'Disintegration' vs 'Violator': a POLL

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Disintegration is like warm summer rain, while Violator is more like... hanging out at IKEA and wishing you'd brought a jacket.

the girl from spirea x (f. hazel), Monday, 14 May 2012 18:54 (2 years ago) Permalink

I never listened to all of Violator until this year. It's amazing! Such masterful production.

I don't think I've ever been able to sit through all of Disintegration at once.

EveningStar (Sund4r), Monday, 14 May 2012 20:03 (2 years ago) Permalink

What Sund4r said. Violator is great!

โตเกียวเหมียวเหมียว aka Bulgarian Tourist Chamber (Mount Cleaners), Monday, 14 May 2012 20:05 (2 years ago) Permalink

Disintegration is my all time favorite album. it open with "Plainsong" for heaven sake.

Bee OK, Tuesday, 15 May 2012 02:20 (2 years ago) Permalink

lord knows I love Depeche Mode, and Violator is a fantastic album even if it's not my favorite DM moment - it's got great beats and synths and hooks and melodies and it's easily the slicker and sexier of these two choices - but Disintegration fucking breathes fire while being one of the most palpably cold albums ever recorded and it hits me hard in a way that few albums can. Plainsong. The title track. Good lord.

crüt, Tuesday, 15 May 2012 03:41 (2 years ago) Permalink

The two albums are really not that similar imo.

EveningStar (Sund4r), Tuesday, 15 May 2012 03:47 (2 years ago) Permalink

They're not, but they both represent the commercial and what many consider the artistic peak of both bands and they came out at roughly the same time and appealed to the same crowd.

LeRooLeRoo, Tuesday, 15 May 2012 05:04 (2 years ago) Permalink

I was always a bigger Cure fan, so it's Disintegration easy for me. But even so, and I know I'm on my own on this one, Violator kind of disappointed me after Music For The Masses.

LeRooLeRoo, Tuesday, 15 May 2012 05:06 (2 years ago) Permalink

I really thought my Cure fandom was waning until I saw this poll.

I'M THAT POSTA, AAAAAAAAAH (DJP), Tuesday, 15 May 2012 07:20 (2 years ago) Permalink

I like both of these albums and have played the shit out of both in the past, but neither of these albums are my favourite album by either band. Violator is something like my 4th favourite Depeche Mode album, and Disintegration wouldn't even make my Top 5 Cure albums.

The Jupiter 8 (Turrican), Tuesday, 15 May 2012 16:52 (2 years ago) Permalink

disintegration

it's so cold it's like the cold if you were dead

mookieproof, Tuesday, 15 May 2012 16:56 (2 years ago) Permalink

Favourite DM album vs 3rd favourite Cure album. Josh OTM about being able to play Violator whenever but needing to immerse yourself in Disintegration so they're completely different listening experiences but the sound of Violator is so perfect - black and hard and shiny like a beetle.

Get wolves (DL), Tuesday, 15 May 2012 16:59 (2 years ago) Permalink

In the UK/Europe, did/do people see these two as appealing to the same crowd?

EveningStar (Sund4r), Tuesday, 15 May 2012 21:11 (2 years ago) Permalink

Generally speaking, I'd say no.

nate woolls, Tuesday, 15 May 2012 21:13 (2 years ago) Permalink

Absolutely, in my experience. Depeche Mode, New Order and the Cure were the holy trinity for my friends when I was 15, 16. We all had Disintegration, Violator and Technique - three big post-punk bands hitting their commercial (and arguably creative) peaks at around the same time. They felt inseparable to me.

Get wolves (DL), Tuesday, 15 May 2012 22:30 (2 years ago) Permalink

Seconded -- in America. The Holy Trinity dictum applied.

Exile in lolville (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 15 May 2012 22:32 (2 years ago) Permalink

In America Technique was not as ubiquitous or as big a seller as the other two though.

Exile in lolville (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 15 May 2012 22:33 (2 years ago) Permalink

I dunno, Violator was massive at the time even amongst the normals at my high school, whilst Disintegration hit only amongst the moodier alt-y kids.

Euler, Tuesday, 15 May 2012 22:45 (2 years ago) Permalink

i traded bob mould's workbook to an acquaintance for disintegration

i won

mookieproof, Tuesday, 15 May 2012 23:14 (2 years ago) Permalink

"Love Song," man

xpost

Exile in lolville (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 15 May 2012 23:21 (2 years ago) Permalink

People really think of DM and synthpop-era New Order as "postpunk"?

EveningStar (Sund4r), Tuesday, 15 May 2012 23:41 (2 years ago) Permalink

Depeche Mode were always bigger with the normals (especially girls) than The Cure.

