― Leee (Leee), Thursday, 30 October 2003 21:21 (twenty years ago) link
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 30 October 2003 21:22 (twenty years ago) link
― Nicolars (Nicole), Thursday, 30 October 2003 21:23 (twenty years ago) link
― Leee (Leee), Thursday, 30 October 2003 21:24 (twenty years ago) link
― nickalicious (nickalicious), Thursday, 30 October 2003 21:24 (twenty years ago) link
― strongo hulkington's ghost (dubplatestyle), Thursday, 30 October 2003 21:25 (twenty years ago) link
Only these 10 picks suck arse. Everything else istop-notch, thanks1
Kudos for boosting Ride and James, two bands that never getenough respect.
― squirlplise, Thursday, 30 October 2003 21:26 (twenty years ago) link
It does, but I was bringing personal baggage to that statement (again). SAW II upsets me. It puts me in a strange place, whereas SAW I puts me in a happy place.
― Kenan Hebert (kenan), Thursday, 30 October 2003 21:27 (twenty years ago) link
― Felcher (Felcher), Thursday, 30 October 2003 21:28 (twenty years ago) link
Oops.
I understand the idea of it being "your favorites," but in that area, I'd recommend listening to more hip hop before ranking PM Dawn at 26.
I suppose I'm crazy to ask the whereabouts of Midnight Mauraders, Stress: Extinction Agenda, The Chronic, 36 Chambers, Liquid Swords, Only Built 4 Cuban Linx, Mecca and the Soul Brother, Pharcyde, ANY Gang Starr album, Digable Planets, Doggystyle, Black Bastards, Funcrusher Plus, Vagina Diner, Runaway Slave, The Infamous, Aquemini, Ready To Die, Supreme Clientele, Reasonable Doubt, We Can't Be Stopped, Amerikkka's Most Wanted, Death Certificate, Fear of a Black Planet, Apocalypse 91, Endtroducing, etc. etc. etc....
― ddrake, Thursday, 30 October 2003 21:29 (twenty years ago) link
― ddrake, Thursday, 30 October 2003 21:31 (twenty years ago) link
Lars, tis oh so wrong. Let me count the ways....
― Nichole Graham (Nichole Graham), Thursday, 30 October 2003 21:31 (twenty years ago) link
I don't think you do get the concept.
― Nicolars (Nicole), Thursday, 30 October 2003 21:32 (twenty years ago) link
― Leee (Leee), Thursday, 30 October 2003 21:32 (twenty years ago) link
no. it may have large prof, but this stinks.
― gaz (gaz), Thursday, 30 October 2003 21:33 (twenty years ago) link
― Leee (Leee), Thursday, 30 October 2003 21:33 (twenty years ago) link
RIMSHOT! [pun intended!]
― M Matos (M Matos), Thursday, 30 October 2003 21:34 (twenty years ago) link
I'm quite positive I do.He's reviewing hip hop from a rock critic's perspective - thus all the criticisms of Jim Dero for considering PM Dawn to be the height of hip hop...
"no. it may have large prof, but this stinks."
Nonsense.Akinyele is good shit."I luh her" is classic.
― ddrake, Thursday, 30 October 2003 21:35 (twenty years ago) link
― gaz (gaz), Thursday, 30 October 2003 21:37 (twenty years ago) link
I actually do like some individual songs (and much to my surprise, have all the albums still) but I have never understood or felt a connection to the abject worship.
SAW II upsets me. It puts me in a strange place
Precisely why I love it so.
I suppose I'm crazy to ask the whereabouts of...
I actually own about...*counts*...twelve, thirteen of those on that list and have heard most of the rest. I would include Ready to Die on a revised list at least (Tupac, no). Entroducing is a fantastic and wonderful goth album.
Biggest flaw in the list is that Ned doesn't go off into infinity re: "Mogwai Fear Satan."
That would take a while.
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 30 October 2003 21:38 (twenty years ago) link
But then, he wouldn't need to rate the other 135. Since that list also has diamonds from DM and Pulp in there, that would be a travesty.
― Nichole Graham (Nichole Graham), Thursday, 30 October 2003 21:41 (twenty years ago) link
You're looking for more abject formalism in my approach than I ever intended, for a start.
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 30 October 2003 21:43 (twenty years ago) link
Wrongo.
― Nicolars (Nicole), Thursday, 30 October 2003 21:43 (twenty years ago) link
― J0hn Darn1elle (J0hn Darn1elle), Thursday, 30 October 2003 21:45 (twenty years ago) link
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 30 October 2003 21:46 (twenty years ago) link
― ddrake, Thursday, 30 October 2003 21:49 (twenty years ago) link
Explain yourself.
...used to have but sold (don't much care for any more): 6, 16, 24...used to have but lost (wouldn't might having again): 8...still have but rarely listen to: 53, 85...still have and like: 86
...have never owned and probably never will: pretty much the rest
Conclusion: Not much overlap with my tastes.
