Aja has more technical stuff than most of these books (as it should, tbh) but i don't feel it gets bogged down by that if you're not interested in it, there's also a lot of passion and personality in it.
Armed Forces one is very good but the author probably should've just let the alphabetical organization thing behind in an earlier draft.
― some dude, Thursday, 17 May 2012 01:22 (1 year ago) Permalink
Of the ones I've read, 20 Jazz Funk Greats sets the standard. But I haven't gotten to the celebrated Celine Dion yet.
― Träumerei, Thursday, 17 May 2012 01:27 (1 year ago) Permalink
I've had the Celine on a shelf for a couple of years too.
Some I can remember reading from Scik's list:
13 Live at the Apollo -James Brown 1963 Douglas Wolk
This one is just magnificent, great writing and wildly ambitious for the economical space – cramming analysis of the highly-edited album, Brown’s career, development of the songs, actual full-length live takes and wide, wide cultural allusions.
24 Endtroducing..... -DJ Shadow 1996 Eliot Wilder
This is simply one long interview with Shadow, basically a good, uncut Uncut feature rather than either a book or detailed sample-nerdery text.
30 Paul's Boutique -Beastie Boys 1989 Dan Le Roy
REALLY good magazine style piece that leans heavily on interviews with people around the band at the time (aiming to do this more than quote other contemporary journalism), but no contact with the band.
56 Master of Reality -Black Sabbath 1971 John Darnielle
This is an epistolary novella, and is absolutely fantastic. Combines the author’s own life and employment experience with love of the genre to make a short sharp blast of writing about how the record speaks to an important element of its audience.
59 Gentlemen -The Afghan Whigs 1993 Bob Gendron
Way too skimpy – tries to cram a potted biography of the band in, then cover this rich album in too few pages. Not bad as such though – I would totally have read two sequels on Black Love and 1965.
66 One Step Beyond... - Madness 1979 Terry Edwards
Session trumpeter writing from a fan perspective, with a hefty page count. If you have to choose between reading this and watching Take It Or Leave It, the latter probably has more insight.
69 69 Love Songs -The Magnetic Fields 1999 LD Beghtol
Aims to be as arch and genre-playful as the album itself, being largely a glossary of terms, semi-largely a rundown on each song with members and friends of the band, small-ly an interview with Merritt, and minorly a crossword, iirc. Also includes frequent instructions to consult a detailed website for further information, which has been broken for about five of the six years the book has been out.
71 It Takes a Nation of Millions to Hold Us Back -Public Enemy 1988 Christopher R. Weingarten
Really slapdash – has no or almost no contact with any personnel, AFAIR, and so feels more like a 1980s-style cuttings-bio with ambitions. Hey, it’s sampling, maan! The ambitions are largely sampled from other sources, too, though – there’ll be occasional attempts at scraping in wider cultural references like Wolk did (say a several page digression into Wattstax, or something), peripatetic outbursts of cod-Dave-Tompkins, and such. A real letdown coming after that amazing, rich, and so much briefer piece in Wax Poetics.
― ┗|∵|┓ (sic), Thursday, 17 May 2012 02:58 (1 year ago) Permalink
Can someone give me a thumbnail of why Led Zeppelin IV and Use Your Illusion are so good? I'm not much of a Zeppelin fan and I've never even heard the G'n'R record but I'm assuming from all the recommendations that there's something more to these books.
― Get wolves (DL), Thursday, 17 May 2012 09:13 (1 year ago) Permalink
Most of the ones I've read have been good but I'd pick these as my absolute favourites:
10 Sign “☮” the Times - Prince 1987 Michaelangelo Matos29 In the Aeroplane over the Sea- Neutral Milk Hotel 1998 Kim Cooper30 Paul's Boutique -Beastie Boys 1989 Dan Le Roy32 There's a Riot Goin' On -Sly and the Family Stone 1971 Miles Marshall Lewis36 Loveless -My Bloody Valentine 1991 Mike McGonigal38 Bee Thousand - Guided by Voices 1994 Marc Woodworth56 Master of Reality -Black Sabbath 1971 John Darnielle
Anyone read the Beefheart one?
