tumblr rapper kitty pryde

contenderizer you are being a little bit too uncynical imo

Can't believe people on a music message board would value the opinions of experts.

the fact that someone is up on every punk rock record ever made doesn't make their opinion of spiral scratch any more valid to me than anyone else's. the expert can drop knowledge and make connections in ways that the novice can't match, and that's great, but taste isn't validated by expertise or invalidated by its absence. it just is. lots of vastly knowledgeable experts have shitty ideas, or no ideas at all. and relative novices often have interesting things to say. imo.

Let me tell you about Lil B then

lol, i sometimes like lil b. don't have the patience to wade through the torrent though.

cant u just admit that this shit sucks! i know you think it sucks!!

LOL

also it is hilarious & perfect that unperson of all people likes this

re: expertise, i think teens would be a better set of "experts" to consult on the worthiness of this shit than professional rap critics, who i assume would reject it out of hand

listening to everything teenagers tell you in a transparent effort to appear down is not the wave

otm

also d'uh some teens will like this, others won't

some of the teens who like it will be cool inevitably but none of the adults or music critics who do will be

"david shapiro" is like a lump of cancer cells that became sentient and then decided to spend its time writing blog posts about how cancer is misunderstood.

ouch

really though aren't all humans kind of like a lump of cancer cells that became sentient and then decided to spend its time writing blog posts about how cancer is misunderstood?

"when i finally decided to kill myself, i thought about an ilm post that finally seemed to sum up humanity for me."

no way! that's a gold star cancer there.

listening to everything teenagers tell you in a transparent effort to appear down is not the wave

yeah, maybe, but i'm not into it, so i'm not too fussed.

sure, some teens will be into kitty pryde while others won't. that much is obvious enough. i meant that this strikes me as music made by and for teens, thus best evaluated by them, according to whatever weird teenage criteria they have bouncing around in their heads. when they group up, they'll re-evaluate it, and only then will we get any useful perspective on it.

of course grown-ups in the here and now will have and express opinions about it, too. we'll do this because we can't help ourselves, but grown-up opinion seems almost completely irrelevant. this music isn't for us, so the fact that many of us will hate it is no more interesting to me than the fact that a few will inevitably like it (though the former do seem a bit less creepy).

^ a weird stance to take, i guess, esp since i do actively hate a lot of teen shit - ICP, for instance. in this particular case, though, the opinions of adults (adult men, especially) seem completely beside the point.

also, i get really grossed out then straight guys who like attractive women fault attractive women for the success their appearance (arguably) earns them. something fucked about that dynamic.

then = when

also d'uh some teens will like this, others won't

enjoy the implication that "rap experts" are different in this

its pop music. its all 'teen shit'

think it's ridiculous seeing grown-ass music writers, the likes of whom may have championed, say, rock n roll, girl groups, pop punk, pop, etc, write off music for being too teenage, or imply it's inappropriate to see the relevance in it because you're too old. I mean, if you follow pop as an adult, then you're kind of being a manchild by that logic yourself

the real issue I think is some people find it outside of the boundaries of what they're equipped to write about anymore so it pisses them off

its pop music. its all 'teen shit'

yeah, to varying degrees. from where i stand (sit) as a grown-ass man, this seems much farther away from my world & concerns than most pop. like i can kind of relate to odd future, for instance, maybe cuz i was a suburban teenage boy myself. same goes for skrillex, in its way. and i can relate to pop music made by older women when it describes a world i'm familiar with and/or interested in. but this is just another planet. and i invite the denizens of that planet to have at it, cuz i can't imagine that rap experts will be any better equipped to negotiate it than i am.

ugh, good job being terrible about talking about everything, ilx

you know what's crazy tho is there are like....teenage girls who are making good rap music and kitty pryde isn't one them

maybe i'm not paying close enough attention and 'kitty pryde' just got a number one record release, the front cover of RS, and a favorable P4k review so a ton of male music critics screaming about how mediocre she is on ilx is not creepy at all.

'screaming'

i wish someone would wipe a magnet on the fucking internet and erase it

― thommys got bendz (Whiney G. Weingarten), Thursday, May 10, 2012 3:32 PM (2 days ago)

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if you're getting all hot defending your privilege to throw an internet tantrum bc ppl like something you don't, u should just know in advance that it's nagl

think it's ridiculous seeing grown-ass music writers, the likes of whom may have championed, say, rock n roll, girl groups, pop punk, pop, etc, write off music for being too teenage, or imply it's inappropriate to see the relevance in it because you're too old. I mean, if you follow pop as an adult, then you're kind of being a manchild by that logic yourself

the real issue I think is some people find it outside of the boundaries of what they're equipped to write about anymore so it pisses them off

