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'dumb' was cruel coming from flopson but when you're right etc

Mordy, Tuesday, 15 May 2012 00:38 (2 years ago) Permalink

let's not hide between passive aggressive bullshit tho

like, i feel like we all ~know~ that the appeal is manic pixie dream girl already

what is being said here? that vice magazine gave coverage to this artist bc the editorial staff fantasized about being in a relationship with her?

Mordy, Tuesday, 15 May 2012 00:41 (2 years ago) Permalink

not actually, think it's more like that they like her persona, which i don't think is a particularly novel criticism of vice, i mean that's pretty much what people say about a lot of the celebrities that vice promotes (thinking terry richardson and dash snow for two)

anyway i scrolled up and the only thing you c/p'ed is whiney and its pretty clear whiney isn't so much complaining about kitty pryde as he is vice and complex

the late great, Tuesday, 15 May 2012 00:43 (2 years ago) Permalink

sort of strawmanning to claim anybody is getting angry about her music

i think there's a kind of blunt insistence to some of the "this sucks" posting that reads not as angry, perhaps, but as weirdly and even belligerently intolerant. people are posting as though the complete suckyness of this music is a settled issue, as though it's flat-out impossible that any sensible person might disagree. no substantial critique of the music has been offered, and certainly none that engages with it on its own terms, just some swipes at the hype machine.

The term or title antichrist, in Christian theology, refers to (contenderizer), Tuesday, 15 May 2012 00:44 (2 years ago) Permalink

idk why i'd stand up for vice tbh, except that i'm sleepy. it's pretty much the worst magazine in the world

Mordy, Tuesday, 15 May 2012 00:46 (2 years ago) Permalink

that mysterious "good" thing again...

― The term or title antichrist, in Christian theology, refers to (contenderizer), Monday, May 14, 2012 6:12 PM (2 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

what in the

call all destroyer, Tuesday, 15 May 2012 00:46 (2 years ago) Permalink

no substantial defense of the music has been raised other than "teenage girls are actually like this persona though" and "here's some awful lines + some fan art of kitty pryde"

the late great, Tuesday, 15 May 2012 00:47 (2 years ago) Permalink

dude read your last post itt that is NOT a mischaracterization

you don't have to respect it, but it was a serious (implied) question. how are you guys constructing "good" so as to categorically exclude this? what are the criteria? why are those criteria more valid than any other, or even interesting? what is the great sin of this music that causes it to be judged so horribly and completely bad?

if all anyone's saying is "i just don't like it", then fine. and if people want to object to it's cultural positioning and/or the way it's been hyped, that's fine too. but the latter isn't a critique of the music, and the former isn't a terribly compelling analysis.

The term or title antichrist, in Christian theology, refers to (contenderizer), Tuesday, 15 May 2012 00:48 (2 years ago) Permalink

it is some fucking level of paralysis-by-analysis when you have trouble saying that this music is not good

call all destroyer, Tuesday, 15 May 2012 00:48 (2 years ago) Permalink

and i don't understand what kind of "substantial critique" you'd be willing to accept when you've already claimed nobody here is qualified to hold an opinion of it because we're not teenage girls

the late great, Tuesday, 15 May 2012 00:49 (2 years ago) Permalink

wait why is this comparison supposed to be favorable 2 kp?

― man down (D-40), Tuesday, 15 May 2012 01:18 (30 minutes ago) Bookmark

the reference wasnt part of saying what her appeal is - i hadnt gone into that at all - the point of it was just to illustrate where i feel what appeal there is is even coming from in the first place. ie to break this chick's balls from the perspective of rap music is imo misguided and irrelevant

r|t|c, Tuesday, 15 May 2012 00:51 (2 years ago) Permalink

no substantial defense of the music has been raised other than "teenage girls are actually like this persona though" and "here's some awful lines + some fan art of kitty pryde"

that's not true. i've explained what i think is interesting about KP's writing, vocal style and persona. others have done the same. no one's spent a great deal of time elaborating these arguments, but no one has spent any time engaging with them or offering any kind of criticism beyond "lol she sucks".