― Gavin, Leeds, Thursday, 17 May 2012 09:26 (1 year ago) Permalink
Whoops, meant to include this one too:
― Gavin, Leeds, Thursday, 17 May 2012 09:28 (1 year ago) Permalink
I've ordered Low, Paul's Boutique, and Loveless as a birthday present to myself.
― Sick Mouthy (Scik Mouthy), Thursday, 17 May 2012 11:23 (1 year ago) Permalink
I've read 50 of the books. Some of my favorites have been mentioned already (Master of Reality, Sign O the Times, Low, Live at the Apollo, In the Aeroplane..., 69 Love Songs). Two others that I really enjoyed, that I don't think have been mentioned - Pretty Hate Machine (great focus on fan culture and understanding fandom) and Exile on Main Street (nothing super revelatory in it, but he does a great job describing the music itself, what it sounds like).
I'm not generally a fan of the straight-ahead 'making of the album' ones, or most of the fiction ones (I did kind of like the Rid of Me one). And often the ones I like the least are about the albums I like the most - Bee Thousand and Swordfishtrombones, especially.
― erasingclouds, Thursday, 17 May 2012 14:59 (1 year ago) Permalink
I will rep for the Tribe book, re-read it recently after seeing the film documentary and enjoyed it better second time around.
― Dick Move's Wardrobe (MaresNest), Thursday, 17 May 2012 15:08 (1 year ago) Permalink
20 Jazz Funk Greats is my favourite book on music after Giles Smith's Lost in Music. Otherwise I've only read the Master of Reality one (superb) and the Abba Gold one (not worth more than the 50p it cost me tbh).
― Blue Collar Retail Assistant (Dwight Yorke), Thursday, 17 May 2012 18:09 (1 year ago) Permalink
Not sure how familiar you are with Erik Davis' work, but he writes a lot about pop mysticism. His book on Zep IV isn't really about the band at all (thankfully), but about how the album has become a talisman of low-brow occult symbology. It's also howlingly funny.
The book on Piper At The Gates Of Dawn is great because it side-steps the obligatory "Syd was crazy you know" stories for a pretty detailed analysis of how the album was put together.
― Vini Reilly Invasion (Elvis Telecom), Thursday, 17 May 2012 21:09 (1 year ago) Permalink
Least favorite book of all is the Murmur one. Frustratingly so too... Just could not get engaged with the writing at all.
― Vini Reilly Invasion (Elvis Telecom), Thursday, 17 May 2012 21:10 (1 year ago) Permalink
yeah i liked the piper one -- some good interviews w/ people around the periphery of the floyd scene of that time.
― tylerw, Thursday, 17 May 2012 21:11 (1 year ago) Permalink
The latest list has been narrowed down to 94 potential titles:
― Position Position, Friday, 1 June 2012 17:44 (1 year ago) Permalink
Diamanda Galas Malediction and Prayer
haaa, unless they've got a ringer for this one, we've got a new contender for lowest selling 33 1/3.
― tylerw, Friday, 1 June 2012 17:49 (1 year ago) Permalink
Either it's a typo, or 2112 simply cannot be contained in a single volume. I'm betting the latter.
― Tarfumes The Escape Goat, Friday, 1 June 2012 17:54 (1 year ago) Permalink
Fingers crossed for Replicas, Wee Tam and Beauty & The Beat!
― but he go's to a resturang and then die in a toilet (Jon Lewis), Friday, 1 June 2012 17:56 (1 year ago) Permalink
There were multiple proposals for 2112. Maybe they haven't decided which way to go.
― EZ Snappin, Friday, 1 June 2012 18:05 (1 year ago) Permalink
and this one : Nocturnal Emissions Spiritflesh
― rusty_allen, Friday, 1 June 2012 18:06 (1 year ago) Permalink
i like that nocturnal emissions album. its a good one.
