haha i was the power forward
― mookieproof, Wednesday, 16 May 2012 01:42 (eleven years ago) link
iykwim
― mookieproof, Wednesday, 16 May 2012 01:43 (eleven years ago) link
what
― crüt, Wednesday, 16 May 2012 02:00 (eleven years ago) link
disintegration is pretty good so i voted for it
― sleepingbag, Wednesday, 16 May 2012 02:09 (eleven years ago) link
no one in 20 odd years attempted to recreate the sound of disintegration, i'm constantly amazed by that. lots of bands are taking cues from early cure these days but you won't get disintegration-type records any time soon. for such an era defining album that's pretty weird, the lack of inheritors i mean.
― cock chirea, Wednesday, 16 May 2012 03:26 (eleven years ago) link
well, no one is as sad as robert smith
― mookieproof, Wednesday, 16 May 2012 03:27 (eleven years ago) link
Absolutely, in my experience. Depeche Mode, New Order and the Cure were the holy trinity for my friends when I was 15, 16.
everybody in my circle would rep for New Order & the Cure, Depeche Mode was not even considered anywhere near that level & I'd still argue that. "Words like violence/break the silence" Jesus Christ dude even Barney is better than that & he's terrible
― cosi fan whitford (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Wednesday, 16 May 2012 03:48 (eleven years ago) link
oh shi
― mookieproof, Wednesday, 16 May 2012 03:50 (eleven years ago) link
Here comes love, it's like violence/You can't buy it with silence
― the fey monster (ledge), Wednesday, 16 May 2012 08:27 (eleven years ago) link
Well, at least Barney does not impart his nonsense with portent. You get the feeling he views lyrics as a formality. Martin Gore one imagines considers his lyrics poetry of the heart.
― Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 16 May 2012 14:17 (eleven years ago) link
Or the music of the night.
― Respectfully, Tyrese Gibson (Nicole), Wednesday, 16 May 2012 15:50 (eleven years ago) link
Absolutely, in my experience. Depeche Mode, New Order and the Cure were the holy trinity for my friends when I was 15, 16. We all had Disintegration, Violator and Technique - three big post-punk bands hitting their commercial (and arguably creative) peaks at around the same time. They felt inseparable to me.
― Get wolves (DL), Tuesday, May 15, 2012 6:30 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
and
I knew that people lump(ed) these groups, and even the Smiths, together in North America
lol, yeah
For most of my life (from early teens through pretty recently) if you'd asked me who my all time fav bands were My answer would have been these four though which order I'd rank them in has changed throughout the years.
― wolf kabob (ENBB), Wednesday, 16 May 2012 15:54 (eleven years ago) link
My best friend's mom let her older sister paint the walls of her bedroom black and paint the lyrics to "Pictures of You" on it in swirly Cure script. I thought it was just about the coolest thing I'd ever seen.
― wolf kabob (ENBB), Wednesday, 16 May 2012 15:56 (eleven years ago) link
Echo & the Bunnymen was certainly a big part of that milieu, too, for a while at least. John Hughes knew what was up.
― Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 16 May 2012 17:15 (eleven years ago) link
Didn't think E&tB had anything close to the stature of these other bands this side of the Atlantic? According to Wikipedia, they peaked at #51 on the US album charts, #41 on Canada's. No silver or gold albums afaik.
― EveningStar (Sund4r), Wednesday, 16 May 2012 17:20 (eleven years ago) link
yeah &B had a clutch of college radio singles played a bit in the US but nothing like the Cure, NO, or Depeche's sales.
― Exile in lolville (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 16 May 2012 17:21 (eleven years ago) link
I just know what people in my class had on their Trapper Keepers.
― Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 16 May 2012 17:21 (eleven years ago) link
*E&B
I could ask Will Sergeant what he thought about it all, I'm meeting him this Saturday.
― Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 16 May 2012 17:30 (eleven years ago) link
I like E&B a lot but didn't get into them until later and never as much as the others. TBH the BIG THREE to me have always been The Cure, DM and The Smiths. I would put NO in there now but that wasn't always the case especially when I was a young teenager.
― wolf kabob (ENBB), Wednesday, 16 May 2012 17:33 (eleven years ago) link
violator by a million miles. sorry dan
― O_o-O_0-o_O (jjjusten), Wednesday, 16 May 2012 17:35 (eleven years ago) link
"disintegration" is where I dropped the CURE. I just don't like all that spacious sound. I love all the albums before it, and sort of became a singles fan after it.
I'm not voting because I can't stand Depeche Mode
― nicky lo-fi, Wednesday, 16 May 2012 18:00 (eleven years ago) link
'disintegration' was the first cure record I anticipated in advance having heard 'kiss me x3' months after it was actually out and worked my way back from there. Also the first band I loved as a teenager. I had HUGE HUGE HUGE expectations for 'Disintegration'. It surpassed them.
