― Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Thursday, 5 January 2006 20:44 (ten years ago) Permalink
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― Eppy (Eppy), Thursday, 5 January 2006 20:46 (ten years ago) Permalink
I find this pleasing.
― Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Thursday, 5 January 2006 20:48 (ten years ago) Permalink
Seems to me that in the UK new teenpop acts are few and far between at the moment, the pendulum is perceived to have swung and launches are all solo acts from groups or proven winners from somewhere else.
― Tom (Groke), Thursday, 5 January 2006 20:48 (ten years ago) Permalink
Would someone provide a URL for Smash Hits radio?
(I was once on the Smash Hits masthead, albeit the Australian one.)
― Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Thursday, 5 January 2006 20:52 (ten years ago) Permalink
The "Smash Hits Chart" is weird, it may be a year-end or ringtone list, or it may be that Tony Christie and the Crazy Frog are still the favourites.
― Tom (Groke), Thursday, 5 January 2006 20:53 (ten years ago) Permalink
(Maybe other teenpop does this too, I'm not saying it's just a UK thing, though I recognise the tradition in the UK)
― Tom (Groke), Thursday, 5 January 2006 20:55 (ten years ago) Permalink
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― Eppy (Eppy), Thursday, 5 January 2006 21:02 (ten years ago) Permalink
Amy Diamond - What's In It For Me?
― edward o (edwardo), Thursday, 5 January 2006 21:11 (ten years ago) Permalink
― Hillary Brown (Hillary Brown), Thursday, 5 January 2006 21:12 (ten years ago) Permalink
― pdf (Phil Freeman), Thursday, 5 January 2006 21:12 (ten years ago) Permalink
― Hillary Brown (Hillary Brown), Thursday, 5 January 2006 21:23 (ten years ago) Permalink
interesting point about the supposed Girls Aloud target audience. post teen, Heat, T4 i see the drill. possibly the biggest consumers in repect to surplus cash and from my experience seems to be the audience you'd most associate with alot of the top 40 albums of the year thou not of course all http://www.coolclarity.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=58888 no girls aloud but interestingly no frank fergusons oh and38 The War of the Worlds - Jeff Wayne 446,000
back to teen pop the stuff i really liked last year that was teen pop was the sort of attempts of find a girl Busted, the teleological grail of all that is good, The Faders, Kim Lian and Lovebites especially The Lovebites but the teens said no it seems, perhaps sixth forms (moshercore! nmindie!) and "life style" (what girls aloud portray but James Blunt is actually a part of?) are more appealing than songs about beating up boyfriends and so forth.
― pscott (elwisty), Thursday, 5 January 2006 21:26 (ten years ago) Permalink
― Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Thursday, 5 January 2006 21:50 (ten years ago) Permalink
I believe the kids still really like the pop punk, if I can judge by my 13-year-old half sister.
― Hillary Brown (Hillary Brown), Thursday, 5 January 2006 21:54 (ten years ago) Permalink
― Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Thursday, 5 January 2006 21:58 (ten years ago) Permalink
I've good feelings about this track, so far.
― Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Thursday, 5 January 2006 21:58 (ten years ago) Permalink
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― George the Animal Steele, Thursday, 5 January 2006 22:17 (ten years ago) Permalink
Yep. She had that Lustra song ("Scotty Doesn't Know") from Eurotrip up on her MySpace page for a while. (Sidebar: I think that song rocks.)
Also, they like the Yellowcard, I believe.
Some of that stuff is bad and boring, and some of it is foot-tappy and cute.
― Hillary Brown (Hillary Brown), Thursday, 5 January 2006 22:21 (ten years ago) Permalink
Chuck "I still haven't heard Robyn or Rachel Stevens or Girls Aloud, though though I want to. What's so great about them again?" Eddy, man, I'm happily anticipating the joy that awaits you. Not so much with Rachel - her few singles are fantastic (plus of course, 'Crazy Boys') but the albums really haven't endured in the same way that GA's 'What Would the Neighbours Say?' and 'Chemistry' have. And Robyn's Robyn works.
One thing, is that the new younger Emma Roberts/ Aly and AJ (who I believed to be teenpop antichrists pre- Rush) are remarkable in how LESS/ emptier their sounds are; watered down, less commited to either rocking or popping or punking out at all.
Lilix, they haven't been dropped yet? Bad songs.
The new Hilary stuff - as I tried to discuss in a convaluted mess with cis and Lex (?) was how neatly she's shifted from the grrl-rock game, now Ashlee and Lindsay are there, and into the electro 80s synth sounds, appropriating the Killers elements rather than Avril. Which, if 'Beat of my heart' is to be judged, and 'wake up', seems a smart move. The earlier 'come clean' era was good, but I'm liking the new shift. Didn't the Maddens produce those Most Wanted bonus tracks?