The term or title antichrist, in Christian theology, refers to (contenderizer), Tuesday, 15 May 2012 00:51 (2 years ago) Permalink

rtc is like a coldblooded assasin of music snobbery & he called it "prime mf doom" (lol) & his single post itt in defence of this song is more valuable than your hundreds of posts handwringing about what is "good" and can we really say that this is "bad"

flopson, Tuesday, 15 May 2012 00:52 (2 years ago) Permalink

this girl has the personality of a teenager's tumblr. Her music is a trail of references spoken in a lazy way over lame 'cloud rap' production, which is already a dishwater dull genre as is. there's really nothing to engage w/ here imo.

man down (D-40), Tuesday, 15 May 2012 00:52 (2 years ago) Permalink

ie to break this chick's balls from the perspective of rap music is imo misguided and irrelevant

― r|t|c, Monday, May 14, 2012 7:51 PM (45 seconds ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

i think that the rap comparisons are less abt it failing on rap's terms & more why 'rap's terms' are such a detriment to high level coverage vs. 'tumblr twee terms'

man down (D-40), Tuesday, 15 May 2012 00:53 (2 years ago) Permalink

guess what NME praised the teenagers (french band) for ... if you guessed "self-aware" and "clever" you guessed right!

the late great, Tuesday, 15 May 2012 00:53 (2 years ago) Permalink

it is some fucking level of paralysis-by-analysis when you have trouble saying that this music is not good

― call all destroyer, Monday, 14 May 2012 20:48 (3 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

flopson, Tuesday, 15 May 2012 00:54 (2 years ago) Permalink

afaict contenderizer your reasons for liking this music were

"smart & funny" ... "POV cuz it's relatable, cleverly articulated and not often represented in her genre"

also "the giggly shit and passivity probably read "real" to the people who are into it"

the late great, Tuesday, 15 May 2012 00:55 (2 years ago) Permalink

"not often represented in her genre" = ... brings something fresh to the tired guns'n'hos cliches of the rap genre = surefire way to get people's goat on ilm

the late great, Tuesday, 15 May 2012 00:56 (2 years ago) Permalink

late great, what's the end game here? you tear contenderizer's spine out through his throat and the words 'fatality' stream across the ilx screen in blood?

Mordy, Tuesday, 15 May 2012 00:56 (2 years ago) Permalink

that would be sweet

the late great, Tuesday, 15 May 2012 00:57 (2 years ago) Permalink

can we make that happen?

the late great, Tuesday, 15 May 2012 00:58 (2 years ago) Permalink

and i don't understand what kind of "substantial critique" you'd be willing to accept when you've already claimed nobody here is qualified to hold an opinion of it because we're not teenage girls

uh, i know you hate this, but that isn't exactly what i said. i said that i have trouble relating to KP's style and persona, personally, and that i suspect that this is largely a product of what she embodies/represents: this specific version of teenage girlhood. like, i'm repelled not by a lack of quality, but by cultural difference. i wonder whether other people are similarly repelled. i wonder whether adult male music nerds as a group might be poorly suited to "getting" this music (and, sure, i suspect that this is actually the case).

but i'm not saying that i won't accept other opinions. i'm interested in other opinions. i'm especially interested in other people's analysis. what i'm not particularly interested in are "thumbs up"/"thumbs down" type verdicts.

The term or title antichrist, in Christian theology, refers to (contenderizer), Tuesday, 15 May 2012 00:58 (2 years ago) Permalink

late great, what's the end game here? you tear contenderizer's spine out through his throat and the words 'fatality' stream across the ilx screen in blood?

― Mordy, Monday, May 14, 2012 8:56 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

contenderizer already proved he has no spine by stanning for kitty pryde

thommys got bendz (Whiney G. Weingarten), Tuesday, 15 May 2012 00:59 (2 years ago) Permalink

(hold block) up up xxp

Mordy, Tuesday, 15 May 2012 01:00 (2 years ago) Permalink

here's my analysis: i don't really give a fuck what she's rapping about. she sounds like mc paul barman. i don't like mc paul barman.

call all destroyer, Tuesday, 15 May 2012 01:00 (2 years ago) Permalink

this girl has the personality of a teenager's tumblr. Her music is a trail of references spoken in a lazy way over lame 'cloud rap' production, which is already a dishwater dull genre as is. there's really nothing to engage w/ here imo.