― pandemic, Wednesday, 16 May 2012 18:11 (eleven years ago) link
decided to listen to both for the first time back-to-back since i enjoy these bands mainly as singles acts and was kind of curious to answer the question for myself. i generally think of myself as preferring The Cure, but right now I gotta go with Violator, Disintegration is such a slog, even the songs i like on it kind of get the air sucked out of them in the context of the album.
― some dude, Wednesday, 16 May 2012 18:40 (eleven years ago) link
otm, I've tried soooo many times to get beyond the singles on Disintegration (which I love) & I lose focus every time.
― Euler, Wednesday, 16 May 2012 18:45 (eleven years ago) link
The second of Disintegration defines "mire" (except for "Untitled").
― Exile in lolville (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 16 May 2012 19:03 (eleven years ago) link
Again, that's silly, since that ignores "Prayers for Rain" and the title track, which are about as tough and exiting as the band in this guise gets.
― Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 16 May 2012 19:51 (eleven years ago) link
I mean, I would be lying if I said I ever listened to "Blue Dress" or "Clean" after "Policy of Truth" is done.
― Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 16 May 2012 19:52 (eleven years ago) link
(hah, exciting, I meant)
― Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 16 May 2012 20:46 (eleven years ago) link
Maybe thrilling is a better word?
― Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 16 May 2012 20:47 (eleven years ago) link
I don't either!
― Exile in lolville (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 16 May 2012 21:10 (eleven years ago) link
re listen to "Clean" or "Blue Dress."
Which sort of detracts from the album, no? And reduces it to more of an ... awesome EP? Minus those two tracks it drops down to 35 minutes. It's in some ways I think more forgivable for "Disintegration" to go on too long, seeing as it's designed to be sort of oppressive, monolithic, even hypnotically turgid, than it is for "Violator" to peter out after it blows its wad with the incredible "Policy of Truth." "Homesick" and "Untitled," on the other hand, are the perfect comes downs after the epic-ness of "Disintegration."
― Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 16 May 2012 21:47 (eleven years ago) link
(BTW, I once interviewed Robert Smith, and I asked him if he made Simon Gallop play those repetitive basslines on songs like "Disintegration" as a form of torture. He laughed and claimed Gallop actually liked playing those parts.)
― Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 16 May 2012 21:48 (eleven years ago) link
but Violator FEELS shorter
― Exile in lolville (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 16 May 2012 21:50 (eleven years ago) link
I never think, "Ugh -- second side coming"
Because you (like me) skip the last two songs! That's a full quarter of the running time.
― Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 16 May 2012 21:59 (eleven years ago) link
Whereas "Disintegration" is at least designed as a slog. As opposed to, say, the last two Red Hot Chili Peppers records, which are simply too long. (Just as an example)
But Violator boasts "Halo," "The Sweetest Perfection" and "Waiting For the Night" besides the singles while Disintegration only coughs up "Untitled" at the end.
― Exile in lolville (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 16 May 2012 22:02 (eleven years ago) link
I dunno. I think we're all just dancing around the consensus that "The Same Deep Water As You" is what drags down the second side; the rest of the non-singles on "Disintegration" are pretty strong.
― Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 16 May 2012 22:08 (eleven years ago) link
same deep water is greatclean is great
― Roberto Spiralli, Wednesday, 16 May 2012 22:39 (eleven years ago) link
Nah. Don't care for the title track, "Homesick," "Prayers for Rain," "Closedown," "The Same Deep Water As You," or "Last Dance."
― Exile in lolville (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 16 May 2012 22:42 (eleven years ago) link
The rehabilitation of the album in the last fifteen years has mystified me. At the time it got okay to middling reviews despite being their biggest hit. I still prefer Wish and its two predecessors.
― Exile in lolville (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 16 May 2012 22:43 (eleven years ago) link
I like wish as much, just about, and prefer head on the door (sort if their violator).
― Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 16 May 2012 22:46 (eleven years ago) link
Speaking of reviews, I've always liked christgaus takedown of kiss me x3,, but his disintegration pan is as patronizing as his takedowns of depeche mode.
― Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 16 May 2012 22:49 (eleven years ago) link
nah -- he's on point about who Smith and Gahan were writing for and to. He gives MFTM a good review!
― Exile in lolville (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 16 May 2012 22:54 (eleven years ago) link
Is that the one he says the little girls will understand?
― Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 16 May 2012 22:55 (eleven years ago) link
maybe. Depeche are teen pop!
― Exile in lolville (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 16 May 2012 22:58 (eleven years ago) link
I watched 101 recently.
― Exile in lolville (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 16 May 2012 22:59 (eleven years ago) link
Huh, Violator went to #5 and double platinum in Canada. I don't think I knew anyone who listened to Depeche Mode until I was 19 or so. Maybe I didn't talk to enough girls when I was 11. As far as I could tell, they were listening to Vanilla Ice or NKOTB.
― EveningStar (Sund4r), Wednesday, 16 May 2012 23:08 (eleven years ago) link