McFly - Dadrock indeed, only their aesthetic is bemusing now too, looking at the '5 colours' era to their latest video which was very '2002 nu-metal alienation graphics' - not at all teenpop looking, more grey suits and flat hair.
― Abby (abby mcdonald), Thursday, 5 January 2006 22:29 (ten years ago) Permalink
Has she really shifted genres, though? Or is it just some '80s electro accoutrements on the same style songs? Listening to the clip of "Wake up" on iTunes makes me wonder.
― Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Thursday, 5 January 2006 22:37 (ten years ago) Permalink
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― DoG67, Friday, 6 January 2006 03:37 (ten years ago) Permalink
1 TONY CHRISTIE FT PETER KAY (IS THIS THE WAY TO) AMARILLO 2 CRAZY FROG AXEL F 3 JAMES BLUNT YOU'RE BEAUTIFUL 4 MCFLY ALL ABOUT YOU/YOU'VE GOT A FRIEND 5 SHANYE WARD THAT’S MY GOAL 6 AKON LONELY 7 PUSSYCAT DOLLS FT BUSTA RHYMES DON'T CHA 8 WESTLIFE YOU RAISE ME UP 9 2PAC FT ELTON JOHN GHETTO GOSPEL 10 MADONNA HUNG UP 11 DANIEL POWTER BAD DAY 12 SUGABABES PUSH THE BUTTON 13 MARIO LET ME LOVE YOU 14 NELLY FT TIM MCGRAW OVER AND OVER 15 SNOOP DOGG/WILSON/TIMBERLAKE SIGNS 16 NATALIE IMBRUGLIA SHIVER 17 GORILLAZ FEEL GOOD INC 18 MARIAH CAREY WE BELONG TOGETHER 19 BODYROCKERS I LIKE THE WAY 20 SCISSOR SISTERS FILTHY/GORGEOUS 21 BLACK EYED PEAS DON'T PHUNK WITH MY HEART 22 ROBBIE WILLIAMS TRIPPING 23 CHARLOTTE CHURCH CRAZY CHICK 24 COLDPLAY SPEED OF SOUND 25 WILL SMITH SWITCH 26 GWEN STEFANI FT EVE RICH GIRL 27 KEANE THIS IS THE LAST TIME 28 JENNIFER LOPEZ GET RIGHT 29 CORAL IN THE MORNING 30 UNITING NATIONS OUT OF TOUCH 31 LEMAR IF THERE'S ANY JUSTICE 32 OASIS THE IMPORTANCE OF BEING IDLE 33 GREEN DAY BOULEVARD OF BROKEN DREAMS 34 STEREOPHONICS DAKOTA 35 SUNSET STRIPPERS FALLING STARS 36 GORILLAZ DARE 37 GREEN DAY WAKE ME UP WHEN SEPTEMBER ENDS 38 OASIS LYLA 39 50 CENT CANDY SHOP 40 BLACK EYED PEAS DON'T LIE 41 KELLY CLARKSON SINCE U BEEN GONE 42 EMINEM LIKE TOY SOLDIERS 43 USHER CAUGHT UP 44 U2 SOMETIMES YOU CAN'T MAKE IT ON YOUR OWN 45 AMERIE 1 THING 46 ROB THOMAS LONELY NO MORE 47 SEAN PAUL WE BE BURNIN' 48 MVP ROC YA BODY (MIC CHECK 1 2) 49 RIHANNA PON DE REPLAY 50 GWEN STEFANI COOL This is the Smash Hits Chart compiled
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Well, with nine shopping days left until Pazz & Jop, I'm in the midst of what's always equivalent to the Bataan death march an end-of-year delight, which is to reevaluate my favorite records of the year for possible poll ranking, and trying to catch up on the many records I've missed. To report on the latter endeavor:Madonna - I love the single, hate the rest of it. Lindsay Lohan - I hate the single, love the rest of it. (Isn't this what fundamentalists urge us to do: hate the single but love the singer?) Kelly Clarkson - way better than Christgau says it is, of course, but I can hear how incipient Faithisms and Celinetudes could weigh it down for him (and even for me, to some extent). Tatu - finely flimsied Europop at its finest, which surprises me (not the flimsiness or the Europop, but the fineness, since the single they emerged with several years ago had struck me as finely diced dime-a-dozen Europop and I didn't believe the hype; maybe the difference is no Trevor Horn this time).
-- Frank Kogan (edcasua...), December 17th, 2005. (Frank Kogan)
Let's see, in the previous post I should have deleted the comma after "ranking" and changed "and trying to" to "and try to"; and I should have changed "way better than" to "far better than," so that the sentence wouldn't have been weighed down by a surfeit of "ways" and "weighs."
