Marnie is probably my least favorite; she's just so, I dunno, emotionally dishonest with herself? And with her boyfriend. Her whole relationship with him was horrid.
― Peppermint Patty Hearst (VegemiteGrrl), Monday, 14 May 2012 22:22 (eleven years ago) link
But now we get to see her go on the rebound w/arty types!
― Love Max Ophüls of us all (Michael White), Monday, 14 May 2012 22:23 (eleven years ago) link
I'm hopeful of good things, or at least lols
― Peppermint Patty Hearst (VegemiteGrrl), Monday, 14 May 2012 22:26 (eleven years ago) link
don't dislike marnie, but don't have any kind of strong response to her. she's just there.
― The term or title antichrist, in Christian theology, refers to (contenderizer), Monday, 14 May 2012 22:28 (eleven years ago) link
was repelled by her arc w/ her boyfriend because i mean it is not her fault that she's no longer attracted to him and it's inevitable to feel kinda frustrated and angry when you start to realize how not-attracted you are to the person you're supposed to be in love with and natural that this anger's initial direction would be towards him but she sucked so bad at recognizing and dealing with this and hurt him like crazy out of what just seemed like irritable petulance that her life was not as she'd like, plus she's boring
― good men like my father, or president truman (difficult listening hour), Monday, 14 May 2012 22:28 (eleven years ago) link
In other words, she's young and not terribly worldly...
― Love Max Ophüls of us all (Michael White), Monday, 14 May 2012 22:30 (eleven years ago) link
well they're all that! idk i know plenty of twentysomethings capable of a reasonable level of thoughtfulness.
― good men like my father, or president truman (difficult listening hour), Monday, 14 May 2012 22:30 (eleven years ago) link
when she started crying about 'please don't dump me' I had an instant lightbulb: I totally know that girl!!
― Peppermint Patty Hearst (VegemiteGrrl), Monday, 14 May 2012 22:32 (eleven years ago) link
I think part of the show's shtick is how immature they all are. I'm not accusing all 23-year-olds of being like this but they sure seem to be.
"Living the dream. One mistake at a time."
― Love Max Ophüls of us all (Michael White), Monday, 14 May 2012 22:33 (eleven years ago) link
but she sucked so bad at recognizing and dealing with this and hurt him like crazy out of what just seemed like irritable petulance that her life was not as she'd like
yeah, she was jerky and he got hurt, but then again, he asked for it and should have known better. nothing that happened there inclined me to take sides with either of them. plus they were both ridiculous and horrible to hannah about the not-a-journal, enough so that i figured they deserved whatever they got.
― The term or title antichrist, in Christian theology, refers to (contenderizer), Monday, 14 May 2012 22:34 (eleven years ago) link
some more than others for sure. there's just sort of an emotional finding-your-way about your early 20's that does ring kinda true with some of their situations, for sure. at least for me, anyway.
― Peppermint Patty Hearst (VegemiteGrrl), Monday, 14 May 2012 22:35 (eleven years ago) link
(xpost)
I concur, the irony being that she's basically saying that pc be damned, they're not quite young women, they're GIRLS.
― Love Max Ophüls of us all (Michael White), Monday, 14 May 2012 22:37 (eleven years ago) link
oh she's totally a real type; i don't think her character is an error on the show's part or anything.
― good men like my father, or president truman (difficult listening hour), Monday, 14 May 2012 22:37 (eleven years ago) link
I think the Freaks and Geeks comparison upthread feels somewhat true to me; maybe not to the same degree but I do like the emotional truth of it, and I'm kind of enjoying revisiting memories of my friends at I at around that age and realizing how smart we thought we were but still on a weekly basis it was always drama with someone somewhere over completely wtf situations
― Peppermint Patty Hearst (VegemiteGrrl), Monday, 14 May 2012 22:40 (eleven years ago) link
my limited experience in relationships has convinced me that there aren't too many "guilty parties" when it comes to the things people do together (not counting outright abuse or cheating and other extracurricular activities). manipulators definitely exist, but they have to be paired with those who choose to be manipulated in order to fully exercise their powers, and i'm not inclined to lay blame in such situations.
― The term or title antichrist, in Christian theology, refers to (contenderizer), Monday, 14 May 2012 22:41 (eleven years ago) link
i don't think her boyfriend is a blameless victim (and i'm not at all perplexed by her boredom w/ him) but yknow. still possible to be turned off by the way people conduct themselves w/r/t other people, even in the mess of a collapsing relationship.
― good men like my father, or president truman (difficult listening hour), Monday, 14 May 2012 22:45 (eleven years ago) link
that weird slow/motionless sex they had a couple of episodes back was the best case that BOTH of them were the worst in their relationship. I mean seriously
― Peppermint Patty Hearst (VegemiteGrrl), Monday, 14 May 2012 22:49 (eleven years ago) link
otm
― The term or title antichrist, in Christian theology, refers to (contenderizer), Monday, 14 May 2012 22:55 (eleven years ago) link
for some reason, the line "no, $30, because i want pizza and gum" made me laugh pretty hard.
― how did we get here how? (ytth), Tuesday, 15 May 2012 03:07 (eleven years ago) link
this episode was almost enjoyable!
― homosexual II, Tuesday, 15 May 2012 03:42 (eleven years ago) link
she sucked so bad at recognizing and dealing with this and hurt him like crazy out of what just seemed like irritable petulance that her life was not as she'd like
sadsack boyfriend's apartment makes me want to go buy a truckload of cabinet-grade plywood
― Kiarostami bag (milo z), Tuesday, 15 May 2012 04:07 (eleven years ago) link
me too. immediately thought, "why haven't i built me a loft?"