― o. nate (onate), Thursday, 30 October 2003 21:50 (twenty years ago) link
― Curt1s St3ph3ns, Thursday, 30 October 2003 21:51 (twenty years ago) link
It's called 'opinion,' see... (While I see what you're trying to get at, might I also note that I could argue that 'if you knew the cultural and musical history behind British created rock and roll then you would see that blah blah blah,' but I would also sound pretty goddamn ridiculous.)
haha, Tweezerland
I just love that mistake! I refuse to correct it.
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 30 October 2003 21:52 (twenty years ago) link
Main Entry: 1sub·jec·tive Pronunciation: (")s&b-'jek-tivFunction: adjectiveDate: 15th century1 : of, relating to, or constituting a subject : as a obsolete : of, relating to, or characteristic of one that is a subject especially in lack of freedom of action or in submissiveness b : being or relating to a grammatical subject; especially : NOMINATIVE2 : of or relating to the essential being of that which has substance, qualities, attributes, or relations3 a : characteristic of or belonging to reality as perceived rather than as independent of mind : PHENOMENAL -- compare OBJECTIVE 1b b : relating to or being experience or knowledge as conditioned by personal mental characteristics or states4 a (1) : peculiar to a particular individual : PERSONAL (2) : modified or affected by personal views, experience, or background b : arising from conditions within the brain or sense organs and not directly caused by external stimuli c : arising out of or identified by means of one's perception of one's own states and processes -- compare OBJECTIVE 1c5 : lacking in reality or substance : ILLUSORY- sub·jec·tive·ly adverb- sub·jec·tive·ness noun- sub·jec·tiv·i·ty /-"jek-'ti-v&-tE/ noun ― Nicolars (Nicole), Thursday, 30 October 2003 21:53 (twenty years ago) link
― Nicolars (Nicole), Thursday, 30 October 2003 21:53 (twenty years ago) link
See, but I don't think it is particularly ridiculous. I think if someone wanted to really understand music, they would make some sort of attempt at learning the backgrounds of other groups and cultures. What made you decide to listen to the music that you have listed here? A certain number of socioeconomic, cultural and geographic and era-based influences. Different factors went into it - largely who you've discussed music with and the people you learned about music from. I'd advocate learning about other musical forms from the ground up - evaluating them based on the aesthetic by which they are judged by those who are a part of the culture, and THEN bringing your own bias into it, rather than deciding based on a preconcieved set of notions about "good" music. I certainly don't consider myself to be a picture of this judgement myself - I basically listen to Jazz and hip hop, and am learning about other music now (I just heard Can for the first time the other day) - but on the other hand, I'm not the one creating the big-ass list.
Of course, I suppose these kinds of lists are going to be suggestive of what you've been exploring musically...but if you HAVE heard these albums, my question is - why do you think it is that you feel Oasis is the better band?
Oh, and Nicolars - look up, something just flew over your head.
― ddrake, Thursday, 30 October 2003 21:59 (twenty years ago) link
― Nicolars (Nicole), Thursday, 30 October 2003 22:01 (twenty years ago) link
― Chris Ott (Chris Ott), Thursday, 30 October 2003 22:01 (twenty years ago) link
― strongo hulkington's ghost (dubplatestyle), Thursday, 30 October 2003 22:02 (twenty years ago) link
― Chris Ott (Chris Ott), Thursday, 30 October 2003 22:04 (twenty years ago) link
― strongo hulkington's ghost (dubplatestyle), Thursday, 30 October 2003 22:05 (twenty years ago) link
I think it's closer than that.
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 30 October 2003 22:07 (twenty years ago) link
― Chris Ott (Chris Ott), Thursday, 30 October 2003 22:07 (twenty years ago) link
― strongo hulkington's ghost (dubplatestyle), Thursday, 30 October 2003 22:10 (twenty years ago) link
― Felcher (Felcher), Thursday, 30 October 2003 22:10 (twenty years ago) link
If you're suggesting I am this person, you are wrong-o.I post as djdee2005 on sound opinions.I'm not trying to get in a fight hear.Just bouncing ideas around.People need to relax.
"What caused you to think that, Jess? And do you think there's an inherent value to a particular music simply because it was made by black people?"
I hope this isn't directed at me in some way...because this is far from what I'm suggesting.
― ddrake, Thursday, 30 October 2003 22:10 (twenty years ago) link
What a clever unintentional pun.
― ddrake, Thursday, 30 October 2003 22:11 (twenty years ago) link
― Felcher (Felcher), Thursday, 30 October 2003 22:12 (twenty years ago) link
Sure do!
Good god. I just read that, didn't I.
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 30 October 2003 22:12 (twenty years ago) link
― strongo hulkington's ghost (dubplatestyle), Thursday, 30 October 2003 22:13 (twenty years ago) link
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 30 October 2003 22:13 (twenty years ago) link
"Good god. I just read that, didn't I."
Tongue firmly planted in cheek sir.
