tumblr rapper kitty pryde

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Has anyone complained about those things ITT though?

[tim F asking about my description of her vocal manner] no, but no one has really broken down what it is they dislike her. the criticism has been mostly of the "lol she sucks" variety, intermixed with the suggestion that she's getting attention for the wrong reasons, that others deserve it more, etc. i'm only suggesting that her very typically US-teen-girl-style vocal approach might be part of what causes people to dismiss her.

uh, "...what it is they dislike about her."

ery typically US-teen-girl-style vocal approach

i'm going to regret posting this but i have no idea what you mean here

i hate to keep bringing this up over and over again but i deal with teenage girls every freaking day (it's my job) and i've even studied them in graduate school and this shit is not as particularly challenging as you make it sound. sometimes they say smart things and sometimes they don't, sometimes they say cool things and sometimes they don't and it's not too hard to look past the "uptalk" to figure it out - especially since as a san diegan i speak in uptalk too even though i'm old, male and serious (NOW WHAT?!?)

well, i'm not talking about you, for one thing. i assume every individual has his or her reasons.

if there were a bunch of female rappers working this particular vocal style and exploring these themes, and if there were a high level of acceptance for this approach among older male rap heads, then i would probably be less inclined to wonder how big a role these things played in the rejection of KP.

\O_o/

i'm going to regret posting this but i have no idea what you mean here

went into it in a little more detail a few posts back: "the manner of speech: tones, inflections, cadences, giggling, uptalk." add breathiness, a particular and deliberate sort of flatness, the cartoonishly childlike tone she momentarily affects on the "i'm thirteen, what is lean? what is dream pop" line, etc.

i don't know what makes that typical of us teen girls

also just the straight-up sound of her voice. we can tell a lot about people just by listening to their voices: age and gender are obvious, and perhaps culture and where they call home (of course, we can be wrong about these things too). the sound of KPs voice, her basic tone and manner of speech convey something about her and her place in the world. we know she's not an old dude from latvia, for instance.

for the most part, she doesn't seem to be trying to "sound like a rapper". she's trying, if anything, to sound like an ordinary teenage white girl. that's not a common style in rap.

i don't know what makes that typical of us teen girls

well, the "voice" KP raps in is common among (and a specific signifier of) a particular segment of US teen girls. we know she's a young woman from the basic tone & timbre of her voice. we might reasonably suppose that she's an american teenager from her accent and vocal manners. we could probably deduce all that without even being able to understand english.

elementary, my dear watson

it's a reasonable answer to the question. you don't have to snark at everything i say just on principle.

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that mysterious "good" thing again...

― The term or title antichrist, in Christian theology, refers to (contenderizer), Monday, May 14, 2012 3:12 PM Bookmark

dude stop fucking acting like people who don't like her are trying to make objective statements from on high and not just stating their subjective opinions

i'm trying to prod people into explaining where they're coming from and what it is about her approach, specifically, that they think sucks so incredibly bad

inert music plus a voice with zero charisma or range sleepwalking through a recitation of inanities

see, and that wasnt even a real sentence let alone a graf

we know she's not an old dude from latvia, for instance. x1000

you disagree? i wouldn't have said it if ppl hadn't challenged me on the specifically teen-girlish qualities of KP's voice & style.

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see, and that wasnt even a real sentence let alone a graf

lol, i posted a similarly brief list of praiseworthy qualities about 3 miles back. the late great suggested that it might not be sufficient.

http://www.philipcoppens.com/socrates_1.jpg

not sufficient ... for somebody who's accusing everyone else of not being specific enough

also i hope you understand "sleepwalking through recitation of inanities" might carry more weight than "presenting a novel point of view", after all you like the beastie boys better than ICP

Don't agree with 'sleepwalking', though - whether you consider it a pro or con the way she accentuates lines like "but like, i'm open minded and it's fine" she's obviously inhabiting a deliberate personality (her own, probably). There's thought behind the delivery even it just amounts to 'this is how I would say it IRL conversation'.

whenever i find myself posting on one of these threads multiple times i have a vision of my grandfather in a muddy ditch, with water in his boots, being shot at by nazis, defending western civilization, and then wondering why he bothered.

inert music plus a voice with zero charisma or range sleepwalking through a recitation of inanities

think we all agree she's working with scraps music-wise. i'm overlooking that for the moment, cuz i don't think she's a producer, and her resources are probably limited. just a guess...

