The Return Of My Bloody Valentine

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It's not like the Beatles or Sly Stone remasters, but I'm very glad I've got it.

Sick Mouthy (Scik Mouthy), Tuesday, 15 May 2012 14:29 (2 years ago) Permalink

I thankfully stopped myself from shelling out $26 or whatever for this.

Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 15 May 2012 14:30 (2 years ago) Permalink

Yeah, that's a fair bit to shell out for, i'll grant yz

Mark G, Tuesday, 15 May 2012 14:30 (2 years ago) Permalink

The digital remaster is just a louder version of the original master, but to my ears the new remaster from original tapes has a fuller sound, with much less empahsis on the mid-range, and some boost on the bass.

At the moment there is the glitch problem on that one track though.

I will buy it if they release the analogue version on vinyl, but then I sold my CD and vinyl copies of Loveless a while ago when I saw prices were quite high for first editions.

Chewshabadoo, Tuesday, 15 May 2012 14:40 (2 years ago) Permalink

Basically you can re-create this remaster by taking the original CDs you bought, ripping them to wave, and changing the volume. Or skip that and just change the volume on your stereo.

Emperor Cos Dashit (Adam Bruneau), Tuesday, 15 May 2012 15:14 (2 years ago) Permalink

Don't you wish you could go back to August 2007 and let everyone on the thread know that the remasters are gonna be meh?

Mad God 40/40 (Z S), Tuesday, 15 May 2012 15:16 (2 years ago) Permalink

You can also recreate the OTHER Loveless remaster by asking Sony for the original tapes who will say they are lost, wait for several years, get in touch with Scotland Yard…

Chewshabadoo, Tuesday, 15 May 2012 15:39 (2 years ago) Permalink

The "Isn't anything" remaster is significantly different, the EPs too.

poxen, Tuesday, 15 May 2012 17:51 (2 years ago) Permalink

Reminds me a bit of the famous glitch on Meat Puppets II.

― wronger than 100 geir posts (MacDara), Tuesday, May 15, 2012 3:46 AM

whats the meat puppets 2 glitch

am0n, Tuesday, 15 May 2012 20:07 (2 years ago) Permalink

there's a big spike in the wave form shaped like a middle finger

bark ruffalo (latebloomer), Tuesday, 15 May 2012 21:58 (2 years ago) Permalink

Some funny stuff in there:
•On the second disc, mastered from the original half-inch analogue tapes, we can hear for the first time that the record's intricate feedback layers and inimitable swirls of tremolo-gliding guitar were digital mastering errors and My Bloody Valentine was actually a workmanlike third-wave ska band.

heated debate over derpy hooves (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Tuesday, 15 May 2012 22:17 (2 years ago) Permalink

man, they really did make a good album that one time, huh?

The term or title antichrist, in Christian theology, refers to (contenderizer), Tuesday, 15 May 2012 22:19 (2 years ago) Permalink

yeh, Isn't Anything is awesome

zappi, Tuesday, 15 May 2012 22:46 (2 years ago) Permalink

Mine just arrived from Amazon.co.uk. Took a little longer than usual (8 days).

Spencer Chow, Tuesday, 15 May 2012 23:03 (2 years ago) Permalink

I need these... Dammit. I just forked over $50 a few months ago for the original Creation pressing of Loveless on LP. (Ned, that's a funny-ass piece; and Bilinda sure is swoonworthy in that photo.)

Clarke B., Tuesday, 15 May 2012 23:06 (2 years ago) Permalink

i used to think the Isn't Anything is as Good as Loveless claim was borderline challopsy, but these days I really believe it. Isn't Anything isn't as consistent as Loveless, but the peaks are higher, I think. (When You Wake) You're Still in a Dream is flabbergasting. It's so, so good.

Mad God 40/40 (Z S), Tuesday, 15 May 2012 23:53 (2 years ago) Permalink

i don't know that it isn't as consistent. i guess it isn't as consistent in tone? or as 'cohesive', maybe, what with loveless being just like one big pie. but isn't anything has that perfect pairing of the thrashy, moody stuff & the spacy moody stuff.

but yeah being able to non challopsingly claim that IA is as crucial as loveless is important & a sign of maturity & wisdom

blossom smulch (schlump), Wednesday, 16 May 2012 09:18 (2 years ago) Permalink

whats the meat puppets 2 glitch

There's a glitch - maybe a physical warp - on the original SST master tape during 'Climbing' (I think it's the second verse?). When Derrick Bostrom remastered it for the reissues at the end of the '90s there wasn't much he could do about it, as far as I recall. So in it stayed. There's nothing about it in the liner notes.

wronger than 100 geir posts (MacDara), Wednesday, 16 May 2012 09:40 (2 years ago) Permalink

"What You Want" 2m46s glitch clearly audible on Spotify (where it's labelled CD1 (2006 DAT), as per the erroneous packaging, *and*, semi-amusingly, both Loveless and Isn't Anything are listed as "2008").