LeRooLeRoo, Tuesday, 15 May 2012 23:42 (2 years ago) Permalink

(I knew that people lump(ed) these groups, and even the Smiths, together in North America, though I never really thought anyone associated them with punk in North America. I was curious how people from their home country saw it, because they don't necessarily seem all that similar. In fact, I'd assumed that half the reason North Americans grouped them together was because they were British. My sense was that the Smiths were definitely categorized differently from DM in the UK, as were the Mary Chain.)

EveningStar (Sund4r), Tuesday, 15 May 2012 23:45 (2 years ago) Permalink

I never really thought anyone associated them with punk in North America.

DM/NO anyway.

EveningStar (Sund4r), Tuesday, 15 May 2012 23:48 (2 years ago) Permalink

I remember a Smash Hits cover with New Order that had the headline: "We're the last punks left!" in 1987. As a North American teenager it was really confusing to me, because I had no idea of their background and associated them with dance pop like the Pet Shop Boys and Madonna.

LeRooLeRoo, Tuesday, 15 May 2012 23:57 (2 years ago) Permalink

If this helps the Smiths' last three albums are certified gold in America, NO have three, and Depeche Mode and the Cure each boast several albums that have gone at least platinum.

Exile in lolville (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 15 May 2012 23:57 (2 years ago) Permalink

I vividly remember tons of folks in high school with "Disintegration" t-shirts after the show. Never saw a "Violator" shirt. But in college, I saw tons of "Songs of Faith and Devotion" shirts.

Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 16 May 2012 00:49 (2 years ago) Permalink

Violator makes the best shirt of these.

Word of Wisdom Robots (Abbbottt), Wednesday, 16 May 2012 00:51 (2 years ago) Permalink

I had 4 different tshirts from the Violator tour, I remember spending all of my disposable income on them. I wish I still had them, they were awesome.

Respectfully, Tyrese Gibson (Nicole), Wednesday, 16 May 2012 01:23 (2 years ago) Permalink

yeah, "Love Song" was an honest smash, but DM were a party band by comparison

Euler, Wednesday, 16 May 2012 01:29 (2 years ago) Permalink

i didn't hear depeche mode (or the smiths) until somewhat later, but there was a guy in my high school who was into hot hot hot.

he was on my basketball team and was the fucking dirtiest player you can imagine -- he'd step on peoples' feet, yank your jersey, spit on you, whatever.

i'm curious what he thought of disintegration.

mookieproof, Wednesday, 16 May 2012 01:31 (2 years ago) Permalink

I was waiting for you to say he hooked up with the power forward.

Exile in lolville (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 16 May 2012 01:35 (2 years ago) Permalink

Roffle.

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 16 May 2012 01:41 (2 years ago) Permalink

haha i was the power forward

mookieproof, Wednesday, 16 May 2012 01:42 (2 years ago) Permalink

iykwim

mookieproof, Wednesday, 16 May 2012 01:43 (2 years ago) Permalink

what

crüt, Wednesday, 16 May 2012 02:00 (2 years ago) Permalink

disintegration is pretty good so i voted for it

sleepingbag, Wednesday, 16 May 2012 02:09 (2 years ago) Permalink

no one in 20 odd years attempted to recreate the sound of disintegration, i'm constantly amazed by that. lots of bands are taking cues from early cure these days but you won't get disintegration-type records any time soon. for such an era defining album that's pretty weird, the lack of inheritors i mean.

cock chirea, Wednesday, 16 May 2012 03:26 (2 years ago) Permalink

well, no one is as sad as robert smith

mookieproof, Wednesday, 16 May 2012 03:27 (2 years ago) Permalink

Absolutely, in my experience. Depeche Mode, New Order and the Cure were the holy trinity for my friends when I was 15, 16.

everybody in my circle would rep for New Order & the Cure, Depeche Mode was not even considered anywhere near that level & I'd still argue that. "Words like violence/break the silence" Jesus Christ dude even Barney is better than that & he's terrible

cosi fan whitford (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Wednesday, 16 May 2012 03:48 (2 years ago) Permalink

oh shi

mookieproof, Wednesday, 16 May 2012 03:50 (2 years ago) Permalink

Here comes love, it's like violence/You can't buy it with silence

the fey monster (ledge), Wednesday, 16 May 2012 08:27 (2 years ago) Permalink

Well, at least Barney does not impart his nonsense with portent. You get the feeling he views lyrics as a formality. Martin Gore one imagines considers his lyrics poetry of the heart.

Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 16 May 2012 14:17 (2 years ago) Permalink

Or the music of the night.

Respectfully, Tyrese Gibson (Nicole), Wednesday, 16 May 2012 15:50 (2 years ago) Permalink

Absolutely, in my experience. Depeche Mode, New Order and the Cure were the holy trinity for my friends when I was 15, 16. We all had Disintegration, Violator and Technique - three big post-punk bands hitting their commercial (and arguably creative) peaks at around the same time. They felt inseparable to me.