― man down (D-40), Tuesday, 15 May 2012 01:52 (5 minutes ago) Bookmark

yeah that is 100% otm except for the fact that this particular teen's tumblr is, for some, pretty engageable

r|t|c, Tuesday, 15 May 2012 01:00 (2 years ago) Permalink

this girl has the personality of a teenager's tumblr. Her music is a trail of references spoken in a lazy way over lame 'cloud rap' production

what's wrong with "the personality of a teenager's tumblr"? it depends on the teenager, right? no group is intrinsically more or less interesting than any other. and lots of lyrics i like could be described as a "trail of references".

The term or title antichrist, in Christian theology, refers to (contenderizer), Tuesday, 15 May 2012 01:01 (2 years ago) Permalink

contenderizer already proved he has no spine by stanning for kitty pryde

well, it seems to be the least popular position available here, so...

and i don't like her music much, ftr

The term or title antichrist, in Christian theology, refers to (contenderizer), Tuesday, 15 May 2012 01:02 (2 years ago) Permalink

i think that the rap comparisons are less abt it failing on rap's terms & more why 'rap's terms' are such a detriment to high level coverage vs. 'tumblr twee terms'

― man down (D-40), Tuesday, 15 May 2012 01:53 (3 minutes ago) Bookmark

oh man what is this just the weeknd thread again?

r|t|c, Tuesday, 15 May 2012 01:02 (2 years ago) Permalink

cos if it is sarge better get his seinfeld gif out againt

r|t|c, Tuesday, 15 May 2012 01:03 (2 years ago) Permalink

sometimes contenderizer i'll realize that i'm arguing about something i'm not actually so invested in, and i'll decide that considering my lack of investment in the work, the amount of effort i'm putting into defending it isn't worth it. at that point i find something else to do.

Mordy, Tuesday, 15 May 2012 01:03 (2 years ago) Permalink

no group is intrinsically more or less interesting than any other

and that's why this year's oscar goes to ... VEGGIE TALES!

the late great, Tuesday, 15 May 2012 01:04 (2 years ago) Permalink

"not often represented in her genre" = ... brings something fresh to the tired guns'n'hos cliches of the rap genre = surefire way to get people's goat on ilm

then people need to step back, because that's an absurd projection. there are a great many voices that aren't often represented in every genre. that's fine, but it does tend to make voices that are less often represented seem somewhat novel, and there's nothing wrong with that, either.

The term or title antichrist, in Christian theology, refers to (contenderizer), Tuesday, 15 May 2012 01:06 (2 years ago) Permalink

sometimes contenderizer i'll realize that i'm arguing about something i'm not actually so invested in, and i'll decide that considering my lack of investment in the work, the amount of effort i'm putting into defending it isn't worth it. at that point i find something else to do.

shit, i might as well get it from all sides.

i'm interested in this discussion. i'm interested in the way this music relates to the culture at large. i'm interested in how people evaluate it and why. if that's not interest enough to justify my presence in this thread to you, then i don't know what to say.

The term or title antichrist, in Christian theology, refers to (contenderizer), Tuesday, 15 May 2012 01:07 (2 years ago) Permalink

like, i'm repelled not by a lack of quality, but by cultural difference

but she's not from a different culture! she's from the same culture as me! she has a supreme sticker on her laptop! i have like 20 supreme stickers! (in a drawer)

the late great, Tuesday, 15 May 2012 01:08 (2 years ago) Permalink

comparing one work in one medium to a different whole medium is just useless. this song is like a BOOK! that's good! this song is like a TUMBLR! that's bad! if you're operating at the same level of discourse as dj khaled that just stfu and go make moooovieeeees

kitty shayme (some dude), Tuesday, 15 May 2012 01:09 (2 years ago) Permalink

tbh, i kinda think you'd get more mileage out of this by just saying she's interesting from an anthropological perspective and being done with the hair splitting xxp

also

Mordy, Tuesday, 15 May 2012 01:10 (2 years ago) Permalink

the late great, Tuesday, 15 May 2012 01:14 (2 years ago) Permalink

tbh i have only really listened to 'ok cupid' but the only 'reference' i can remember from that track is frank ocean

max, Tuesday, 15 May 2012 01:14 (2 years ago) Permalink

pfft. i was reading kitty pryde comics when i was 10. my love is platonic. xp

Mordy, Tuesday, 15 May 2012 01:15 (2 years ago) Permalink

Kitty expressed a romantic interest in Colossus early into her time with the X-Men. This did not sit well with Marvel Comics' editor-in-chief at the time, Jim Shooter, who disapproved of the suggestion that a 19-year-old was sleeping with a 14-year-old girl.