But to relate these albums to the putative subject matter of this thread:
Madonna wore a cowboy hat on the cover of her previous CD, which has nothing to do with the new album, or with the previous either, as far as I could tell, but here she is and I'm talking about her. The new CD is even duller than the others she's put out in the last fifteen years, which shocks me though probably shouldn't have, but I had hopes for this thing because (1) I love the single, and (2) I'd liked chief collaborator Stuart Price's Les Rythmes Digitales album from 1999 enough to have put it on my Pazz & Jop ballot (after which I totally forgot about him and it until seeing some ILM discussion several weeks ago lauding his subsequent career remixing any and everything under pseudonyms such as Jacques La Cont, Thin White Duke, Zoot Woman, Pour Homme, Paper Faces, Man With Guitar).
So the single samples the riff from Abba's "Gimme Gimme a Man After Midnight," putting it in a beautiful setting and when the riff is absent giving a beautiful texture to the chords. And the rest of the album has equally beautiful textures, and wonderful troughs and swells whenever a song transitions from verse to chorus or chorus to verse or verse to break. What it doesn't have is a single melody worth transitioning too, anywhere, except for that one Abba riff on track one. So you end up with soggy high-class mood music, all the beautiful swells and stuff just weighing everything down - er, wait, I mean, hold on, I can't use "weigh" again, um, dragging everything down? drenching everything up? (Oh, I don't know.) Her voice makes the tracks draggy too, I don't know why; it's the sort that needs a melody, not an atmosphere, I guess. "Hate" is probably an exaggeration - no, it isn't, I really don't like the thing, but I'll admit there are musically worthy moments. The obnoxious "I Love New York" song is as stupid as Joan Morgan says in her Voice review (she loved the album except for this track) but is actually one of the few signs of life, probably because it cops the chord pattern to Iggy's "I Wanna Be Your Dog" (an odd riff for a Detroit chick to use in a tribute to New York, given that the Stooges' home base was Ann Arbor, but maybe she or Price didn't notice the resemblance to "Dog").
Maybe I'm listening wrong and can come to hear it differently.
Ah, Lindsay. Her voice is a loose blat in comparison to Ashlee's tough little battering ram, and so far she hasn't pulled her music together as powerfully as Ashlee has; but the loose blat and the woman's basic Lohanicity make everything feel playful no matter how devastated or introspective she thinks she's being. The band sounds like it's having a rollicking good time. This is probably inaccurate - my copy has no album credits, but I assume that rather than a band there's just some guy doing overdub upon overdub, which is how most of these things are made. Some spirit is in this. (Strange if the tenth spot on my P&J list comes down to who is more fun: Lindsay Lohan or the Hold Steady. Craig Finn of the Hold Steady clobbers her in the category throw-you-to-the-floor funny lyrics ("Tramps like us and we like tramps"!), not too mention basic goofiness of vocal delivery, but she scores high on general pizzazz and ongoing shamelessness. Speaking of which, remember when words like "pizzazz" and "shameless" pertained to Madonna?But to get bring us back to this thread, the best song on the Lohan, "I Live for the Day," matches "Kerosene" in virulence if not in stompability: "I live for the day, I live for the night, that you will be desperate and dying inside." (Glad to see that Lindsay has found a purpose in life) (though this was one of the songs she didn't co-write [writer's credits are available at allmusic.com].) And there's a meta moment worthy of Big & Rich where at the start of a the title, "A Little More Personal," she and a producer (or someone) are arguing over whether songs should have spoken intros (Lindsay in favor of them because they make the record a little more personal). But I kinda don't think Big & Rich will ever begin a song by singing: "God won't talk to me. I guess she's pretty busy." Or if they do, it won't get on the radio.
(My rationalization for posting this here is that by exploring what noncountry can and can't do, this tells us something about what country can and can't do. My real reason is that this is a more congenial thread than most to post on. And more fun.)
Close parenthesis after "pertained to Madonna?" And "at the start of a the title" should be, "at the start of the title song."
Kelly Clarkson - She's someone who could conceivably jump to country if she wanted to, since several of her songs (esp. "Breakaway") aren't far from the basic land of pop-country crossover, if she were ever to choose it. I don't think she knows yet which genre she'll settle into. She's playing big on CHR pop and adult contemporary so she'll probably continue offering the loud-bright-rock-and-gentle-ballad combo special. As of now she wants wall of guitars on her wailing choruses, which is something country has yet to allow.
She's got a love-is-the-drug my-love-for-you-is-toxic song (called "Addicted," appropriately enough) that is more flat-out pained and less knowing than you'd get in the country equivalents (or in Sheryl's or Britney's, for that matter): "It's like you're a leech, sucking the life from me/It's like I can't breathe without you inside of me."
the first time i felt like i was invading, that i was engaging in something inapporite, that seemed too personal, too raw for public consumption in a v v long time, was the artless but heartbreaking video for lohan's too personal. it was harder to consume than any of the confessional singer songwriter shit that i engaged in, and was liminal b/w public and private personae in a way that seemed genuinely transgressive/taboo breaking.
not in the sense of oh my god this is so shocking (ie the ultra conceptual madonna of like a prayer) but in the sense of leave the poor girl alone, hasnt she suffered enough...