Michael Jones, Wednesday, 16 May 2012 09:47 (2 years ago) Permalink

Definitely prefer Isn't Anything. A lot of Loveless I just find kind of listless and annoying, I get especially irritated by those repetitive synthy parts on When You Sleep and I Only Said.

Goodbye 20th Centipede (NickB), Wednesday, 16 May 2012 09:52 (2 years ago) Permalink

Awwwww.... listening to Off Your Face for the first time in years. I should get the EPs 1988-91. Got 17/24ths of it on vinyl but...what the hell.

Michael Jones, Wednesday, 16 May 2012 09:55 (2 years ago) Permalink

Yeah re-listening to the EPs has totally re-ignited my love for Drive It All Over Me - scrabbly drums, dirty bass, sweet sweet melody. It's like some sort of lovely hybrid of the Shop Assistants and World Dom.

Goodbye 20th Centipede (NickB), Wednesday, 16 May 2012 10:00 (2 years ago) Permalink

Actualy maybe it's the grotty bass playing that I miss most on Loveless.

Goodbye 20th Centipede (NickB), Wednesday, 16 May 2012 10:04 (2 years ago) Permalink

I was biting my tongue all the way through that Thorpe article. Lost my shit completely when he started talking about tremolo arms.

Scary Move 4 (dog latin), Wednesday, 16 May 2012 10:10 (2 years ago) Permalink

'When You Sleep' is definitely my least-liked track, it just sounds like generic college rock to me. I love the sampler emulation of tremelo-bending in 'I Only Said' though.

Wasn't most of the rhythm section on Loveless Shields playing and sequencing? I would love to hear a version with Colm and Debbie playing their parts.

Chewshabadoo, Wednesday, 16 May 2012 10:18 (2 years ago) Permalink

Yeah, it's all Shields on Loveless.

When You Wake... >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> When You Sleep

Goodbye 20th Centipede (NickB), Wednesday, 16 May 2012 10:30 (2 years ago) Permalink

No More Sorry still chilling in a way nothing else they've done is.

Michael Jones, Wednesday, 16 May 2012 10:33 (2 years ago) Permalink

That sinister edge is something else they left behind, alas no more knife-wielding girls on their record covers.

Goodbye 20th Centipede (NickB), Wednesday, 16 May 2012 10:46 (2 years ago) Permalink

No More Sorry is the track that first drew me in to this band, I can't think of anything anyone has done like it.

Chewshabadoo, Wednesday, 16 May 2012 11:03 (2 years ago) Permalink

That song is not a million miles away from some AR Kane stuff e.g. WOGS, but they don't quite have the same multi-tracked fast strumming thing going on:

Goodbye 20th Centipede (NickB), Wednesday, 16 May 2012 12:11 (2 years ago) Permalink

AR Kane also had a thing for young women with knives too.

Michael Jones, Wednesday, 16 May 2012 12:15 (2 years ago) Permalink

The closest I've ever been able to describe the tone of the instruments in No More Sorry is of an orchestra tuning up in a cathedral with roadworks going on outside. I think the whole mood is just so bleak, dark, unsettling, menacing and odd.

Chewshabadoo, Wednesday, 16 May 2012 13:13 (2 years ago) Permalink

It's all about the absence of body, isn't? Just the returns of the FX, not the source.

Michael Jones, Wednesday, 16 May 2012 14:25 (2 years ago) Permalink

but yeah being able to non challopsingly claim that IA is as crucial as loveless is important & a sign of maturity & wisdom

I don't think IA is any better or worse than an Eric's Trip record on its own, but taken as a sketch for Loveless it's breathtaking. It's as if they identified all the human elements of IA-- "sexy" lyrics, Colm's juvenile drumming, distinguishable guitars, Sonic Youth-y dissonant chords, phrasing-- and bled them out of that record, replaced them with simpler structures, more brazen textural choices, to create something more stately.