― scott seward, Friday, 1 June 2012 18:08 (1 year ago) Permalink
Nocturnal Emissions: Spiritflesh by Stephen King
― tylerw, Friday, 1 June 2012 18:13 (1 year ago) Permalink
jesus, arular already?
― jump them into a gang - into the absurd (forksclovetofu), Friday, 1 June 2012 19:16 (1 year ago) Permalink
I looove that Nocturnal Emissions record, one of my favorites of theirs.
― sleeve, Friday, 1 June 2012 19:51 (1 year ago) Permalink
Can anyone rep for the Master of Reality tome?
― calstars, Friday, 1 June 2012 19:56 (1 year ago) Permalink
oh, god yes. excellent sort of fiction. one of the best ones in the series, imo
― epigram addict (outdoor_miner), Friday, 1 June 2012 20:40 (1 year ago) Permalink
Yeah, don't delay on Master Of Reality. It shreds.
― but he go's to a resturang and then die in a toilet (Jon Lewis), Friday, 1 June 2012 21:20 (1 year ago) Permalink
I read the Loveless one this morning. It was pretty good.
― Sick Mouthy (Scik Mouthy), Friday, 1 June 2012 22:27 (1 year ago) Permalink
mine didn't make the cut. :(
i enjoyed 'master of reality' a lot, but drew daniel's '20 jazz funk greats' is my favorite book from the series that i've read so far. i think someone said this already, but the 'village green' book is like a really good, long article in mojo -- not gonna blow your mind or anything, but strong research and lots of good quotes from most of the band members (except ray, IIRC).
― (The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Friday, 1 June 2012 23:03 (1 year ago) Permalink
I'd be curious enough to read Bat out of Hell and 2112, stepping stones to the gargantuan Mellon Collie & the Infinite Sadness volume I'm waiting for.
― Träumerei, Friday, 1 June 2012 23:51 (1 year ago) Permalink
I really hope they do a Fugazi one someday.
― Walter Galt, Saturday, 2 June 2012 14:27 (1 year ago) Permalink
There was a whole load of these in a local charity shop... one of those upmarket charity shops which are actually more expensive than most non-charity shops. Bought the "Village Green" one.
― Charles Kennedy Jumped Up, He Called 'Oh No'. (Tom D.), Saturday, 2 June 2012 14:34 (1 year ago) Permalink
Would read the heck out of Donuts, 2112 and Back In The DHSS. Meantime tho? zzzzzzzz
― MaresNest, Saturday, 2 June 2012 15:27 (1 year ago) Permalink
I'd really like to know who wrote the other 2112 proposal. Ultimately seems a good sign that both made it.
― Nate Carson, Saturday, 2 June 2012 17:00 (1 year ago) Permalink
Fear of Music reviewed in tomorrow's NYT; the critic incorrectly says Lethem saw Stop Making Sense in 1982.
― go down on you in a thyatrr (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 2 June 2012 17:04 (1 year ago) Permalink
Finished Fear Of Music a few weeks back. i guess I'm not a Lethem fan because I was annoyed with the writing about halfway through.
― Pacific Rinko (Capitaine Jay Vee), Saturday, 2 June 2012 19:51 (1 year ago) Permalink
― go down on you in a thyatrr (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, June 2, 2012 1:04 PM (2 hours ago) Bookmark
the writer stopped making sense in 2012 then, har har har
keep looking at the 94 potential titles and trying to find something, anything to get excited about and it's kinda hard. look at how fucking corny the selection of hip hop albums is:
The Pharcyde Bizarre Ride II the PharcydeJ Dilla DonutsOutkast StankoniaKanye West My Beautiful Dark Twisted FantasyEminem The Slim Shady LPDanger Mouse The Grey AlbumJay-Z The BlueprintThe Game The DocumentaryInsane Clown Posse The Great MilenkoDrake Thank Me LaterLauryn Hill The Miseducation of Lauryn HillJay-Z The Blueprint
― kel ler/pharmacists (some dude), Saturday, 2 June 2012 19:57 (1 year ago) Permalink
Anyone have a shelf of these and want to share a pic? I read ebooks these days but this is one series that I would love to collect paperbacks of.