― ddrake, Thursday, 30 October 2003 22:13 (twenty years ago) link
― Felcher (Felcher), Thursday, 30 October 2003 22:13 (twenty years ago) link
As for Beatles there is absolutely NOTHING about Boyzone to make themdeserve a comparision to The Fab Four.
Never EVER has ONE single Beatles member EVER written something that iseven remotely close to a MOR ballad. Paul McCartney is into clever chordchanges, and has always been able to stay away from the cliches always usedby the likes of Boyzone.
― Nicolars (Nicole), Thursday, 30 October 2003 22:14 (twenty years ago) link
in clicking on that Pitchfork individual writers' lists, I see that though I voted in it (and submitted a list), it has been excised entirely. written out of the anals of pfork history, i guess.
― beta blog, Wednesday, 6 October 2010 01:25 (thirteen years ago) link
the anals of pitchfork
― call all destroyer, Wednesday, 6 October 2010 01:42 (thirteen years ago) link
why y'all be google-proofin' all over this thread?
― Mr. Snrub, Wednesday, 6 October 2010 01:52 (thirteen years ago) link
book idea: 500 best bands of independent music by editors and writers of pitchfork, as well as guests from the independent music scene-- other editors/writers, band members, record store/label owners, etc. To range from 70s-00s (maybe 60s?). Each artist's entry would rate each of the band's albums, and include a few paragraph talking about the band's history. Core group of writers would split some of the profit. Others-- band members, etc.-- would lend Top 10 lists for sidebars, histories of major events or turning points for various genres, etc. (and possibly write some entries) as a favor.publish "concise edition" of pitchfork archive as large book-like magazine (such as "independent musician's resource") run with advertisements, update yearly, beginning with 2003advantages:++content already there!self-publish, sell through website (more $$)charge near-book ($8.95?) prices― Ryan Schreiber, Friday, January 17, 2003 9:19 AM (a wicked long time ago)
publish "concise edition" of pitchfork archive as large book-like magazine (such as "independent musician's resource") run with advertisements, update yearly, beginning with 2003
advantages:++content already there!self-publish, sell through website (more $$)charge near-book ($8.95?) prices
― Ryan Schreiber, Friday, January 17, 2003 9:19 AM (a wicked long time ago)
― cee-oh-tee-tee, Wednesday, 6 October 2010 02:31 (thirteen years ago) link
in clicking on that Pitchfork individual writers' lists, I see that though I voted in it (and submitted a list), it has been excised entirely. written out of the anals of pfork history, i guess.― beta blog
― beta blog
Just curious, who are you?
― I'm gonna mention ilxor in everyone of my posts until I get dn'd (ilxor), Wednesday, 6 October 2010 03:47 (thirteen years ago) link
Someone with an unbelievable voicemail from me blown six stories high.
― cee-oh-tee-tee, Wednesday, 6 October 2010 12:02 (thirteen years ago) link
god, i wish. changing phone companies meant losing that "restraining order-worthy" voicemail.
ilxor, try google.
― beta blog, Wednesday, 6 October 2010 15:27 (thirteen years ago) link
25. Organized Konfusion - Stress: The Extinction Agenda dunno how this measures up to the debut, which is really solid
shakey it more than measures up, classic shit iMO
― 50.bison (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 6 October 2010 15:29 (thirteen years ago) link
Gotcha. Hi there!
xp
― I'm gonna mention ilxor in everyone of my posts until I get dn'd (ilxor), Wednesday, 6 October 2010 15:50 (thirteen years ago) link
Dude I'm sorry about that for what it's worth. I hope you found the headspace to laugh it off.
― cee-oh-tee-tee, Thursday, 7 October 2010 00:35 (thirteen years ago) link
no worries. i'm more pissed that i didn't make an mp3 of it for the internet to enjoy.
― beta blog, Thursday, 7 October 2010 15:52 (thirteen years ago) link
I'm sure this has been covered on one of the Disco Inferno threads but I'm interested to know how highly Ned rates Technicolour? I know he and most people seem to prefer DI Goes Pop but having In Debt in the list and not Technicolour is really surprising. I really rate DI Goes Pop but I love Technicolour so much more.
I was shocked to see Menswe@r so high. I was obsessed with that band at the time even to the point where I bought the second album. I recently put Nuisance on and was disappointed at how much I wanted to skip.
― Kitchen Person, Thursday, 7 October 2010 16:20 (thirteen years ago) link
I really rate DI Goes Pop but I love Technicolour so much more.
^^
― I'm gonna mention ilxor in everyone of my posts until I get dn'd (ilxor), Thursday, 7 October 2010 16:28 (thirteen years ago) link
Technicolour is what it is. I feel strangely neutral about it.
― Ned Raggett, Thursday, 7 October 2010 16:50 (thirteen years ago) link
OMG this thread.
― Tim F, Tuesday, 29 November 2016 12:31 (seven years ago) link
Memories, corners of mind.
― Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 29 November 2016 12:37 (seven years ago) link