that's a really good movie
― horseshoe, Tuesday, 15 May 2012 15:06 (eleven years ago) link
i don't know about "racially progressive" but it's definitely smart about race
― horseshoe, Tuesday, 15 May 2012 15:07 (eleven years ago) link
I don't think I've seen that movie since it first came out but yeah I don't think I can hate that movie
― dayo, Tuesday, 15 May 2012 15:14 (eleven years ago) link
I think it's progressive in the fact that it's A) not a kung-fu movie and B) stars an actor of Asian descent anyway, in a lead role.
― frogbs, Tuesday, 15 May 2012 15:16 (eleven years ago) link
you mean two actors, right?
― dayo, Tuesday, 15 May 2012 15:18 (eleven years ago) link
i'm not sure comic movies can really be progressive in a positive sense but harold and kumar is good, like 30 rock is often good, at limning white racism. and also good at analyzing the differences between how antiblack racism is expressed and institutionalized versus sort of nativist anti-Asian American racism.
― horseshoe, Tuesday, 15 May 2012 15:19 (eleven years ago) link
Well really just starring one such actor is kind of unusual. In general American movies don't star actors who aren't white or black unless they're in roles that couldn't be replaced by a white guy. In some cases they're even willing to forgo major plot points in order to fit white guys in (see the blackjack movie 21). Obviously guys like John Cho and Kal Penn will always be able to find work in minor roles but to actually like, be on the poster, is really something
― frogbs, Tuesday, 15 May 2012 15:27 (eleven years ago) link
thanks for explaining
― max, Tuesday, 15 May 2012 15:29 (eleven years ago) link
so what did you think of the movie, frogs?
― dayo, Tuesday, 15 May 2012 15:31 (eleven years ago) link
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Belgian_Ebony_Shoe
― caek, Tuesday, 15 May 2012 15:31 (eleven years ago) link
The Belgian Ebony Shoe. Really.
http://www.rsca.be/photodbase/articles/lukaku20110509.jpg http://www.rsca.be/photodbase/articles/boussoufa20090511.jpg
― pplains, Tuesday, 15 May 2012 15:35 (eleven years ago) link
i was reading this article http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vincent_Kompany and i saw the link and i was like "oh please oh please oh please"
― caek, Tuesday, 15 May 2012 15:36 (eleven years ago) link
Even with the 30 Rock talk, I'm so glad this thread is finally back on track.
Soccer, possible racist patronizing…. if that shoe turns out to be edible, I think we're going to be in business.
― pplains, Tuesday, 15 May 2012 15:38 (eleven years ago) link
Werner Herzog and his crazy series of bets with Romelu Lukaku
― cissémanwhore (DJ Mencap), Tuesday, 15 May 2012 15:53 (eleven years ago) link
Do you think the ebony shoe thing is more bad because it's an "ebony shoe" or because it's patronizing to have a separate award for best african footballer?
― this guy's a gangsta? his real name's mittens. (Hurting 2), Tuesday, 15 May 2012 16:15 (eleven years ago) link
Little bit from column a, little bit from column b.
― pplains, Tuesday, 15 May 2012 16:48 (eleven years ago) link
Maybe there's an award for the best Dominican player in baseball. And I have to keep reminding myself that other countries aren't quite the melting pot/salad bowl/spice rack that is the United States of America, so cherry picking out people of one particular continent there might not be the show stopper it is here.
But the EBONY SHOE? Again, I'm sure there is some historical explanation that 50 years ago when the firsat afdoaidsh;aopplayer coame to tbelgiaum theao;dfhdklsjfa, but EBONY SHOE?
― pplains, Tuesday, 15 May 2012 16:51 (eleven years ago) link
Would love to see an award for the best white player in basketball
― frogbs, Tuesday, 15 May 2012 16:54 (eleven years ago) link
- "You have many awards, Mr. Kompany. What's this small one here?"
- "Oh, yes. That is my Ebony Shoe Award. I've won it multiple times."
- "Well, it certainly is ebony. Quite unusual. Tell me, how did you come about winning it?"
- "I was the best player from Africa in Belgian football. For this, they gave me an Ebony Shoe Award."
― pplains, Tuesday, 15 May 2012 16:55 (eleven years ago) link
Not the best white player, frogs. Best player from Asia or Europe.
Though the first thing I did do is scan the list for South Africans.
― pplains, Tuesday, 15 May 2012 16:56 (eleven years ago) link
yeah i've seen that ebony shoe before, the name is quite....striking
the idea of a prize for best african footballer isn't necessarily wrong, since a lot of excellent african football players have begun their careers in belgium, legacy of colonialism and product of a lax player registration system iirc
there was an entire team of players from the cote d'ivoire at beveren a one time
however the award being given to both african football players and those of african ancestry is patronizing and stupid, kompany was born in belgium and plays for the belgian national team but because he is half congolese he is somehow categorically different from flemish and wallonian players
― nakhchivan, Tuesday, 15 May 2012 17:07 (eleven years ago) link
belgium probably shdn't exist anyway so there's that
― goole, Tuesday, 15 May 2012 17:08 (eleven years ago) link
http://i.imgur.com/J8Q0n.jpg
kevin mirallas, five time winner of the platonic shoe given to belgian players of hellenic extraction
― nakhchivan, Tuesday, 15 May 2012 17:09 (eleven years ago) link
residual guilt for the Congo and King Leopold?!?