"zero charisma": i don't know, but fair complaint. she's not setting my world on fire, either.

the "limited range" i see as a strength. she's in character, and the low-intensity style is part of it.

"recitation of inanities", is both otm and missing the way she uses these "inanities" to describe character, culture, time and place - a detailed and authentic portrait of a life largely composed of such things. nothing wrong with that, imo. it's as appropriate and potentially interesting as any other subject matter. again, i don't think it's great, but i'm surprised that so many find it so notably awful.

not sufficient ... for somebody who's accusing everyone else of not being specific enough

yeah, strongo slammed me for going on. i defended myself by saying you'd found my sketch of her strengths a little thin. that's just the facts.

contenderizer have you heard of uffie

she's obviously inhabiting a deliberate personality (her own, probably). There's thought behind the delivery even it just amounts to 'this is how I would say it IRL conversation'

trying to figure out how a musician could fail these two criteria

http://www.nndb.com/people/490/000022424/charo-color-70.jpg

she's obviously inhabiting a deliberate personality (her own, probably). There's thought behind the delivery even it just amounts to 'this is how I would say it IRL conversation

http://www.s9.com/images/portraits/30214_Tiny-Tim.jpg

he's obviously inhabiting a deliberate personality (his own, probably). There's thought behind the delivery

contenderizer have you heard of uffie

lol, someone was playing her on outloud the other night. hadn't thought of her in forever. there's a curtis vodka remix i liked for a second, mostly because of the way it just goes "curtis curtis vodka vodka" for like two minutes at the end.

you know every time i make fun of uffie or use her as a punch line i feel a little guilty because her husband fell through a skylight and died

guilty lol

actually i think he was her boyfriend

or maybe just her friend i don't know

i did not know that

Not sure Mehdi and Uffie were dating.

[tim F asking about my description of her vocal manner] no, but no one has really broken down what it is they dislike her. the criticism has been mostly of the "lol she sucks" variety, intermixed with the suggestion that she's getting attention for the wrong reasons, that others deserve it more, etc. i'm only suggesting that her very typically US-teen-girl-style vocal approach might be part of what causes people to dismiss her.

If for example you compare two artists and say "this artist is getting more hype because she's conventionally pretty but that artist is better", it doesn't mean you think that being conventionally pretty is a bad thing, it means you think that it's relevant to the creation and maintenance of uneven playing fields.

All that said I'm not really concerned about kitty pryde creating uneven playing fields - at least not while even the positive reception seems limited to "lol watch this".

"Okay Cupid" <3<3

the manner of speech: tones, inflections, cadences, giggling, uptalk." add breathiness, a particular and deliberate sort of flatness, the cartoonishly childlike tone she momentarily affects on the "i'm thirteen, what is lean? what is dream pop" line, etc.

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i don't know what makes that typical of us teen girls

― call all destroyer, Monday, May 14, 2012 11:39 PM (Yesterday)

I aggressively sniped at call all destroyer in a baseball thread once; I feel really bad now, finding out he's a teen girl.

In the same way I think sports talk radio and ESPN is way more popular than *actual* sports, I think that we're starting to see ”the market” (in a broad sense) start to cater to the internets endless need to talk about and blog about stuff

Like this, I mean it's clearly designed more to be talked about than listened to

the internet has kind of become its own regional scene, surely i'm not the first person to say that (if not here)

i kinda think she's on to something tbh

If I like Uffie and Kreayshawn and Lady Sovereign, will I like Kitty Pryde?

certainly improves your chances

Jay, it's impossible to evaluate the quality of music so....

If for example you compare two artists and say "this artist is getting more hype because she's conventionally pretty but that artist is better", it doesn't mean you think that being conventionally pretty is a bad thing, it means you think that it's relevant to the creation and maintenance of uneven playing fields.

― Tim F, Tuesday, May 15, 2012 2:18 AM (8 hours ago)

sure, but if the criticism of an artist is limited to withering monosyllabic contempt, and her acclaim is being derided as a product of her appearance, it seems reasonable to at least question the relationship between the two.

85% chance this post was written while wearing a clown suit

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