― Get wolves (DL), Tuesday, May 15, 2012 6:30 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

and

I knew that people lump(ed) these groups, and even the Smiths, together in North America

lol, yeah

For most of my life (from early teens through pretty recently) if you'd asked me who my all time fav bands were My answer would have been these four though which order I'd rank them in has changed throughout the years.

wolf kabob (ENBB), Wednesday, 16 May 2012 15:54 (2 years ago) Permalink

My best friend's mom let her older sister paint the walls of her bedroom black and paint the lyrics to "Pictures of You" on it in swirly Cure script. I thought it was just about the coolest thing I'd ever seen.

wolf kabob (ENBB), Wednesday, 16 May 2012 15:56 (2 years ago) Permalink

Echo & the Bunnymen was certainly a big part of that milieu, too, for a while at least. John Hughes knew what was up.

Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 16 May 2012 17:15 (2 years ago) Permalink

Didn't think E&tB had anything close to the stature of these other bands this side of the Atlantic? According to Wikipedia, they peaked at #51 on the US album charts, #41 on Canada's. No silver or gold albums afaik.

EveningStar (Sund4r), Wednesday, 16 May 2012 17:20 (2 years ago) Permalink

yeah &B had a clutch of college radio singles played a bit in the US but nothing like the Cure, NO, or Depeche's sales.

Exile in lolville (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 16 May 2012 17:21 (2 years ago) Permalink

I just know what people in my class had on their Trapper Keepers.

Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 16 May 2012 17:21 (2 years ago) Permalink

Violator = Better Singles.
Disintegration = Better Album.

They're both great tho. They should be friends and hang out instead of fighting over which one is better. A tied result would be fair.

Moka, Sunday, 20 May 2012 12:06 (2 years ago) Permalink

I love the Violator singles (esp "World In My Eyes" and "Policy of Truth") but all four of the Disintegration singles are outstanding. Also all of you people bagging on the second half of the album, particularly "The Same Deep Water As You", are fucking INSANE.

I'M THAT POSTA, AAAAAAAAAH (DJP), Sunday, 20 May 2012 15:15 (2 years ago) Permalink

what he said

balls, Sunday, 20 May 2012 15:22 (2 years ago) Permalink

Dan, I think it's just that "Same Deep Water As You" is a breaking point for some. It's a 10 minute dirge without the bite of the title track, so I can imagine if someone makes it that far under duress, it could be just what it takes to make them turn it off. I mean, I like it fine, but as I said upthread, it entails a certain degree of commitment.

Josh in Chicago, Sunday, 20 May 2012 16:18 (2 years ago) Permalink

actually my only complaint about Disintegration is that "Same Deep Water As You" isn't ten million years long. they really fucked that one up.

crüt, Sunday, 20 May 2012 16:26 (2 years ago) Permalink

that includes at least 1.2 million years of thunder sounds

crüt, Sunday, 20 May 2012 16:26 (2 years ago) Permalink

I imagine for some people, "Disintegration" is just the infinite soundtrack to their sad, lonely, thunder-rumble of a life. ***sighs/cries***

Josh in Chicago, Sunday, 20 May 2012 16:31 (2 years ago) Permalink

Automatic thread bump. This poll's results are now in.

System, Monday, 21 May 2012 00:01 (2 years ago) Permalink

righteous.

crüt, Monday, 21 May 2012 00:07 (2 years ago) Permalink

Ugh.

EveningStar (Sund4r), Monday, 21 May 2012 00:16 (2 years ago) Permalink

crütm

mookieproof, Monday, 21 May 2012 00:21 (2 years ago) Permalink

yeah, and it wasn't even close.

Bee OK, Monday, 21 May 2012 02:04 (2 years ago) Permalink

If I get 67 ballots in for my Cure poll in a couple of weeks I'll be v v happy.

nate woolls, Monday, 21 May 2012 06:08 (2 years ago) Permalink

I think I forgot to vote in the end! (think I would have gone for Violatot TBH but not like it'd have made a difference)

They have fangs, They have teeth! (White Chocolate Cheesecake), Monday, 21 May 2012 07:44 (2 years ago) Permalink

I think the Cure poll is going to be fantastic nate. Big fanbase on ILX and no obvious Top 10. They're the kind of band whose most loved songs often aren't the big singles.

Get wolves (DL), Monday, 21 May 2012 15:20 (2 years ago) Permalink

Seeing as none of the polls in the mean time interest me much I though I'd get a start on my Cure ballot. I could go with 20 'b' sides and be more than happy with ensuing playlist! Just as well I've a few weeks to ruminate 'cos my initial list is 50+ thus far.

pandemic, Tuesday, 22 May 2012 10:11 (2 years ago) Permalink


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