teen-pop.

P.S.S.S.) So hey, whatever happened to Skye Sweetnam??

xhuxk, Friday, 6 January 2006 14:37 (8 years ago) Permalink

I like the keyboards in that Good Charlotte song, but man it's tuneless.

Eppy (Eppy), Thursday, 16 November 2006 16:47 (7 years ago) Permalink

To my complete and utter nonsurprise, the Plug Independent Music Awards nominees did not include Brooke Hogan's Undiscovered in the Album Of The Year category, nor did it include Meg & Dia's Something Real as Indie Rock Album, or Lil Jon as Male Artist Of The Year, or Scott Storch as Record Producer, or Grak's "Seven Nation Army" as Video, or much else that I'd nominated. The two exceptions were the Hold Steady album (on the ballot under Indie Rock) and ilX (under Music Website). Other nonfinalists I'd nominated included Simian Mobile Disco's "Hustler" (which I'd nominated for Video and for Song), Ms. Peachez "Fry That Chicken" (Video), Marion Raven (Metal Album), Pitbull's El Mariel (Hip-Hop), Brooke Hogan's "About Us" and Girl Authority's "Hollaback Girl" and Hi_Tack's "Say Say Say" (all under Song). Etc.

Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Friday, 17 November 2006 07:34 (7 years ago) Permalink

Brie Larson: savior of 'zine culture. Bunnies and Traps available for pre-order soon. And something about a webcam show that you have access to with your subscription.

NO WEB CAM YOU SAY?
no problem!

just hook up your video camera to your computer, along with headphone and a microphone(if you have it) and be happy, ya bitch.

THE PICO PICO SHOW WILL INCLUDE:
1.) Brie Larson.
2.) Costumes.
3.) Friends and fellow contributors(i.e. golie, travis, matt, sorry guys that I didn't tell you about it first, but you are doing it dammit! even if it costs me a tray of rice crispies with extra butter)
4.) Photos!
5.) Pictionary!
6.) Titties! ask darren for more info.

The reason I tell you about this now, my lovelies, is because this Zine will cost you a pretty penny. So start saving now and be part of the fun!

nameom (nameom), Friday, 17 November 2006 22:17 (7 years ago) Permalink

Tot rock song of the year is probably "Toilet Master" by Rock Jack. Kid burbles and babbles up and around the beat - probably a natural but I bet he practices, and seems to do his own lyrics. For accompaniment he's got the rare punk band with the throb of music within it.

Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Saturday, 18 November 2006 02:30 (7 years ago) Permalink

Indie moms = Soccer moms

Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Sunday, 19 November 2006 01:23 (7 years ago) Permalink

Ha ha, Lalena was Magnolia's coach last year, starting with the rock camp for girls! (AND she draws for the Wonder Pets, whose tree song Brie Larsen loved so much. Though apparently the episode they're working on this week has been about saving a chameleon instead.)

xhuxk (xheddy), Sunday, 19 November 2006 01:33 (7 years ago) Permalink

Actually, Magonolia, written about in the lead of that linkable-a-half-hour-ago-but-apparently-not-anymore-what-the-heck? Times piece that Frank linked to two posts above, are a two-girl spinoff band of Hellish Relish, who can be read about here:

http://suziblade.com/thecolorguard/Scraps.html

xhuxk (xheddy), Sunday, 19 November 2006 01:56 (7 years ago) Permalink

New Avril single, from the soundtrack to Eragon. Keep Holding On. It's...pleasant I guess. Sounds like a worse version of Kelly Clarkson. Actually, as I understand it "Breakaway" was originally written for her, and I guess this is what it would have turned out like if they had gone through with it. I like Kelly better. Still, not a bad song. Seems like she may be going "mature" now, but I actually kind of liked her in "bratty" mode better than "mature" mode.

Clips from three songs to appear on the upcoming album fromKatharine McPhee posted to one of her fansites. Kat was, despite her horrible inconsistency, my favorite of the contestants on American Idol 5. She was always classy and old-timey jazzy/bluesy on the show and so I had assumed they were going to go in that direction for the album. But it's very R&B-ish. "Open Toes" is pretty much standard fare current uptempo R&B, but pretty good. "Over It" is a ripoff of JoJo, but I again think it's a good song. "Each Other" is a white R&B ballad, kind of boring. Album could be successful or could be a huge flop, I'm not really sure at this point.

Greg Fanoe (JustFanoe), Monday, 20 November 2006 00:05 (7 years ago) Permalink

Hat tip to Popjustice.com Message Board for the Avril pointer, by the way.

Greg Fanoe (JustFanoe), Monday, 20 November 2006 13:29 (7 years ago) Permalink

Times link is working for me, but I'm registered with the Times. (In a few days the article might go pay only, however, which is what often happens after a week.)

Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Monday, 20 November 2006 19:27 (7 years ago) Permalink

I'm posting both the Radio Disney 50 most-played songs for last week and the Radio Disney Top 30 as posted on the Disney site today, to see what discrepancies there are. Mediabase claims that the KDIS playlist includes both currents and recurrents, but I'm guessing that some oldies are considered too old to be classified even as recurrents and therefore aren't listed at all, or something: that is, I don't believe "The Cha Cha Slide" gets fewer than six plays a week. (I tuned in a couple of nights ago, and there it was.) I'd guess that "Gonna Make You Sweat" gets more as well. Notice on the playlist there's a top tier (through song eight) with spins in the high 60s and 70s, and then we drop precipitously to spins in the low 30s, starting with song nine. Cheetahs seem not to have staying power, hurrah.

KDIS-AM
Los Angeles - 1110 AM (Radio Disney)
LW: Nov 4 - Nov 10 TW: Nov 11 - Nov 17 Updated: Sat Nov 18 2:18 PM PST

lw TW Artist Title spinsTW spinslw +/- Reach/Mill
2 1 HANNAH MONTANA If We Were A Movie 77 77 0 0.3417
4 2 VANESSA HUDGENS Come Back To Me 75 74 1 0.3349
1 3 ASHLEY TISDALE Kiss The Girl 75 78 -3 0.3163
3 4 JESSE MCCARTNEY Right Where You Want Me 74 75 -1 0.3155
5 5 JONAS BROTHERS Year 3000 73 73 0 0.3134
10 6 JONAS BROTHERS Poor Unfortunate Soul 72 32 40 0.299
7 7 HANNAH MONTANA I've Got Nerve 72 72 0 0.2963
6 8 HANNAH MONTANA Best Of Both Worlds 68 73 -5 0.2854
13 9 B5 Keep Your Head In The Game 33 30 3 0.1353
14 10 BOWLING FOR SOUP 1985 33 30 3 0.1481
24 11 NATASHA BEDINGFIELD Unwritten 32 26 6 0.1346
18 12 RIHANNA SOS 32 30 2 0.1359
19 13 ALY & A.J. Chemicals React 31 29 2 0.1284
9 14 JOJO Too Little Too Late 31 34 -3 0.1378
17 15 RIHANNA Pon De Replay 31 30 1 0.1267
23 16 CHEETAH GIRLS The Party's Just Begun 30 28 2 0.1273
22 17 CHEETAH GIRLS Amigas Cheetahs 29 28 1 0.1368
34 18 CHEETAH GIRLS Route 66 29 17 12 0.1265
8 19 HANNAH MONTANA Who Said 29 72 -43 0.1111
20 20 CHEETAH GIRLS Step Up 28 29 -1 0.1143
15 21 CHEETAH GIRLS Strut 28 30 -2 0.1232
16 22 HAYLIE DUFF Material Girl 28 30 -2 0.1232
21 23 HIGH SCHOOL MUSICAL We're All In This Together 28 29 -1 0.1156
29 24 DANIEL POWTER Bad Day 28 24 4 0.1263
12 25 ALY & A.J. Rush 27 30 -3 0.1295
28 26 CRAZY FROG Axel F 27 24 3 0.1069
96 27 ALY & A.J. Greatest Time Of Year 26 1 25 0.1244
11 28 CHRIS BROWN Yo (Excuse Me Miss) 26 31 -5 0.0942
27 29 BOWLING FOR SOUP High School Never Ends 24 25 -1 0.1074
30 30 CRAZY FROG We Are The Champions 22 23 -1 0.0943
25 31 EVERLIFE Find Yourself In You 22 26 -4 0.0833
32 32 HIGH SCHOOL MUSICAL Breaking Free 18 18 0 0.0833
31 33 BELINDA Why Wait 17 20 -3 0.0605
36 34 HIGH SCHOOL MUSICAL Start Of Something New 15 13 2 0.052
35 35 EVERLIFE Look Through My Eyes 14 17 -3 0.0591
-- 36 SMASH MOUTH So Insane 13 0 13 0.073
-- 37 SMASH MOUTH The Crawl 9 0 9 0.0434
37 38 B5 Who's Afraid Of The Big Bad Wolf 7 8 -1 0.0553
47 39 BLACK EYED PEAS Let's Get It Started 7 5 2 0.03
63 40 KELLY CLARKSON Walk Away 6 4 2 0.016
65 41 HANNAH MONTANA Pumpin' Up The Party 6 4 2 0.0288
54 42 NELLY Over And Over (f/Tim McGraw) 6 5 1 0.0178
67 43 SIMPLE PLAN Shut Up 6 4 2 0.0204
43 44 ASHLEE SIMPSON Boyfriend 6 6 0 0.0226
56 45 ASHLEE SIMPSON Pieces Of Me 6 5 1 0.0244
69 46 RAVEN SYMONE Backflip 6 4 2 0.0173
58 47 WEEZER Beverly Hills 6 5 1 0.0111
45 48 B5 Dance For You 5 5 0 0.0148
60 49 B5 U Got Me 5 4 1 0.0135
48 50 BOWLING FOR SOUP Almost 5 5 0 0.0219

This is the Radio Disney Top 30 as posted on its site today, though they played the list on-air yesterday morning, so I'm guessing the week runs either to the 17th or the 18th. I'm not sure how they compile the Top 30, but requests must have a lot to do with it. I've bolded anything that's at least 10 places lower than the airplay standings, italicized anything that's 10 places higher.