― Boris Kutyurkokhov (Eisbaer), Tuesday, 15 May 2012 17:15 (eleven years ago) link
i'm guessing americans think it's racist primarily for the 'ebony and ivory' imagery rather than for belgium's near-genocidal exploitation of its colonies rare woods, minerals etc
― nakhchivan, Tuesday, 15 May 2012 17:18 (eleven years ago) link
platonic shoe is the shoe from which all other shoes derive shoeness presumably
― (Name Withheld to Avoid Hassle) (forksclovetofu), Tuesday, 15 May 2012 17:19 (eleven years ago) link
I did think of Ebony and Ivory first, but now that you mention it, I had forgotten about that "Belgians In the Congo" line from We Didn't Start the Fire.
― pplains, Tuesday, 15 May 2012 17:37 (eleven years ago) link
lol
― He's sick of the Swiss. He don't like em. (Austerity Ponies), Tuesday, 15 May 2012 17:59 (eleven years ago) link
I always tend to wonder if the Ebony shoe could be won by say a white Namibian/South African.
Also, I think Mbark Boussouffa won it a couple of times, who was born and grew up up in Amsterdam (sure of Moroccan descent, but still...)
― Ludo, Tuesday, 15 May 2012 18:59 (eleven years ago) link
also, would Ryan Giggs be able to win it
― Ludo, Tuesday, 15 May 2012 19:06 (eleven years ago) link
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-9dCY0ixWanA/Tm6MH8oGgFI/AAAAAAAABso/DP9n8enFdqg/s1600/waffles.jpg
― He's sick of the Swiss. He don't like em. (Austerity Ponies), Tuesday, 15 May 2012 19:17 (eleven years ago) link
http://i.imgur.com/j7iGK.jpg
― ♆ (gr8080), Tuesday, 15 May 2012 23:15 (eleven years ago) link
that doesn't even make a lick of sense. there are no fat chinese people?
― Nhex, Wednesday, 16 May 2012 04:11 (eleven years ago) link
I'm pretty sure the Chinese cook their rice too.
― pplains, Wednesday, 16 May 2012 04:12 (eleven years ago) link
and i don't think they put of lot of butter on it
― The term or title antichrist, in Christian theology, refers to (contenderizer), Wednesday, 16 May 2012 04:20 (eleven years ago) link
http://www.shanghaiist.com/attachments/shang_dan/cute-chinese-baby.jpg
so very fat
― The term or title antichrist, in Christian theology, refers to (contenderizer), Wednesday, 16 May 2012 04:21 (eleven years ago) link
"switch from routine to rice"? Isnt white rice like the most routine side you could possibly make apart from mashed potato?
― Pureed Moods (Trayce), Wednesday, 16 May 2012 05:22 (eleven years ago) link
Not if you're a good Amurrican.
― nickn, Wednesday, 16 May 2012 05:25 (eleven years ago) link
people in the U.S. didn't eat much rice at all, back when - getting people to think of it as something usual at dinner was a very long effort driven in part by the fact that you can grow it in eg Texas, Louisiana, South Carolina et al
― cosi fan whitford (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Wednesday, 16 May 2012 05:33 (eleven years ago) link
Was rice uncommon in America in 1967? Really?
― Nhex, Wednesday, 16 May 2012 05:33 (eleven years ago) link
oic
recently I was told that a cafe is bring run by 'the chinese' (by which she meant 'a family of east asian descent')
― Autumn Almanac, Wednesday, 16 May 2012 05:35 (eleven years ago) link
idk know why their genealogy was a crucial element of who's running the cafe
― Autumn Almanac, Wednesday, 16 May 2012 05:36 (eleven years ago) link
I can't really back this up though this is mainly going on my old cookbooks from the fifties/sixties which often have some "for a change of pace, try a rice dish" thing - looks like on some quick googling that rice was being grown in the colonies from 1694 so I'm guessing the "eat more rice" thing is more of an "increase sales" deal than a "make people think of rice as a thing you eat" one, I don't know, I need a grant for further research on this
― cosi fan whitford (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Wednesday, 16 May 2012 05:39 (eleven years ago) link
I'll PayPal you $3.25
― raw feel vegan (silby), Wednesday, 16 May 2012 05:45 (eleven years ago) link
God all we ever ate when I was a kid was either plain boiled rice, or boiled potatoes and green beans, as sides. Blech.
― Pureed Moods (Trayce), Wednesday, 16 May 2012 05:54 (eleven years ago) link
The difference between Polo and Chelow is not the way the rice is cooked but rather Chelow is referred to as plain rice which is served with a stew or kebab (chelow khoresh badenjan, chelow kabab) while Polo is rice mixed with something (such as Baghali Polo, Zereshk polo, Loubia Polo etc.)
well there's five of my mom's seven dinners right there
― the late great, Wednesday, 16 May 2012 06:29 (eleven years ago) link
in a week i mean
Traditionally, rice was most prevalent as a major staple item in the rice growing region of northern Iran, and the homes of the wealthy, while in the rest of the country bread was the dominant staple
yyyyyeaaaaahhhhh
― the late great, Wednesday, 16 May 2012 06:30 (eleven years ago) link
In the 60s we rarely had rice with dinner, and when we did it was Uncle Ben's "minute rice." I do remember when we lived in Michigan we had rice for breakfast in winter sometimes, with milk on it, as a break from Malto-Meal.
x-post. Also grown in the Sacramento delta area. I think we sold a lot to Japan when they had a shortage a few years ago.
― nickn, Wednesday, 16 May 2012 06:44 (eleven years ago) link