'Disintegration' vs 'Violator': a POLL

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I never think, "Ugh -- second side coming"

Exile in lolville (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 16 May 2012 21:50 (1 year ago) Permalink

Because you (like me) skip the last two songs! That's a full quarter of the running time.

Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 16 May 2012 21:59 (1 year ago) Permalink

Whereas "Disintegration" is at least designed as a slog. As opposed to, say, the last two Red Hot Chili Peppers records, which are simply too long. (Just as an example)

Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 16 May 2012 21:59 (1 year ago) Permalink

But Violator boasts "Halo," "The Sweetest Perfection" and "Waiting For the Night" besides the singles while Disintegration only coughs up "Untitled" at the end.

Exile in lolville (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 16 May 2012 22:02 (1 year ago) Permalink

I dunno. I think we're all just dancing around the consensus that "The Same Deep Water As You" is what drags down the second side; the rest of the non-singles on "Disintegration" are pretty strong.

Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 16 May 2012 22:08 (1 year ago) Permalink

same deep water is great
clean is great

Roberto Spiralli, Wednesday, 16 May 2012 22:39 (1 year ago) Permalink

Nah. Don't care for the title track, "Homesick," "Prayers for Rain," "Closedown," "The Same Deep Water As You," or "Last Dance."

Exile in lolville (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 16 May 2012 22:42 (1 year ago) Permalink

The rehabilitation of the album in the last fifteen years has mystified me. At the time it got okay to middling reviews despite being their biggest hit. I still prefer Wish and its two predecessors.

Exile in lolville (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 16 May 2012 22:43 (1 year ago) Permalink

I like wish as much, just about, and prefer head on the door (sort if their violator).

Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 16 May 2012 22:46 (1 year ago) Permalink

Speaking of reviews, I've always liked christgaus takedown of kiss me x3,, but his disintegration pan is as patronizing as his takedowns of depeche mode.

Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 16 May 2012 22:49 (1 year ago) Permalink

nah -- he's on point about who Smith and Gahan were writing for and to. He gives MFTM a good review!

Exile in lolville (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 16 May 2012 22:54 (1 year ago) Permalink

Is that the one he says the little girls will understand?

Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 16 May 2012 22:55 (1 year ago) Permalink

maybe. Depeche are teen pop!

Exile in lolville (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 16 May 2012 22:58 (1 year ago) Permalink

I watched 101 recently.

Exile in lolville (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 16 May 2012 22:59 (1 year ago) Permalink

Huh, Violator went to #5 and double platinum in Canada. I don't think I knew anyone who listened to Depeche Mode until I was 19 or so. Maybe I didn't talk to enough girls when I was 11. As far as I could tell, they were listening to Vanilla Ice or NKOTB.

EveningStar (Sund4r), Wednesday, 16 May 2012 23:08 (1 year ago) Permalink

"Enjoy The Silence" sounded awesome amid "Step by Step," "Vogue," and Tyler Collins' "Girls Night Out."

Exile in lolville (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 16 May 2012 23:09 (1 year ago) Permalink

Oh yeah, Madonna.

EveningStar (Sund4r), Wednesday, 16 May 2012 23:12 (1 year ago) Permalink

xpost I'm thinking of the "Catching Up" review, which ends:

First they "Just Can't Get Enough," then they ponder "The Meaning of Love," then they doubt "Love in Itself," then they play "Master and Servant." The little girls understand.

Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 16 May 2012 23:29 (1 year ago) Permalink

Of course, his "Violator" review:

Violator [Sire/Reprise, 1990]
Fearing the loss of their silly grip on America's angst-ridden teens, who they're old enough to know are a fickle lot, they forge on toward the rap market by rhyming "drug" and "thug." And for the U.K.'s ecstasy-riding teens, who God knows are even more fickle, there's the techno-perfect synth/guitar sigh/moan that punctuates the easily rescinded "Policy of Truth." C-

Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 16 May 2012 23:30 (1 year ago) Permalink

mm yeah he's wrong

Exile in lolville (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 16 May 2012 23:32 (1 year ago) Permalink

I remember Disintergration getting great reviews at the time from both critics and fans. I wouldn't call it "rehabilitated" at all.
Maybe some people were hoping for more pop singles, but everybody seemed to agree it was pretty masterful. Oh and I looove "Last Dance". So underrated.