its something i dont have the crtical vocab for--and it doesnt matter if its nto v. good musically (and it isnt)--strangely enough, that overshare personal detail stuff seems to come in two places, girl pop (and i hear it in the shangri las, in the crystals, in other places) and in country--and the only place i felt it this year was in my inital reaction to the awful mindy mccready situtaion. (ie:finally we have tammy back)
does that a) make me a bad personb) make sense
-- anthony easton (anthonyeasto...), December 18th, 2005. (anthony)
― Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Friday, 6 January 2006 04:12 (ten years ago) Permalink
Another interesting topic might be the way that country utilizes the child-abuse trope. Child abuse has been the subject of songs (T. Graham Brown "Which Way to Pray": "A little girl down on her knees/Saying 'Now I lay me down to sleep/Lord bless us with a happy home/And please make daddy leave me alone'"). Hank Snow had been an abused child, and he spoke out about child abuse, but as far as I know (which isn't very) he didn't make it an integral part of his image. Whereas in modern teenpop - Pink, Ashlee, Lindsay - singing about their suffering (don't know if there was abuse or just the usual divorce and/or abandonment) is an integrity move, something that's supposed to give songs and singers depth. (Which doesn't mean that it isn't gutsy, especially Pink's Missundaztood!. Ashlee's "Shadow" is a powerful song, but there are things in it that feel wrong to me.)
(This year on P&J's abandoned child front, M.I.A.'s said that she entitled her album "Arular" (which is her dad's political alias, just as "Lenin" was Vladimer Ilyich Ulyanov's poltical alias) in the hope that he'd see it and get in touch with her. That was one reason, anyway.)
-- Frank Kogan (edcasua...), December 19th, 2005. (Frank Kogan)
Listening to Linsay Lohan now. Kinda thinking that way too much of it sounds like the single! The Cheap Trick cover is okay. I like the new wave synthesizers in "A Little More Personal." Beyond that, I dunno. I definitely I think I prefer Linsay more when she's LESS personal. (Oh wait, "If You Were Me" is on now. What a bouncy little bassline:) But she may have no more business doing ballads than Gretchen Wilson.
I really liked a disco song Hilary Duff did last year that Metal Mike sent me the video of, but I forget its name. Thought both of her actual albums were okay, but not okay enough to keep them. Never heard the greatest hits CD. May still have a soundtrack that's half songs by her and half songs by other people in the storage garage.
-- xhuxk (xedd...), December 19th, 2005.
There could also be a goth influence on country via Stevie Nicks (he says as Lindsy Lohan's seemingly quite good "Edge of 17" cover plays) or via Metallica (as in, say, harmonies on the first Big&Rich album). (What as Kim Carnes's and Bonnie Tyler's connection to goth, anyway?) -- xhuxk (xedd...), December 19th, 2005.
but which teenager doesnt over share, the adults around her should say something about it no? we keep forgetting with the tits, and the voice, that lohan is still basically a child.
-- anthony easton (anthonyeasto...), December 19th, 2005. (anthony)
"Who Loves You" on Linsay's album bounces too! I just may need to take more time with all those big bloated confessional slow ones.(I really know nothing about her life, so I'm staying out of that discussion. She was really entertaining in *Mean Girls,* however.)
(By the way, speaking of lives, Frank, you know Ashlee supposedly collapsed after a show in Asia late last week, right? Last I heard, on Saturday I think, she was still being hospitalized. Hope she's OK.)
Lindsay is old enough to join the Marines! Old enough to fight, old enough to direct your own video, I say. (I really don't know enough about the biz to know how such decisions are made.) -- Frank Kogan (edcasua...), December 20th, 2005. (Frank Kogan)
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-- Frank Kogan (edcasua...), December 20th, 2005. (Frank Kogan)
(Ashlee's back in the U.S. with her family. Official reason for the collapse is exhaustion.) -- Frank Kogan (edcasua...), December 20th, 2005. (Frank Kogan)
>I really liked a disco song Hilary Duff did last year that Metal Mike sent me the video of, but I forget its name.<
'Twas "Wake Up."
-- xhuxk (xedd...), December 21st, 2005.
(By the way, if anybody's interested, Lindsay Lohan does "I Want You To Want Me" better than Cheap Trick ever did. It was never even close to one of their best songs, I've always thought, but then again, not until now did I ever notice what a great line "I'll get home early from work if you'll say that you want me" is. Getting home early from work is such an important thing in everyday life! Lindsay singing that line hit me the second time through. I've heard the Cheap Trick version thousands of times, probably, and the line never grabbed me.) -- xhuxk (xedd...), December 23rd, 2005.
Also, the bassline in "Fastlane" comes from "Roxanne" by the Police! -- xhuxk (xedd...), December 23rd, 2005.
Now I'm up to Hilary Duff. Never in the course of human events have so many melodies been lavished on such a tiny voice.