When I first heard "Only Shallow" kick in as a teen, it seemed impenetrable. But listening to it after IA, it seems... well, simple, in a classical sort of way

poxen, Wednesday, 16 May 2012 16:22 (2 years ago) Permalink

i like eric's trip a lot, actually, but the relationship between eric's trip and isn't anything is pretty much

Mad God 40/40 (Z S), Wednesday, 16 May 2012 16:52 (2 years ago) Permalink

If you can come up with a closer cousin to "Isn't Anything" than "Love Tara" I'll buy you a pizza

poxen, Wednesday, 16 May 2012 16:55 (2 years ago) Permalink

Quite ridiculous but aside from the 'a' sides I hadn't heard most of the stuff on the eps and rarities disc. I was somewhat taken aback when PE's 'Security Of The First World' beat kicked in!

pandemic, Wednesday, 16 May 2012 17:24 (2 years ago) Permalink

listening to Off Your Face for the first time in years

Possibly my favourite track of theirs

Pacific Trash Vortex (Nasty, Brutish & Short), Wednesday, 16 May 2012 21:09 (2 years ago) Permalink

Closest cousin I know of to "Isn't Anything" (which I like a lot) is Swirlies "Blondertongue Audiobaton" (which I also like a lot). Grandma pizza will be just fine.

dlp9001, Thursday, 17 May 2012 02:17 (2 years ago) Permalink

hey guys debbie is primal scream's new bass player
http://www.nme.com/news/primal-scream/63501

& kevin said the new record's coming out this year on radio one. i know that isn't trustworthy but i mean at least it's well intentioned

blossom smulch (schlump), Thursday, 17 May 2012 10:42 (2 years ago) Permalink

& mbv are playing some shows in japan next year: http://www.timeout.jp/en/tokyo/event/4809/My-Bloody-Valentine

blossom smulch (schlump), Thursday, 17 May 2012 10:43 (2 years ago) Permalink

The Swirlies are like the gluten-based imitation meat version of MBV so yes, you get a vegan pizza

poxen, Thursday, 17 May 2012 11:59 (2 years ago) Permalink

http://www.nme.com/news/primal-scream/63501

Photo Gallery: Primal Scream
Photo: Debbie Googe, pictured far left
Rex Features

hmm, that's not all, btlot.

Mark G, Thursday, 17 May 2012 12:03 (2 years ago) Permalink

either that, or Bobby(2nd left) has suddenly got very good looking!

Mark G, Thursday, 17 May 2012 12:03 (2 years ago) Permalink

I was going to mention the Swirlies. If you can imagine "Isnlt anything" without the reverse reverb (and the sexiness) you've got the Swirlies' first album. BTAB - 7 / 10, IA - 10 / 10.

Rob M Revisited, Thursday, 17 May 2012 12:10 (2 years ago) Permalink

the praise for blonder tongue, which tbf has aged reasonably well, seemed so odd to me at the time, since it seemed like a major step back from the brilliance of the preceding singles..

mexican sumner (electricsound), Thursday, 17 May 2012 12:24 (2 years ago) Permalink

I bought the singles comp by mistake thinking it was BTAB back in 93 so to me the album seemed a logical step forward. I know the album after with the long title gets all the praise but I couldn't get my head around it, or understand the love.

(Can't add much on the MBV reissues as my wife is giving me them at the end of the month for my birthday. Another week oif waiting won't make any difference after all this time)

Rob M Revisited, Thursday, 17 May 2012 12:33 (2 years ago) Permalink

ok, today i decided £25 for the full set was too good a deal to miss, and given that i've not heard loveless for a long long time and i dont have the original cd anymore (i have the tremolo ep buried in the archive, but again, unheard in years), i succumbed to the urge.

before the music hits the deck, the main thing is that i love the packaging.

if you ask me, the heavy duty large cardboard sleeves, and the complete lack of sleevenotes totally suits the aesthetics

mark e, Thursday, 17 May 2012 16:08 (2 years ago) Permalink

ok. that was way way more emotional than i ever expected.

for the last 20 years i have viewed the cult of loveless from afar never really understanding the passion.

at the time of its release, i had the cd, and had memories of me listening to it, but the swirls of noise and melody not hitting me that much.

however, an hour ago i dropped the analogue remaster on, and suddenly i was back in '91 in our scum landlord underground one room bedsit with my newly wed wife, a little boombox/portable cd player, and our whole lives excitedly ahead of us.

as each track kicked in, my head just went 'oh fuck, i love this one .. '

the cd ended up going walkabouts when a friend emigrated to aus, ending up with me forgetting this album.

due to the heavy duty emotional kickback though, it could be a while before i listen to it again.

mark e, Thursday, 17 May 2012 17:21 (2 years ago) Permalink


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