For November 20, 2006

1 2 Hannah Montana "If We Were a Movie"
2 1 Ashley Tisdale "Kiss the Girl"
3 8 Hannah Montana "Best of Both Worlds"
4 3 Vanessa Hudgens "Come Back to Me"
5 9 Jonas Brothers "Year 3000"
6 5 Hannah Montana "I Got Nerve"
7 7 Jesse McCartney "Right Where You Want Me"
8 4 Mr C The Slide Man "Cha Cha Slide"
9 12 Hannah Montana "Who Said"
10 20 Jesse McCartney "Beautiful Soul"
11 6 Jonas Brothers "Poor Unfortunate Souls"
12 13 Crazy Frog "Crazy Frog (Axel F)"
13 10 JoJo "Too Little, Too Late"
14 -- Cheetah Girls "Cinderella"
15 15 Hannah Montana "Pumpin' Up the Party"
16 -- Jonas Brothers "Mandy"
17 11 Bowling For Soup "1985"
18 28 Hampton the Hampster "Hampsterdance Song"
19 21 High School Musical Cast "We're All In This Together"
20 24 Cheetah Girls "Amigas Cheetahs"
21 16 Aly and AJ "Rush"
22 26 Akon "Lonely"
23 debut Hilary Duff "Material Girl"
24 27 Aly and AJ "Chemicals React"
25 -- B5 "Get'cha Head In The Game"
26 18 Troy and Gabriella "Breaking Free"
27 23 Rihanna "S.O.S."
28 19 B5 "Who's Afraid of the Big Bad Wolf"
29 25 Cheetah Girls "The Party's Just Begun"
30 17 Cheetah Girls "Step Up"

I was assuming that most of the bold would be Disney product and most of the italics would be non-Disney. The numbers I get for BOLD are Disney 4, non-Disney 1. The numbers I get for italics are Disney 4, non-Disney 5. This is not as strong a result as I'd expected, esp. since I'm guessing that the non-Disney "Cha Cha Slide" is getting uncounted airplay. Also, notice some non-Disney product that's getting airplay but not making the site list (Tashbed, Powter). But then again, "Strut" and "Route 66" are Disney product that's in the Top 30 in airplay but isn't making the Disney chart. Basically, the Cheetahs are getting more airplay than requests, and that's the difference, if my assumption is correct about how they compile the site's Top 30 (but notice that "Cinderella" is an exception, getting more requests than airplay).

(Um, are the Hilary and Haylie versions of "Material Girl" different recordings, or is that a mistake?)

Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Monday, 20 November 2006 19:31 (7 years ago) Permalink

I like "Keep Holding On" but not nearly as much as the slow wailers like "Unwanted" on the first Avril album. I'd classify "Keep Holding On" as a power ballad, which is the sort of thing that can fall on either side of the "maturity/immaturity" demarcation (or the "young/old" demarcation, anyway).

Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Monday, 20 November 2006 19:41 (7 years ago) Permalink

Of the two McPhees I downloaded, I way prefer the JoJo rip ("Over It") to the Beyoncé stutter-toe workout ("Open Toes"); the latter isn't bad at all, and there are good insertions of harmony and lots of wails and melismas, but I don't know how it'll stand out from the pack. In "Over It" I'm not hearing a distinctive voice, but it's got the same exquisite sad prettiness as "Too Little Too Late," which must not be easy to do or more people would do it. We'll see how the song holds up. She says on her blog that she's working with Babyface, though I don't know if she worked with him on those two tracks.

Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Monday, 20 November 2006 20:16 (7 years ago) Permalink

I'm liking Jesse McCartney's "Right Where You Want Me," which reminds me of *NSync, year 2000, Timberlake's braying-goat period (a sound I enjoy).

Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Monday, 20 November 2006 20:22 (7 years ago) Permalink

"Material Girl" is both of them together.

Thanks for posting both lists, I checked both today and didn't see huge discrepancies, but the Cheetah Girls gap suggests that the online votes aren't tampered with (which probably wouldn't be too hard to do).

nameom (nameom), Monday, 20 November 2006 22:26 (7 years ago) Permalink

1 month passes...
OK, I'm officially starting the rolling teenpop 2007 thread, so post all further comments there.

Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Thursday, 4 January 2007 02:42 (7 years ago) Permalink


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