Well, for the Churchillian effect I wanted I should have said, "Never in the field of human artistry was so much melody lavished by so many on such a tiny voice."-- Frank Kogan (edcasua...), December 24th, 2005. (Frank Kogan)
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― Hillary Brown (Hillary Brown), Friday, 6 January 2006 13:35 (ten years ago) Permalink
In terms of Max Martin rock action, let us not forget The Veronicas' awesome "4 Eva".
― Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Friday, 6 January 2006 13:54 (ten years ago) Permalink
Anyway. *Come Get It: The Very Best of Aaron Carter.* More fun than the Backstreet Boys's best of album? Maybe, I'm not sure. Best tracks: "Bounce," "A.C.'s Alien Nation," "To All the Girls," "Another Earthquake" (which was his pop-punk move, apparently; never knew he had one). Fun: "Aaron's Party (Come Get It)" (a "Parents Just Don't Understand" rip which I reviewed in a singles column in the voice several years ago), "My Internet Girl," "I Want Candy," "Oh Aaron." Still pretty bad, though justifiable for its ridiculousness: "That's How I Beat Shaq." Missing: "Iko Iko"; he covered that right? Maybe people thought including it would be offensive in the wake of Katrina?
I heard the Veronicas album a couple months ago (listened to it to write a show preview of their New York show), and thought it was ok, not all that distinctive, and wound up trading it in. Should I not have? (I think I probably thought it wasn't teen-pop *enough.* Though I vaguely remember the singer vaguely reminding me of Joan Jett once.)
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holy shit, stop the presses, on the stereo right now: 1982 john cougar song of the year: "crazy summer nights" by hope paltrow. sorry, silvertide, you just got beat!! (has metal mike heard this yet? he will spit out his diet pepsi for sure!!)(okay, that had nothing to do with country, i guess. but i had to say it.)
-- xhuxk (xedd...), July 25th, 2005. Oh, you were asking about Anna Nalick: she's 21, did "Breathe(2 A.M.)" -- don (dmxz...), September 28th, 2005.
Is she considered country, pop, r&b, or what?Also, who is Emma Roberts? Just got the CD in the mail; she appears Nickelodeon connected. (Also appears to have nothing to do with country music, but who cares.) It wouldn't play in my computer; gotta take it home I guess. But I really like these song titles: "Punch Rocker," "Say Goodbye to Jr. High," "94 Weeks (Metal Mouth Freak)," "Dummy," "Mexican Wrestler," "New Shoes"! I wonder if Shania has heard that last song. I already want her to be the next Skye Sweetnam or at least Hope Partlow, but she probably isn't, I dunno.
-- xhuxk (xedd...), September 28th, 2005.
Anna's in September 26, 2205 issue of People.Yeah, I read it; gotta keep up, yknow. "Nalick has toured almost nonstop since her debut CD, Wreck of the Day, came out in April." College student. But also "kicks off a headlining tour Oct. 6 and opens for Rob Thomas starting on Nov. 6," so headlining tour's more a tourette. I've seen the "Breathe" vid on VH-1 and on CMT's aforementioned "Wide Open Country"(with Mellanin, Crow, Truckers, Hootie, etc.) "On Meeting Rob Thomas: I rewrote matchbox twenty's "Push" when I was younger. I told him about it. He was like, 'That's awesome. Wait. When you were 12, you thought you could write my songs better than I could?'" Somebody had to tell him. -- don (dmxz...), September 28th, 2005.
On the other hand, I would definitely take the totally morally conflicted Hope Partlow song where she makes out with her friend's boyfriend ("Sick Inside") over the Big&Rich song where John Rich makes out with his friend's girfriend ("Never Mind Me") any day. (That'd be the second or third best song on the Partlow album, behind the great "Crazy Summer Nights", tied with "Everywhere But Here," slightly above "Cold" and the Disney hit "Who We Are", which has a cool blues riff by the way. Also, "Let Me Try" sounds like a cross between David Johansen's "Flamingo Road" and Lionel Richie's "Three Times a Lady," sort of. She has a really ace band, whoever they are. I forgot her album when listing top 10 candidates above; right now, I'd put it somewhere below Lambert/Carter but above MIA/Fannypack, I think, though logically I can see why others might totally disagree. Bottom line is, I'd rather *listen* to it than MIA or Fannypack.) -- xhuxk (xedd...), October 3rd, 2005.
(Actually there's a good chance "Sick Inside" > "Cold" > "Who We Are" > "Everywhere But Here" , now that I think of it. But why nitpick?) -- xhuxk (xedd...), October 3rd, 2005.