― calstars, Saturday, 2 June 2012 20:05 (1 year ago) Permalink
Well, outside of the Danger Mouse, The Game, Drake, and Kanye selections I would probably read about all the rest of those. I think, a solid author provided, a good story could be pulled from the rest of them - particularly Slim Shady LP, Donuts, and Pharcyde.
― heated debate over derpy hooves (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Saturday, 2 June 2012 20:06 (1 year ago) Permalink
yeah there's definitely some good albums in there that could inspire worthwhile books, but the spectrum of that selection is stiflingly "rap that rock critics like"
― kel ler/pharmacists (some dude), Saturday, 2 June 2012 20:16 (1 year ago) Permalink
What rap albums wouldn't be "rap that rock critics like" though? The Great Milenko btw haha.
― Fig On A Plate Cart (Alex in SF), Saturday, 2 June 2012 20:23 (1 year ago) Permalink
there's a whole canon of countless albums revered by rap fans that don't have the same kind of cachet with rock critics (often different albums by the same artists)
― kel ler/pharmacists (some dude), Saturday, 2 June 2012 20:38 (1 year ago) Permalink
They also probably don't have the same cachet with readers of 33 1/3 books either.
― Fig On A Plate Cart (Alex in SF), Saturday, 2 June 2012 20:47 (1 year ago) Permalink
ehh nevermind, this is the circular conversation that's happened on ILM a thousand times before, "music writers focus on the same tired canon because that's what people who read about music tend to be interested in, the snake eats its tail, nothing every changes" etc.
― kel ler/pharmacists (some dude), Saturday, 2 June 2012 20:49 (1 year ago) Permalink
No no I definitely see your point. Looking over the list it IS very "these were big Pazz N Jop favs". I guess I'm just wondering how obscure you'd have to go to avoid that and whether or not the people who buy these books (or check em out from the library) would even be interested in them.
― Fig On A Plate Cart (Alex in SF), Saturday, 2 June 2012 20:54 (1 year ago) Permalink
(xp)The endless inner groove of a 33 1/3 record.
― Ian Hunter Is Learning the Game (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 2 June 2012 20:55 (1 year ago) Permalink
Hip-hop doesn't really do "reclamation" projects does it? Trying to think if there is something equivalent to Big Star or the Velvet Underground or whatever where it was basically largely ignored upon release and then suddenly everyone goes "ohmigod this was IT, lets reissue, write books, hail the forgotten influence, etc."
― Fig On A Plate Cart (Alex in SF), Saturday, 2 June 2012 21:00 (1 year ago) Permalink
hahaha, I think UGK alone could disprove that thesis
― The Reverend, Saturday, 2 June 2012 21:03 (1 year ago) Permalink
Not really sure how. It's not like Ridin Dirty was some completely unheard masterpiece (it sold pretty well on release IIRC). And it was guesting on a Jay-Z track that blew them up not people revisiting their old stuff and suddenly finding time for them.
― Fig On A Plate Cart (Alex in SF), Saturday, 2 June 2012 21:12 (1 year ago) Permalink
i would say maybe the majority of rap albums regarded as classics grew into that status gradually, lot of things that seemed to everybody like perfectly good or unremarkable workaday records started to feel significant given how big the artist became or who followed their lead. or popular regional things that only later become universally regarded critical favorites. not a lot of total flops and unheard records that got rediscovered, though.
― kel ler/pharmacists (some dude), Saturday, 2 June 2012 23:26 (1 year ago) Permalink
did anyone read the Fear of Music one yet? i was really disappointed, and the chapter on eno must have fallen out of mine because he hardly mentioned him once...are you kidding? And I'm a fan of his other writing!
― Iago Galdston, Sunday, 3 June 2012 00:59 (1 year ago) Permalink