the late great, Tuesday, 15 May 2012 01:15 (2 years ago) Permalink

there was no suggestion iirc, she just had a crush on him?

Mordy, Tuesday, 15 May 2012 01:16 (2 years ago) Permalink

afaict contenderizer your reasons for liking this music were

"smart & funny" ... "POV cuz it's relatable, cleverly articulated and not often represented in her genre"

also "the giggly shit and passivity probably read "real" to the people who are into it"

yeah, exactly. i could expand on that, go into the way "justin bieber" starts out aggressively dumb-simple but then develops lyrical and rhythmic complexity, the way it flaunts but also sarcastically subverts its own dorkiness without ever denying it, the way her performances push back and forth between "i'm just goofing" and "i'm really doing this" to engaging effect, the specificity subtlety and authenticity of the POV she articulates. right? these are things we could talk about if we wanted.

The term or title antichrist, in Christian theology, refers to (contenderizer), Tuesday, 15 May 2012 01:18 (2 years ago) Permalink

well, really only you can talk about them since they're your opinions

the late great, Tuesday, 15 May 2012 01:22 (2 years ago) Permalink

but she's not from a different culture! she's from the same culture as me! she has a supreme sticker on her laptop! i have like 20 supreme stickers! (in a drawer)

yeah, but you know what i mean. the cultural island inhabited by teenage girls (and especially by the specific aspects of teenage girlhood to which KP's devoting herself at this point) is not often "shared" with, deeply understood by or terribly well respected by adult men. that's a good thing, probably!

The term or title antichrist, in Christian theology, refers to (contenderizer), Tuesday, 15 May 2012 01:28 (2 years ago) Permalink

man if everybody on this thread was in group therapy together instead of the internet then this thread would be a very intense phase in the group's growth because there is a lot going on here imo that has to do with self-identification thru music & "ownership" of genre etc & a lot of that shit runs super deep for a lot of people & especially for music dudes

and has less, it goes w/o saying, to do with an artist who literally everybody will have trouble remembering in 2014

cosi fan whitford (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Tuesday, 15 May 2012 01:29 (2 years ago) Permalink

i kinda think you'd get more mileage out of this by just saying she's interesting from an anthropological perspective and being done with the hair splitting

yeah, okay, that's probably good advice

plus aero otm

The term or title antichrist, in Christian theology, refers to (contenderizer), Tuesday, 15 May 2012 01:30 (2 years ago) Permalink

I dunno, I feel I understand where KP is coming from (even if it annoys me when she says "justin beiber really needs to call me though", perhaps because I'm not sure what the "though" is reacting to in what she's already said). I don't get the impression that any of the haters in the thread are objecting to the subject matter or the stance KP takes vis a vis her "culture" or whatevs. And if she chose not to rap in that matter and be more profesh I don't see how this would change the extent to which she is devoting herself to "specific aspects of teenage girlhood" (since as far as i'm aware neither MF Doom nor Paul Barman comprise specific aspects of teenage girlhood).

Most importantly the backing music is 100% designed for 20 something men. And is the "in" which makes this tumblr/fader worthy. I suspect a lot of haters ITT would like this more (or at least hate it less) if it was actually a stoner Daphne & Celeste rather than a stoner Daphne & Celeste as imagined by CloudDEAD.

Tim F, Tuesday, 15 May 2012 01:34 (2 years ago) Permalink

extraneous use of "though" is part of the teenspeak uptalking 'every sentence sounds like a question or refutation even if it isn't' thing iirc

kitty shayme (some dude), Tuesday, 15 May 2012 01:38 (2 years ago) Permalink


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