And speaking of noncountry singers whom we can talk about on this thread because Chuck talked here about someone whom she reminds me of, "Life After You" on the Brie Larson album is better than anything on the Hope Partlow - it starts with great sexy electro-disco oohs and ahs, similar to Pauline Rubio, then shifts effortlessly into a just-as-danceable Ashlee-Avril-Kelly-Marion I'm-over-you/I-will-flourish/I-will-survive brat-voiced bubblerock monster. The track is produced by the great Ric Wake, the man who helped invent Taylor Dayne and is usually the fellow working the dials on Celine Dion's best moments. The disco on the Brie Larson tends to fade after the second track, unfortunately, and the melodies plummet from "great" to "not bad, though there's another pretty good Ric Wake production (and a couple not so good) and a funny smart song about Brie's not getting along with her gym teacher (guess she doesn't want the gym teacher's perfume on her pillowcase, though she would like a C so she doesn't have to take the damn class anymore). Generally smart lyrics, mostly Brie-written. Promising. Exec. producer Tommy Mottola. -- Frank Kogan (edcasua...), October 18th, 2005.
Actually, "Life After You" eventually sounds kind of "Smells Like Teen Spirit"! But I like Hope's "Crazy Summer Nights," which sounds kind of like "Jack and Diane," about a hundred times as much. Brie sounds good, though.
-- xhuxk (xedd...), October 19th, 2005.
I like the "Finally Out of P.E." song on Brie Larsen's album more than the "Life After You" song; the former's just way more distinctive. There's something really generic about the former that I can't put my finger on (just like there's something really generic about Kelly Clarkson's "Since U Been Gone", which I like a lot but don't love, that I can't put my finger on; nothing generic to me about Ashlee's "La La" or Hope's "Crazy Summer Nights" at all). I mean, in "Life After You," I *guess* I hear the Rubio ooh-ahh beats Frank's talking about, *when I listen really really really close for them,* but even then they seem incidental; they're not nearly as in bubbliciously in-your-face and effervescent as they'd be in a great Rubio track. Honestly, I don't really even buy the comparison. Sounds more like pretty run-of-the-mill Hillary Duff gurgling to me. Which, again, is fine; I *like* Hillary Duff. And I like this song, but I think I like any number of other Brie songs just as much. (Right now it sounds to me like the album really picks up in the middle -- "Done With Like" which I keep hearing as "Done With Life," "She Shall Remain Nameless" which seems to have some really good high school cultural map specifics in it, "She Said," etc. That could change, though. Either way, a really good album. Better than any album Hillary or the Bratz have made. But not Partlow, I don't think. Yet.) -- xhuxk (xedd...), October 20th, 2005.
I meant "something really generic about the LATTER (i.e, "Life After You") that I can't put my finger on." "Finally Got Out of P.E.," in its own way, is unprecedented, just like "Crazy Summer Nights" in its own way is unprecendented. "Life After You," as the laundry list of teen I-will-survivers Frank likened it to suggests, is anything but. (But of course the thing about generic music is that it's great if you love the genre. I get the idea Frank has more use for that genre than I do. I also think John Cougar was better than Taylor Dayne!) -- xhuxk (xedd...), October 20th, 2005.
Btw, Hope Partlow is a tremendously gifted singer who makes everything sound easy and natural rather than capital-S "Spectacular," while actually what she does with her voice is rather spectacular, if only she'd make a spectacle of herself - which maybe she should, this being art and not life. I'm sure she'd be a good country singer if that's what she were to choose. In fact, she'd probably be a good anything singer, even death metal. As a stylist she's got a lot more sense and smarts than either Faith Hill or Celine Dion has (Celine's somewhat rooted in countrypolitan when she isn't being rooted in disco). Definitely in the pop-country range if she wants to be (where the Faith and the LeAnn play, and Cougar-style rockers worm their way midstream these days, and the skies are not cloudy all day except whenever LeAnn cries rivers).I haven't played the Partlow enough for it to really sink in. The things is, what Partlow would choose if she could, it seems, is to be Lisa Stansfield: stylized mastery and control and all that, with maybe an extra freshness in her smooth glides, and certainly more boom from the kick drums and more kick from the snare drums (I prefer Mellancamp riffs to Norman Cook beats, when it comes to backing one's stylishness); but veering Adult Contemporary nonetheless, which will be her destination unless the bucks lead her elsewhere. That could be a drawback, though not necessarily (AC is hardly devoid of passion and rock these days); but so far my other problem with the Partlow album is my failure to love any of the songs. This could change with more listenings; a stylist who makes things easy often sneaks her passion in on you. I certainly appreciate the girl, but I'm not aching for her yet.
-- Frank Kogan (edcasua...), October 20th, 2005.
>kelly clarkson on mtv, the video that looked like some lost melodrama, all blonde on black, with heart break and a sort of undersung sadness/meloncholy...i dont remember the song, but how it was sung was more country and less girl singer, more lambert and less lohan...[anthony easton]Could be either "Breakaway" or "Because of You" (the blonder of the two) either or which could be country with (or without) a few tweaks, as could Hope Partlow's "Crazy Summer Nights," if you want to vote for any of them.
-- Frank Kogan (edcasua...), December 28th, 2005.