LeRooLeRoo, Wednesday, 16 May 2012 23:40 (1 year ago) Permalink

Christgau's writing is such a strange phenomenon (but does seem to disprove that everyone thought Disintegration was masterful!).

EveningStar (Sund4r), Thursday, 17 May 2012 00:29 (1 year ago) Permalink

Automatic thread bump. This poll is closing tomorrow.

System, Sunday, 20 May 2012 00:01 (1 year ago) Permalink

Violator = Better Singles.
Disintegration = Better Album.

They're both great tho. They should be friends and hang out instead of fighting over which one is better. A tied result would be fair.

Moka, Sunday, 20 May 2012 12:06 (1 year ago) Permalink

I love the Violator singles (esp "World In My Eyes" and "Policy of Truth") but all four of the Disintegration singles are outstanding. Also all of you people bagging on the second half of the album, particularly "The Same Deep Water As You", are fucking INSANE.

I'M THAT POSTA, AAAAAAAAAH (DJP), Sunday, 20 May 2012 15:15 (1 year ago) Permalink

what he said

balls, Sunday, 20 May 2012 15:22 (1 year ago) Permalink

Dan, I think it's just that "Same Deep Water As You" is a breaking point for some. It's a 10 minute dirge without the bite of the title track, so I can imagine if someone makes it that far under duress, it could be just what it takes to make them turn it off. I mean, I like it fine, but as I said upthread, it entails a certain degree of commitment.

Josh in Chicago, Sunday, 20 May 2012 16:18 (1 year ago) Permalink

actually my only complaint about Disintegration is that "Same Deep Water As You" isn't ten million years long. they really fucked that one up.

crüt, Sunday, 20 May 2012 16:26 (1 year ago) Permalink

that includes at least 1.2 million years of thunder sounds

crüt, Sunday, 20 May 2012 16:26 (1 year ago) Permalink

I imagine for some people, "Disintegration" is just the infinite soundtrack to their sad, lonely, thunder-rumble of a life. ***sighs/cries***

Josh in Chicago, Sunday, 20 May 2012 16:31 (1 year ago) Permalink

Automatic thread bump. This poll's results are now in.

System, Monday, 21 May 2012 00:01 (1 year ago) Permalink

righteous.

crüt, Monday, 21 May 2012 00:07 (1 year ago) Permalink

Ugh.

EveningStar (Sund4r), Monday, 21 May 2012 00:16 (1 year ago) Permalink

crütm

mookieproof, Monday, 21 May 2012 00:21 (1 year ago) Permalink

yeah, and it wasn't even close.

Bee OK, Monday, 21 May 2012 02:04 (1 year ago) Permalink

If I get 67 ballots in for my Cure poll in a couple of weeks I'll be v v happy.

nate woolls, Monday, 21 May 2012 06:08 (1 year ago) Permalink

I think I forgot to vote in the end! (think I would have gone for Violatot TBH but not like it'd have made a difference)

They have fangs, They have teeth! (White Chocolate Cheesecake), Monday, 21 May 2012 07:44 (1 year ago) Permalink

I think the Cure poll is going to be fantastic nate. Big fanbase on ILX and no obvious Top 10. They're the kind of band whose most loved songs often aren't the big singles.

Get wolves (DL), Monday, 21 May 2012 15:20 (1 year ago) Permalink

Seeing as none of the polls in the mean time interest me much I though I'd get a start on my Cure ballot. I could go with 20 'b' sides and be more than happy with ensuing playlist! Just as well I've a few weeks to ruminate 'cos my initial list is 50+ thus far.

pandemic, Tuesday, 22 May 2012 10:11 (1 year ago) Permalink


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