― Chris S, Saturday, May 12, 2012 6:45 PM (19 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

i write about lots of teen artists. good ones, who make good songs. acting like theres some kind of mysterious generational divide that grown folks cant possibly understand is bizarre.

if you're getting all hot defending your privilege to throw an internet tantrum bc ppl like something you don't, u should just know in advance that it's nagl

― Mordy, Saturday, May 12, 2012 7:07 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

maybe YOURE the one throwing the internet tantrum ...! hmmmmmmmm

think it's okay to criticize music made by teenagers for being teenage, i think it's pretty clear that there's stuff "for kids" that reflects themes adults can relate to (finding nemo) and stuff "for kids" that's just bullshit for small minds (gi joe), similarly i think there's stuff by teenagers that has depth and stuff that doesn't

the idea that teenagers shouldn't be judged by adult standards is just ... teenage

i guess i'm kind of doing what chris s was complaining about, but stepping back and recusing myself instead of getting pissed off and hating. i think a lot of teen musical culture gets short shrift from adult critics, whether it be nu-metal, emo, drop-driven dubstep or "tumblr rap".

that's not particularly surprising. we like music when it affirms our values and aesthetics, dislike it when it doesn't. once we realize that our values and aesthetics are themselves open to question, it becomes very hard to say what's good or bad in any final sense. we're left only with "i like it" or "i don't", and that doesn't carry much weight beyond the circle of people who happen to share our point of view.

i can see exactly who might like this music and why. i can also see the vast gulf between that sensibility and my own. since i have no negative feelings toward planet teengirl as a culture, i don't hate this music. there are a few things about it that i appreciate, and a bunch that irritate me. mostly, though, i just see that it isn't for me.

or "tumblr rap".

this isnt actually a big popular movement like dubstep or emo tho. its critical circle jerk ish. kitty pryde isnt popular (yet)

you know what's crazy tho is there are like....teenage girls who are making good rap music and kitty pryde isn't one them

― The Reverend, Saturday, May 12, 2012 4:59 PM (10 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

i write about lots of teen artists. good ones, who make good songs.

― man down (D-40), Saturday, May 12, 2012 5:08 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

this strikes me as naive. you guys are just saying that there are teenage girls who make music that seems "good" according to your values, perhaps according to "established rap values" or w/e. that's fine, but it doesn't mean that other music can't be just as successful according to other standards.

i can see why intelligent people (especially teens, and perhaps especially teen girls) might view kitty pryde as "good" according to radically different criteria. i don't think that these other points of view are any less valid than that of rap experts - even when it comes to something that's ostensibly "rap music".

who am i to say my dog shouldn't eat his own poop? after all, he has radically different criteria than me.

this strikes me as naive. you guys are just saying that there are teenage girls who make music that seems "good" according to your values, perhaps according to "established rap values" or w/e. that's fine, but it doesn't mean that other music can't be just as successful according to other standards.

i can see why intelligent people (especially teens, and perhaps especially teen girls) might view kitty pryde as "good" according to radically different criteria. i don't think that these other points of view are any less valid than that of rap experts - even when it comes to something that's ostensibly "rap music".

― 10. “Pour Some Sugar On Me” – Tom Cruise (contenderizer), Saturday, May 12, 2012 7:15 PM (13 seconds ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

this is moronic bro. im just arguing that this mystical 'teenness' doesn't make them any more immune from critical analysis than any other style of music.

lol i should have just let V have that one

what did churchill say?

"if you're young and rockist you don't have a heart, if you're old and popist you don't have a brain"

i'm just kidding, obv there are old popists (who used to post on this board) who i respect

i just think its ironic, i used to argue for radical subjectivity too, then i met the lex

this isnt actually a big popular movement like dubstep or emo tho. its critical circle jerk ish. kitty pryde isnt popular (yet)

oh i know, that's why i put it in quotes. she does seem to be generating page hits and interest, and that's p much the contemporary version of popular. i think it's likely that more kids have watched her videos than adults/critics, and that more kids than adults genuinely like and relate to her music.

who am i to say my dog shouldn't eat his own poop? after all, he has radically different criteria than me.

― the late great, Saturday, May 12, 2012 5:16 PM (4 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

lol, but if you're inclined to view teen girl culture in terms of dogs eating their own poop, then maybe (just maybe) you're not really equipped to be critiquing this sort of music

"teen girl culture"

obviously sir you know nothing about the teenage girl, her likes and dislikes and particular listening habits.

anyway eating poop was more sort of a reference to reading yr posts

really digging this new poop mixtape

"teen girl culture"

well yeah. that's where this music is coming from, what it deal with, and what it seems made for: middle class, american, internet-addled teen culture (girl variety).

you know i actually know a couple hundred teenage girls and i doubt more than 25% of them would be into this mainly because it's not serious enough