― The term or title antichrist, in Christian theology, refers to (contenderizer), Tuesday, 15 May 2012 04:11 (eleven years ago) link
or, more practically, some shelves and a table
racing car bed is the only correct answer here
― Peppermint Patty Hearst (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 15 May 2012 04:38 (eleven years ago) link
can't sleep clown will eat me
― (Name Withheld to Avoid Hassle) (forksclovetofu), Tuesday, 15 May 2012 05:44 (eleven years ago) link
HALLO JOE
― Peppermint Patty Hearst (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 15 May 2012 05:46 (eleven years ago) link
i dont dislike any of the characters, they are all funny & good
― man down (D-40), Tuesday, 15 May 2012 06:12 (eleven years ago) link
its like 'disliking' george costanza or something
good point, I hadn't thought about it that way
― Peppermint Patty Hearst (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 15 May 2012 06:17 (eleven years ago) link
Something about Adam's face reminds me of one of those dirt cheap animations where they superimpose moving lips onto a still picture.
Also Hannah trying to fuck her boss was sooooooooo uncomfortable and also pretty out of character! Wtf!
― a parker full of poseys (Stevie D(eux)), Tuesday, 15 May 2012 14:22 (eleven years ago) link
But George is cartoonishly awful, and you're never meant to empathize. He's all schadenfreude. but these characters are rooted in some semblance of reality, and intended to be somewhat sympathetic. No? Dunham in her interviews has not indicated they're meant to be the object of scorn or ridicule or anything. I think she wants it to be funny, but she also wants it to reflect her experiences.
― Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 15 May 2012 14:27 (eleven years ago) link
i think george is supposed to be sort of sympathetic
― max, Tuesday, 15 May 2012 14:28 (eleven years ago) link
george is the best and most likable seinfeld character. (well elaine is pretty likable, too, but george is definitely the triumph of characterization.)
― horseshoe, Tuesday, 15 May 2012 14:59 (eleven years ago) link
not that likable is the point, but he is sympathetic a lot of the time!
in other news, i am an old lady because jemima kirke is so beautiful and when she was all dolled up for her date with her ex-bf i was like, you'd be so pretty if you wiped some of that junk off your face! like it was really bothering me
― horseshoe, Tuesday, 15 May 2012 15:00 (eleven years ago) link
Yeah, it was definitely dress-up lipstick; wrong color, overdone, smelled of artifice.
― Love Max Ophüls of us all (Michael White), Tuesday, 15 May 2012 15:03 (eleven years ago) link
but these characters are rooted in some semblance of reality, and intended to be somewhat sympathetic. No? Dunham in her interviews has not indicated they're meant to be the object of scorn or ridicule or anything. I think she wants it to be funny, but she also wants it to reflect her experiences.
― Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 15 May 2012 15:27 (32 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
yeah i just don't think this is at all true. dunham's MO is lacerating, self-loathing critique of her crowd, or of flaws endemic to her peers, at least; that doesn't preclude affection, and being relateable, but she has perspective & weights stories to reveal the flaws of her protagonists - the solipsism that makes hannah vapidly wonder if she wished she had AIDS, &c, or ask if her roomie liked the writing of her diary. have you seen tiny furniture? there's a tipping point someway through when it becomes apparent she's not shooting for some kind of redemptive or charming turnaround but for the characters being real and deeply flawed, kinda almost just wrong (cf her & adorable frankie). & i'm sure you can find that sympathetic!, on account of its realism, but i don't think she's just doing a short-sighted job of painting sympathetic characters, accidentally tarring them with grave personality defects.
― blossom smulch (schlump), Tuesday, 15 May 2012 15:04 (eleven years ago) link
also i thought this episode did a very good job of making sadsack boyfriend really sympathetic and then, when he's bargaining with marnie during the sex scene, kind of repulsive, so that as a viewer you're kind of aligned with marnie when she's like ugh, i want to break up.
xp i liked the lipstick color, it was the white powder on her face that bugged me.
― horseshoe, Tuesday, 15 May 2012 15:04 (eleven years ago) link
GIRLS talk (wrong color, overdone, smelled of artifice) 10000 new answers
yeah man marnie and charlie had the worst relationship, they are both way better off out of that nonsense, i hope this doesnt mean the end of his jerky pal as a character though, that guy makes me laugh
― max, Tuesday, 15 May 2012 15:08 (eleven years ago) link
yeah that guy is hilarious and such an effortless asshole--i always wonder if he improvised some of his dialogue in tiny furniture and in girls.
― horseshoe, Tuesday, 15 May 2012 15:10 (eleven years ago) link
Effortless asshole is a great description. He's not even overcompensating or anything, he's just a dick, albeit a funny one.
― Love Max Ophüls of us all (Michael White), Tuesday, 15 May 2012 15:15 (eleven years ago) link
he owns like 0 shirts as far as I can tell
― Peppermint Patty Hearst (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 15 May 2012 15:19 (eleven years ago) link
oh i didn't mean shirtless dude, i meant sadsack boyfriend's jerky friend
― horseshoe, Tuesday, 15 May 2012 15:21 (eleven years ago) link
Ray
― raw feel vegan (silby), Tuesday, 15 May 2012 15:23 (eleven years ago) link
Come on the characters have goddamn names
i don't know the names of any character on any hbo show except for karl pilkington
― (Name Withheld to Avoid Hassle) (forksclovetofu), Tuesday, 15 May 2012 15:33 (eleven years ago) link
veep/game of thrones/treme/boardwalk empire/girls = total blank on anyone's nameexcept zao zosa zim zangafin or whatever the evil dude with the 13 is named.
― (Name Withheld to Avoid Hassle) (forksclovetofu), Tuesday, 15 May 2012 15:34 (eleven years ago) link
I know the girls names; the guys get a little murky
― Peppermint Patty Hearst (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 15 May 2012 15:36 (eleven years ago) link