Hope Partlow's "Girlfriend" - fast ZZ fizzies on the guitars. Another reason to consider the album country, though my favorite track is "Everywhere But Here," which is the least country/most teenpop feisty wail of a sad-happy I'm gone 'n' you'll miss me lament-triumph Ashlee-Lindsay-Lohan thing. -- Frank Kogan (edcasua...), December 29th, 2005.
I meant Ashlee-Kelly-Lohan thing. Otherwise, I'm being redundant. -- Frank Kogan (edcasua...), December 29th, 2005.
― xhuxk, Friday, 6 January 2006 14:32 (ten years ago) Permalink
P.S.S.) I also liked the Hope 7 album last year. Which means, if nothing else, that 2005 was a *hopeful* year for U.S. teen-pop.
P.S.S.S.) So hey, whatever happened to Skye Sweetnam??
― xhuxk, Friday, 6 January 2006 14:37 (ten years ago) Permalink
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― Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Friday, 17 November 2006 07:34 (ten years ago) Permalink
NO WEB CAM YOU SAY?no problem!
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THE PICO PICO SHOW WILL INCLUDE:1.) Brie Larson.2.) Costumes.3.) Friends and fellow contributors(i.e. golie, travis, matt, sorry guys that I didn't tell you about it first, but you are doing it dammit! even if it costs me a tray of rice crispies with extra butter)4.) Photos!5.) Pictionary!6.) Titties! ask darren for more info.
The reason I tell you about this now, my lovelies, is because this Zine will cost you a pretty penny. So start saving now and be part of the fun!
― nameom (nameom), Friday, 17 November 2006 22:17 (ten years ago) Permalink
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Clips from three songs to appear on the upcoming album fromKatharine McPhee posted to one of her fansites. Kat was, despite her horrible inconsistency, my favorite of the contestants on American Idol 5. She was always classy and old-timey jazzy/bluesy on the show and so I had assumed they were going to go in that direction for the album. But it's very R&B-ish. "Open Toes" is pretty much standard fare current uptempo R&B, but pretty good. "Over It" is a ripoff of JoJo, but I again think it's a good song. "Each Other" is a white R&B ballad, kind of boring. Album could be successful or could be a huge flop, I'm not really sure at this point.
― Greg Fanoe (JustFanoe), Monday, 20 November 2006 00:05 (ten years ago) Permalink
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KDIS-AMLos Angeles - 1110 AM (Radio Disney)LW: Nov 4 - Nov 10 TW: Nov 11 - Nov 17 Updated: Sat Nov 18 2:18 PM PST
lw TW Artist Title spinsTW spinslw +/- Reach/Mill2 1 HANNAH MONTANA If We Were A Movie 77 77 0 0.34174 2 VANESSA HUDGENS Come Back To Me 75 74 1 0.33491 3 ASHLEY TISDALE Kiss The Girl 75 78 -3 0.31633 4 JESSE MCCARTNEY Right Where You Want Me 74 75 -1 0.31555 5 JONAS BROTHERS Year 3000 73 73 0 0.313410 6 JONAS BROTHERS Poor Unfortunate Soul 72 32 40 0.2997 7 HANNAH MONTANA I've Got Nerve 72 72 0 0.29636 8 HANNAH MONTANA Best Of Both Worlds 68 73 -5 0.285413 9 B5 Keep Your Head In The Game 33 30 3 0.135314 10 BOWLING FOR SOUP 1985 33 30 3 0.148124 11 NATASHA BEDINGFIELD Unwritten 32 26 6 0.134618 12 RIHANNA SOS 32 30 2 0.135919 13 ALY & A.J. Chemicals React 31 29 2 0.12849 14 JOJO Too Little Too Late 31 34 -3 0.137817 15 RIHANNA Pon De Replay 31 30 1 0.126723 16 CHEETAH GIRLS The Party's Just Begun 30 28 2 0.127322 17 CHEETAH GIRLS Amigas Cheetahs 29 28 1 0.136834 18 CHEETAH GIRLS Route 66 29 17 12 0.12658 19 HANNAH MONTANA Who Said 29 72 -43 0.111120 20 CHEETAH GIRLS Step Up 28 29 -1 0.114315 21 CHEETAH GIRLS Strut 28 30 -2 0.123216 22 HAYLIE DUFF Material Girl 28 30 -2 0.123221 23 HIGH SCHOOL MUSICAL We're All In This Together 28 29 -1 0.115629 24 DANIEL POWTER Bad Day 28 24 4 0.126312 25 ALY & A.J. Rush 27 30 -3 0.129528 26 CRAZY FROG Axel F 27 24 3 0.106996 27 ALY & A.J. Greatest Time Of Year 26 1 25 0.124411 28 CHRIS BROWN Yo (Excuse Me Miss) 26 31 -5 0.094227 29 BOWLING FOR SOUP High School Never Ends 24 25 -1 0.107430 30 CRAZY FROG We Are The Champions 22 23 -1 