tumblr rapper kitty pryde

I think an enormous part of this is down to the backing music which positions her much more than the use of teengirl speak does.

yes!

Like, I've hardly been incensed by contenderizer wanting to defend this stuff b/c I suspect I feel about the same level of not-really-sure-what-I-think ambivalence, but I instinctively reject the idea that kitty pryde turns people off b/c she is alien - when it's clear that kp has already considered and decided to target adult audiences looking for yet another form of pop culture as distancing ironic-yet-sincere celebration of youth. The upshot of her being self-aware (and, I suspect, just plain smart) is that the music itself does all the "framing" heavy lifting so that writers don't have to.

Congratulations to her, really. OTOH I think ILX is unusual in that a lot of the antipathy towards artists stems from the presentiment of how much bad writing it is likely to inspire.

target adult audiences looking for yet another form of pop culture as distancing ironic-yet-sincere celebration of youth

I am not in this target market

is this like 30-something dudes that watch that Lena Dunham show?

tim i've never seen you incensed on ilm, your sang froid in the face of bs is legendary

OTOH I think ILX is unusual in that a lot of the antipathy towards artists stems from the presentiment of how much bad writing it is likely to inspire.

haha, so otm

yeah, i think i'm sort of outside the bubble wr2 the reactions tim is talking about, mostly because i don't have any strong response to the way the backing tracks position KP's rapping. i have no positive or negative opinions on "cloud rap" (or w/e) and its appeal to hipsters. i think of the tracks as sort of second rate, but a good general choice of foils for KP's voice and persona.

in defending her, i'm only talking about her voice, style and lyrics.

how do you separate her "style" from her choice of backing tracks?

is this like 30-something dudes that watch that Lena Dunham show?

hey, i'm 40-something, and i watch that show. only cuz my gf does, though. i mean, i saw every single episode of sex and the city, too, but not by choice.

riiiiiiiiiight!

how do you separate her "style" from her choice of backing tracks?

her style as a rapper/vocalist/whatever. the music is so blah that i don't care about it one way or the other. afaic, it's just a frame that exists around her voice & lyrics.

sarahell, i would be very interested in hearing more about the link between kitty pryde + lena dunham

riiiiiiiiiight!

won't deny that i wound up getting into both shows. i'm an easy sell (as this thread conclusively proves).

As a Girls watcher who turned 30 this week, I'd say "yes" with caveats: both seem to get a lot of their sense of momentum from an audience mindset already primed to be fascinated with both the traumas and the dialects of youth.

The difference is that Girls by virtue of being a fully-fledged TV show with characters and plot-lines etc. is in a position to prompt good writing as well as bad.

Articles about KP at this point are kind of like articles on Girls (positive or negative) based solely on HBO's teaser trailer of a few months back.

I am part of the target market btw.

shows i watch atm:

girls
game of thrones
mad men
adventure time

Mordy - the only link in my mind was Tim's phrase "target adult audiences looking for yet another form of pop culture as distancing ironic-yet-sincere celebration of youth," and the fact that contenderizer seems to post a lot in that thread, as well as a conversation i had a while back with an irl non-ilx friend who was talking about how he should watch that show after expressing concerns about aging and cultural relevance.

To be clear I don't have a problem with "yet another form of pop culture as distancing ironic-yet-sincere celebration of youth", but the excitement with which each new example is greeted tends to invite condescending willy wonka meme pictures.

http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m4523uLY7K1qaac30o1_500.jpg

Oh good, America has its own Die Antwoord now.

the only link in my mind was Tim's phrase "target adult audiences looking for yet another form of pop culture as distancing ironic-yet-sincere celebration of youth," and the fact that contenderizer seems to post a lot in that thread

makes more sense to triangulate my posting re: girls, KP and LDR as a combo of marc loi and "i am interested in the discourse"

tim i've never seen you incensed on ilm, your sang froid in the face of bs is legendary

― the late great, Wednesday, 16 May 2012 11:39 PM (17 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

well, you know, arguments on the internet.

that Lena Dunham show

i guess there was that time you got incensed at me for trying to talk about doc daneeka and other hipster funky on the tropical 2 thread

furious.

800 posts

and to think there are only 4 new answers on the Jackson Galaxy, star of Animal Planet's "My Cat From HELL." thread

haha thats a very unfair comparison!

my tumblr rapper kitty pryde from HELL

girls is dope ftw

when you glean all your information about television programmes from the thinkpieces that trail in their wake, it's often really surprising who turns out to be pro or anti

ime everyone likes girls

http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m4eeuqlKMw1qcx6xdo1_1280.jpg

riff raff collabo by the end of next week

― J0rdan, Diddy (tpp), Friday, May 11, 2012 12:39 AM (1 week ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

took a lil longer

idgi how u cant like this girl

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didn't some ilxor post about this recently? OUTED!

those are completely bland tweets

sorry

otm

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VzcksDgd4jM

so bad

i like the one with riff raff & the one where she says "kiss the ring pop" & what not

beautiful lou carries a lot of the weight tho... idk there's some decent rapping, but it definitely is music that people will spend a lot more time talking/writing about than actually listening to & i have little interest in that right now

You've heard the one with Riff Raff? Lucky feller.

Kitty Pryde kind of sounds like Paul Barman

has anyone brought up the fairly subtle ref to hamlet in 'okay cupid' ? im sure not cuz ppl would much rather write abt what she looks like, etc

idk dismissing it cuz other ppl are gonna write abt uninteresting aspects of it is kinda wack & boring echo chamber stuff

Can't believe a rap song I'm completely uninterested in referenced hamlet

What will Bo Burham do next?

cool opinion

Bridesmaids, Lena Dunham, Kitty Pryde

what a fantastic year it's been for funny white women.

johnny if you don't want to talk about how she looks i'd be happy to talk about her terrible flow, breath control, phrasing (which many have pointed out is exactly a worse ripoff of paul barman), cheap sounding & derivative production, sort of grating sense of "oh aren't i clever" when it's really not, or any number of other ways this fails as music :)

"sort of grating sense of "oh aren't i clever" "

don't hear this at all. think 'scabies' continues her run of pretty honest-to-goodness love song writing

anyway the previous round found a better place for discussion over at the singles jukebox blurbs than here http://www.thesinglesjukebox.com/?p=5492

i do think she's kinda clever

that said i'm sorta confused as to where the "songwriting" is on "scabies"