0.094325 31 EVERLIFE Find Yourself In You 22 26 -4 0.083332 32 HIGH SCHOOL MUSICAL Breaking Free 18 18 0 0.083331 33 BELINDA Why Wait 17 20 -3 0.060536 34 HIGH SCHOOL MUSICAL Start Of Something New 15 13 2 0.05235 35 EVERLIFE Look Through My Eyes 14 17 -3 0.0591-- 36 SMASH MOUTH So Insane 13 0 13 0.073-- 37 SMASH MOUTH The Crawl 9 0 9 0.043437 38 B5 Who's Afraid Of The Big Bad Wolf 7 8 -1 0.055347 39 BLACK EYED PEAS Let's Get It Started 7 5 2 0.0363 40 KELLY CLARKSON Walk Away 6 4 2 0.01665 41 HANNAH MONTANA Pumpin' Up The Party 6 4 2 0.028854 42 NELLY Over And Over (f/Tim McGraw) 6 5 1 0.017867 43 SIMPLE PLAN Shut Up 6 4 2 0.020443 44 ASHLEE SIMPSON Boyfriend 6 6 0 0.022656 45 ASHLEE SIMPSON Pieces Of Me 6 5 1 0.024469 46 RAVEN SYMONE Backflip 6 4 2 0.017358 47 WEEZER Beverly Hills 6 5 1 0.011145 48 B5 Dance For You 5 5 0 0.014860 49 B5 U Got Me 5 4 1 0.013548 50 BOWLING FOR SOUP Almost 5 5 0 0.0219
This is the Radio Disney Top 30 as posted on its site today, though they played the list on-air yesterday morning, so I'm guessing the week runs either to the 17th or the 18th. I'm not sure how they compile the Top 30, but requests must have a lot to do with it. I've bolded anything that's at least 10 places lower than the airplay standings, italicized anything that's 10 places higher.
For November 20, 2006
1 2 Hannah Montana "If We Were a Movie"2 1 Ashley Tisdale "Kiss the Girl"3 8 Hannah Montana "Best of Both Worlds"4 3 Vanessa Hudgens "Come Back to Me"5 9 Jonas Brothers "Year 3000"6 5 Hannah Montana "I Got Nerve"7 7 Jesse McCartney "Right Where You Want Me"8 4 Mr C The Slide Man "Cha Cha Slide"9 12 Hannah Montana "Who Said"10 20 Jesse McCartney "Beautiful Soul"11 6 Jonas Brothers "Poor Unfortunate Souls"12 13 Crazy Frog "Crazy Frog (Axel F)"13 10 JoJo "Too Little, Too Late"14 -- Cheetah Girls "Cinderella"15 15 Hannah Montana "Pumpin' Up the Party"16 -- Jonas Brothers "Mandy"17 11 Bowling For Soup "1985"18 28 Hampton the Hampster "Hampsterdance Song"19 21 High School Musical Cast "We're All In This Together"20 24 Cheetah Girls "Amigas Cheetahs"21 16 Aly and AJ "Rush"22 26 Akon "Lonely"23 debut Hilary Duff "Material Girl"24 27 Aly and AJ "Chemicals React"25 -- B5 "Get'cha Head In The Game"26 18 Troy and Gabriella "Breaking Free"27 23 Rihanna "S.O.S."28 19 B5 "Who's Afraid of the Big Bad Wolf"29 25 Cheetah Girls "The Party's Just Begun"30 17 Cheetah Girls "Step Up"
I was assuming that most of the bold would be Disney product and most of the italics would be non-Disney. The numbers I get for BOLD are Disney 4, non-Disney 1. The numbers I get for italics are Disney 4, non-Disney 5. This is not as strong a result as I'd expected, esp. since I'm guessing that the non-Disney "Cha Cha Slide" is getting uncounted airplay. Also, notice some non-Disney product that's getting airplay but not making the site list (Tashbed, Powter). But then again, "Strut" and "Route 66" are Disney product that's in the Top 30 in airplay but isn't making the Disney chart. Basically, the Cheetahs are getting more airplay than requests, and that's the difference, if my assumption is correct about how they compile the site's Top 30 (but notice that "Cinderella" is an exception, getting more requests than airplay).
(Um, are the Hilary and Haylie versions of "Material Girl" different recordings, or is that a mistake?)
― Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Monday, 20 November 2006 19:31 (ten years ago) Permalink
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― Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Monday, 20 November 2006 20:22 (ten years ago) Permalink
Thanks for posting both lists, I checked both today and didn't see huge discrepancies, but the Cheetah Girls gap suggests that the online votes aren't tampered with (which probably wouldn't be too hard to do).
― nameom (nameom), Monday, 20 November 2006 22:26 (ten years ago) Permalink
― Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Thursday, 4 January 2007 02:42 (nine years ago) Permalink